This thread is for all out of character discussion of the King of the Romans PBM - a HRE M2TW game. Please post in this thread if you have any queries or are unsure where to post.
Other players please sign up and declare which House - Franconia (north), Swabia (west), Austria (east) or Bavaria (south) - you want to be an elector of. Note the Dukes of Franconia and Bavaria have not yet been spawned. You will be named Second Elector of X etc in the order in which you sign up in this thread. I will allocate settlements fairly equally across the Houses, so please do not all sign up for the same House. If the computer spawns many more avatars in a particular house, I may reassign players to Houses to avoid them waiting too long (subject to their consent).
Where to post:
All out of character discussion in this thread.
When the game starts, I will create more threads, so that:
All in character discussion in the Imperial Diet deliberations thread.
All in character stories in the stories thread.
Chancellor reports in the Chancellor reports thread.
All battle reports in the Battle reports thread.
RULES
How to play – in brief
All players are “electors”. They must choose a noble house to belong to - Franconia (north), Swabia (west), Austria (east) or Bavaria (south). Eventually all players will be represented by an in-game character (typically a general, but possibly spy, priest or diplomat - assassins may have too short a life expectancy to be advisable) or avatar who will represent them.
Typically, if a player’s avatar gets into a battle, the player is expected to download the savegame and fight the battle. Players may also be awarded a settlement to manage (making them a Count). They will decide what tax rate to charge and set a build queue (which must be followed if anything is built in their settlement).
Collectively, the nobles form the Imperial Diet. This has two functions - to elect a Chancellor and to set edicts. The Chancellor will be the “reigning player” and play the game. He will move all the generals, authorise any buildings from the build queues and train any units/agents.
”Edicts” are laws that mandate the Chancellor to specific action. Crucially, these include authorising declarations of war.
Game settings
*Patched MT2TW
*Hard campaigns, very hard battles.
*Large unit size.
*Battle timer on. Show CPU Moves, Manage all Settlements
Standard victory conditions (45 provinces, including Rome).
The only mod we will use initially is Medifix 1.2:
Medifix is really easy to install - you just extract two text files into your data folder and create a one line bat file in your main M2TW directory to run the game. The instructions are in the download.
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Inside your main M2TW directory, just create a text file called "whatever.bat" using notepad, wordpad or something. The file has just a single line:
medieval2.exe --io.file_first
Then create a shortcut to it and paste to your desktop (I changed the icon to be M2TW's); double click to run.
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If you follow the instructions for installing the mod, you end up with two icons - one runs normal M2TW; the other runs the bat file I mentioned above and so loads the two modified vices n virtues/traits files.
At a later stage, we may use a mod to handle the 2-handed weapon bug and give the Forlorn Hope 2 hitpoints, but those should be savegame compatible. And I'd rather CA fix that through a patch than we use a mod.
Hard restrictions on play: * only two land units (including a general) may travel on each ship.
How to play - detailed rules
1. The role of players.
1.1 Each player will roleplay an “elector” of the HRE. They must choose one of four noble houses to belong to. Players are born into a noble House. It is in their blood and cannot be changed. It is determined by which of the four lines on the family tree their avatar falls under (except for the three starter Generals, for whom it is determined by their initial geography). [Note - if avatars spawn disproportionately in certain Houses, Electors of one House may be offered an avatar of another, but then they effectively role-play a new character.]
1.2 Over time, all players will be assigned an avatar (typically a general) by econ21 to represent them. They should roleplay their traits.
1.3 Players whose avatars lead in a battle will be expected to fight that battle. This will involve downloading the savegame of the battle, playing it and then uploading the resulting savegame. Uploading the post-battle save must be done within 48 hours of the pre-battle savegame being uploaded. If the deadline expires, the battle is autoresolved.
1.4 Players whose avatars are Counts governors of the settlement for more than two turns are entitled to set the taxes and build queue of that settlement. If anything is built in the settlement, it must be the first item on the build queue.
1.5 Each elector will periodically vote to elect a Chancellor (reigning player) of the HRE and on edicts to direct him.
1.6 Players are encouraged to stand for the post of Chancellor.
1.7 Players are encouraged to write in-character stories in the stories thread; to discuss matters of state in the Imperial Diet deliberations thread; to write-up battle reports; to PM each other in character for role-playing etc. [Note: when posting screenshots, we could keep them full size but put them under spoiler tags.]
2. The role of the Chancellor.
2.1 The Chancellor is much like the player of a solo M2TW campaign - he moves all the units and agents on the map; he decides all the buildings and which units/agents to be trained.
2.2 However, he delegates battles to the player whose general leads the HRE force. And he follows the build queues and tax policies of players with governors.
2.3 He also must obey Imperial edicts and the constitution (these rules) or face political consequences.
2.4 The player is elected every 20 turns until it is judged the Empire is “large” (say, when it has 20 provinces), when reigns will switch to 10 turns.
2.5 The Chancellor must appoint army commanders and governors. He must maintain a list of who has what post and notify players if they are appointed or dismissed from a role.
2.6 Battles are only fought manually when commanded by a player controlled general who is an army commander. They are autoresolved in all other cases (e.g. captain-led armies).
3. The role of the Imperial Diet
3.1. The Imperial Diet will meet in session every 10 turns. Out of session, there can be open debate and deliberations. Each session lasts 3 days of real time.
3.2. At each session, nobles can propose edicts. These require two seconders to be put to the vote. Edicts are laws that direct what the Chancellor should do.
3.3. Any declaration of war must be authorised by an Imperial edict. The Chancellor or any Duke is empowered to declare war on a non-allied army entering its lands.
*3.4. The rules of the game can be changed by a Noble Charter Amendments (2/3 majority required) except those marked with a *.
3.5. Tied edicts fail. If contradictory edicts are passed, the one with the most votes takes priority.
3.6. Edicts can only last for 10 turns.
3.7. Every 20 turns (10 turns if the HRE is large), or on the death or impeachment of the Chancellor, there is an election for the post of Chancellor. Ties lead to a fresh ballot. A second tie is decided by seniority (avatar age). Voting is open for 2 days.
*3.8. The Chancellor can be impeached and removed from office by a 2/3 majority of the Imperial Diet.
3.9. The Imperial Diet is presided over by the character controlling the Emperor. His rulings are final. The Prince can preside in the absence of the Emperor. The Emperor can call an emergency session of the Imperial Diet - freeze the game - at will.
3.10 Influential players get bonus votes (max +5 bonus)
Appointed Influence (Max 3 points):
Duke: +2
Count: +1
Chancellor, ex-Chancellor, or Prince: +1
Stat Influence (Max 2 points):
15 or more total stat points: +1 (I thought about a lower number, but all avatars are given a base 3 piety and base 5 loyalty, which means those points are freebies. So, 15 is only 7 from actual traits, plus the 8 piety and loyalty freebies)
6 or more ranks in one stat: +1 (In the unlikely scenario where a character gets 6 or more in 2 stats without having 15 total, they get this +1 twice)
The player who is Emperor gets bonus votes differently, being equal to his authority.
4. The role of the four houses - Dukes and Counts
4.1 There will be four houses representing the four main branches of the family tree: Franconia (north), Swabia (west), Austria (east) or Bavaria (south). At the start of the game, Prince Henry is Duke of Swabia and Leopold is Duke of Austria. The Dukes of Franconia and Bavaria have not yet been spawned (they will be the two males who take positions under the Emperor in the family tree).
4.2 Bavaria and Franconia have no Duke yet, so there are Stewards to act in their place until them. Until there is a Duke, they receive the +2 influence of a Duke.
Charter Amendment 3.1: Stewards may bestow the rank of Count on nobles of their House. This Amendment does not give Stewards any other Ducal power, it does not give Stewards additional Influence, nor does it allow Stewards to be Counts themselves.
The Stewards themselves are not Counts. Like Otto in Innsbruck, they are just soldiers, self-made men of lesser station [think Denethor in Lord of the Rings]. They could be rewarded by being made a Count by their Duke when he spawns, though. And they could marry into the Royal line, potentially becoming the Duke themselves.
4.3 The Emperor controls the initial allocation of settlements (e.g. upon conquest). At the start of the game, we have:
Frankfurt - capital of Franconia, home of the Duke (TBC)
Stafen - capital of Swabia, home of the Duke (Prince Henry)
Nuremburg - capital of Bavaria, home of the Duke (TBC)
Innsbruck - second city of Bavaria
Vienna - capital of Austria, home of the Duke (Leopold)
Bologna - is not assigned to any house
4.4 Dukes can then grant a settlement to a player, making him Count of that settlement. The settlements remain nominally within the relevant Duchy. There are no Counts at the start of the game. Capitals of a House need no Counts and cannot be given to them - they belong to the Duke (or his Steward). The Emperor could allocate Bologna to a House at any time, but after that, it will permanently belong to that House. There is an expectation that Franconia will extend north, Swabia west, Bavaria south and Austria east but this should not be followed too rigidly - e.g. the Emperor does not have to give Bologna to Bavaria.
[Note: It is expected that settlements will not be gifted lightly by the Emperor and by Dukes/Stewards - they should be regarded as precious rewards. There is no particular value to settlements in themselves, however. Avatars will be assigned according to the family tree, so more settlements does not mean more family members in a House - nor does it raise influence (beyond the one-off +1 for being a Count). A player cannot be the Count of more than one settlement. Dukes can have more than one settlement not dispersed to counts (and given the ratio of settlements to generals in a game, this is inevitable), but this provides no particular benefits.]
4.5: Counts are governors of their settlements. Dukes govern settlements that are allocated to their Houses but not to a Count. The Emperor governs settlements that are not allocated to any House.
4.6 Counts who are not the natural sons of a Duke (e.g. adoptees and sons in law) may be lose their titles at the whim of the Duke. They are referred to as bonded Counts and are expected to act according to the wishes of their Duke. Natural sons of a Duke may not lose their settlements - they are referred to as freehold Counts.
4.7 Dukes and Counts should name a successor, who will take over their titles and settlements when they die. If no successor is named, the oldest natural son inherits, (if none, oldest adopted son; if none again, then the oldest son-in-law).
4.8 Dukes are expected to guide their families for the good for their Duchies. Members of a house do not have to follow their Dukes in terms of politics. However, the Duke can make players a Count by giving them a settlement (granting them +1 influence). Only the Duke of your House (not another Duke) can make you a Count. Houses will not be the only division in the Diet - chivalry, piety, strategy and other factors may also divide players.
5 The role of the Emperor and Prince
5.1 The Emperor presides over the Imperial Diet as in 3.9. He is the "chairman" of the HRE, as opposed to the Chancellor who is the "chief executive". He will keep order in the Diet and try to make things run smoothly.
5.2 Once in his reign, typically when crowned, the Emperor can automatically assume the post of Chancellor.
5.3 The Emperor can allocate settlements to one of the Four Houses.
5.4 The Emperor adjudicates on rules disputes.
5.5 The Prince succeeds the Emperor and can deputise in his absence.
5.6 Emperors do not belong to factions - if crowned, they leave their House and - if Duke - are replaced by their chosen successor. They are expected to act for the good of the Empire and be impartial, above petty regional politics.
5.7 The Emperor decides which player-controlled avatar, if any, a Princess should marry.
6. The role of posts - military commanders and governors
6.1 If a character governs a settlement for more than two turns, the Chancellor must officially appoint him “governor”. Counts set the tax rate and a (buildings, not unit) build queue for their settlements for 10 turns. If any building is built in the settlement, it must be on the build queue. Governors receive +1 civil influence for the duration of their appointment, or 10 turns, whichever is longer.
6.2 If the character leaves the settlement, the build queue remains valid until it expires (i.e. 10 turns after it was drafted). Taxes may be varied.
6.3 A Count has first refusal on governing their own settlement (no other governor may be appointed unless the Count declines to govern). The Chancellor may decline to appoint (or sack) the Count as governor, in which case the settlement can have no governor without the Count’s consent.
6.4 For field armies of seven or more units (including the general), the Chancellor must appoint an “army commander”. The army commander must be a “knight”. Army commanders are appointed for the duration of the Imperial Diet session (10 turn intervals). The post is expected to be rotating. Army commanders get a permanent +1 influence and can decide what to do with prisoners after battle. They can be dismissed by Chancellors, but must be informed of this.
6.5 Avatars who take part in battles may be promoted to “knights” by the army commander. Typically, this will involve the avatar’s bodyguard fighting honourably in a battle. The Emperor, Prince and four Dukes begin the game knighted.
6.6 An avatar who wins five major battles (each against 7+ enemy units) is promoted to Field Marshall. Field Marshalls have standing armies - no unit can be taken out of their stack without their consent. They cannot be dismissed by Chancellors, although their post ends after the second regular session of the Imperial Diet (ie lasts 20 turns maximum). After their post of office ends, they may be reappointed. Field Marshalls get a permanent +2 influence and can decide what to do with captured settlements (occupy, sack, exterminate).
7. Crusades and missions.
7.1 The Chancellor must endeavour to follow missions from the Pope and Council of Nobles, unless exempted by the Diet. Missions from guilds and foreign powers are optional.
7.2 Crusades must be authorised by the Diet, unless announced by another faction.
7.3 When a crusade is called, the Chancellor must ask all generals if they wish to join. He must include at least three volunteers who reply within 48 hours. If there are more than three, he must pick the three most pious. However, he can decline a volunteer if that would usurp his pick of army commander. If the AI calls a crusade, the Chancellor can choose to follow it, even if generals wish to join - but he must still notify them immediately of the call and get their view on whether they would like to join (were he to follow the call).
8. Historical armies
The following rules apply for field armies of 15+ or more units.
Generals - max 2 units
Knights - cavalry or foot, max 8 units inc. generals
[The class of knights is therefore: Dismtd Feudal knights; Dismtd Imperial knights; Dismtd Gothic knights; Mailed knights; Feudal knights; Imperial knights; Teutonic knights; General’s bodyguard; Gothic knights; plus any mercenary knights included those great dismounted knights you get in the Holy Land.)
Total cavalry - maximum 8 units, inc mounted knights and generals
[Non-knightly cavalry includes: Mounted crossbowmen ; Reiters; Merchant cavalry; Mounted sergeants]
Artillery - maximum 2 units (5 in a siege - if caught in a field battle immediately withdraw excess of over two)
Foot missiles - maximum 6 units including artillery
[Foot missiles include: Peasant archers; Peasant crossbowmen; Crossbow militia; Pavisse crossbowmen; Arquebusiers; Handgunners ]
Total elite heavy infantry - max 6
[Elite infantry comprises Zweihander; Forlorn Hope; Landsknechts; dismounted knights and equivalent mercs - e.g. Galllowglass?]
For armies of size 7-14, the above limits are halved.
No more than half an army can be mercenary. Crusader mercenaries (crusader sergeants, crusader knights, pilgrims, fanatics) can count as natives.
Here's the old german titles of nobility and our equivalents:
Political
Elector = Kurfurst
Count = Graf
Duke = Herzog
Prince = Prinz
Emperor = Kaiser
Military
Knight = Ritter
Field Marshal = Generalfeldmarshal
02-16-2007, 23:17
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
I'm getting all your screen shots Ignoramus, perhaps AG hasn't registered with ImageShack?
If you're interested AG check out the stickied How to Play a PBM at the top of the Throne Room, I found it very helpful when I started. (Lo that month ago :laugh4: ) It has links to ImageShack and other useful info.
02-16-2007, 23:43
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
I've made a post advertising for new recruits in the Citadel:
I've asked for any queries or interested people to post in this thread, so please make any newcomers welcome. Even if we just get one long stayer, like DDW in Wots PBM (who we recruited from the RTR forums), it will be worth it.
02-17-2007, 00:47
Ignoramus
Re: Out of character thread II
Ok, I'll keep an eye out.
And I am glad that we have the battle timer on.
02-17-2007, 09:15
Ituralde
Re: Out of character thread II
Finally, my first battle is approaching. :2thumbsup:
Could you upload a savegame of the current situation Ignoramus so that I can have a look whether Leopold would like to sally or whether he waits for reinforcements? It's just that he's brave and energetic so I can't imagine him cowering behind the walls, waiting. :beam:
Also, if I understood it correctly only one small stack is besieging Vienna and I wouldn't want it to merge with that other small stack roaming the countryside.
02-17-2007, 11:29
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Be careful. The strategic AI is improved in M2TW and stacks are often mutually supportive... Maybe we should have a spy to check things out before doing anything rash.
02-17-2007, 14:06
AussieGiant
Re: Out of character thread II
Things are going along at a nice clip here.
Great write up OverKnight.
I'm going to do a little reading as you mentioned. I can see all the other screen shots with out any problems. it's just one or two every now and then.
I think Ituralde is going to hand the Venitians a new set of lungs now he gets to fight!! :)
I'm still waiting for someone to lose.
02-17-2007, 14:29
Ituralde
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Be careful. The strategic AI is improved in M2TW and stacks are often mutually supportive... Maybe we should have a spy to check things out before doing anything rash.
I don't think I understand you there? :inquisitive:
If by mutually supportive you mean that the other small stack could help the other stack beseiging Vienna, then that's exactly what I would try to prevent, and the forces beseiging a city should be visible.
EDIT:
Ah.. my bad, thought the 1124 savegame was not the one were Vienna was besieged, so I didn't download it until now. Now I see what you mean econ21, as the two stacks are so close to each other they might as well have merged. Looks like Leopold has to sit this one out. Too bad all Archers are holed up in Prague, could really need some of them if the Venetians attack.
02-17-2007, 14:33
Dutch_guy
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
I've asked for any queries or interested people to post in this thread, so please make any newcomers welcome. Even if we just get one long stayer, like DDW in Wots PBM (who we recruited from the RTR forums), it will be worth it.
Does anyone know where DDW is, he was quite the participant in the WotS.
Haven't seen him post in a while now, does he even have M2TW ?
:balloon2:
02-17-2007, 16:09
lilirishman1986
Re: Out of character thread II
Hello i am intrested in joining the House of Bavaria if you are up for more players. Have been playing Total war since the times of the original Shogun and have been playing Medieval Total War 2 since game day. Hope to see you fellas around
02-17-2007, 16:27
TinCow
Re: Out of character thread II
You have chosen... wisely. Bavaria is the future! :2thumbsup:
Welcome to the game!
02-17-2007, 16:31
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
Yes Bavaria is the future! Econ21 handles assignments and checks in frequently I'm sure he'll comment soon.
Have a look around at the Library, Chancellor reports and Diet threads. They're a good way to get up to speed and gain a feeling for KotR. If you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread.
02-17-2007, 17:34
AussieGiant
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome lilirishman1986,
Don't let the Bavarian faction seduce you too much lilirishman1986 :beam:
Econ will keep your request in mind.
Please consider House Austria.
02-17-2007, 18:41
lilirishman1986
Re: Out of character thread II
lol im perfectly willing to go anywhere
02-17-2007, 19:14
AussieGiant
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilirishman1986
lol im perfectly willing to go anywhere
Good approach :2thumbsup:
We'll see what econ has to say about the situtation once he stops drinking lagers this afternoon in England somewhere :beam:
02-17-2007, 19:25
Ituralde
Re: Out of character thread II
As Duke of the House of Austria I would of course be pleased if you would come to join our ranks. TinCow's character is a madman at best. ~;)
But in the end the House of Bavaria is a little short-staffed too and I'm looking forward to every new player that wants to join our game. :2thumbsup:
02-17-2007, 19:37
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
Actually all the houses are evenly staffed at the moment with about two active players each, the exception is Swabia with three.
As for Mad Max, Otto has actually enjoyed serving with him. We all know Austria is a den of sister marrying drunkards :laugh4:.
02-18-2007, 00:51
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome, lilirishman1986 :2thumbsup: - I think it would be fine if joined any house; like Overknight said, they have roughly equal numbers of active players. Go with your gut - I'll sign you up as the 4th Elector of Bavaria unless I hear otherwise.
02-18-2007, 02:22
lilirishman1986
Re: Out of character thread II
haha than the 4th elector of Bavaria i will be. Also i noticed you all played using the Medifix 1.2 mod. I cant seem to download it from file planet. Could someone send that to me via email?
02-18-2007, 02:38
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
I just tried downloading it myself, it took a while for the save dialogue to load but it came up eventually and I downloaded succesfully. Perhaps you should give it another shot? FYI the file is in a .rar format and is named x6.
02-18-2007, 03:20
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilirishman1986
haha than the 4th elector of Bavaria i will be. Also i noticed you all played using the Medifix 1.2 mod. I cant seem to download it from file planet. Could someone send that to me via email?
Sorry, it seems I have a tendency to play... passionate... characters. At least you can't say Max isn't consistent.
02-18-2007, 03:43
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
Convincing as well as passionate, when Max first began his proto-protestant rumblings, the Diet was aghast. . .now you've got half of them with you. It's too bad Ivarr hasn't been around, I would have loved to see Peter Scherer's reaction.
Speaking of the Pope, does his army have zone of control or pathfinding issues? He seems to be zig zagging around northern Italy without ever returning to Rome. You'd think he'd be off to Tunis or something. . .it's a little freaky.
Edit: I just noticed Max's priest "friend" is now a Cardinal. :laugh4:
02-18-2007, 10:12
Ituralde
Re: Out of character thread II
TinCow don't take my remark wrong.
I love the character you've developed with Max and have to say that you're really playing him well. I strive for an equal amount of consistency in my play and I know how hard it is and you're really pulling it off well. Although I oppose Mandorf IC I would give my right arm to keep him in the game OOC. :yes:
Oh an congratulations lilirishmen1986! You've just joined the Dark Side! :laugh4:
02-18-2007, 10:22
AussieGiant
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome ilirishmen1986, may the Dark side of the force bring you all that you desire :beam:
02-18-2007, 14:12
TevashSzat
Re: Out of character thread II
Hmm...econ21 told me to come here to sign up so i guess i'll be the newest elector of the house of swabia
02-18-2007, 14:47
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Hi, welcome Xdeathfire. ~:wave: I'll sign you up as the 4th Elector of Swabia. I'm taking Grand Orso and Warluster off the playlist, as they have gone inactive (they are welcome to rejoin). Kagemusha is being bumped up to 3rd Elector of Swabia.
lilirishman1986 is now 4th Elector of Bavaria. We haven't heard from Ivarwolfsong in a while, but I am reluctant to take him off the list just yet as he did post some memorable pieces in character.
02-18-2007, 15:36
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
AG, I find your lack of faith. . .disturbing.
Welcome, Xdeathfire and lilirishmen1986, you've picked a good time to join.
Semi-seriously, we've hit a little bit of a pause. . .when are we going to get an update on the latest saves? I've got the bare bones facts in front of me but without context. I'm not sure what is canon yet and what isn't, if you know what I mean.
I apologize if I sound impatient, I'm engrossed in the story and I want to read the next chapter, it's a compliment. :2thumbsup: Sort of like waiting for "A Dance with Dragons" to come out.
Edit: Good story post Ituralde. I always wondered why towers seemed to have bowmen when the garrison had none.
02-18-2007, 16:07
AussieGiant
Great write up Ituralde!!
OverKnight...you're the only voice of reason I know in the Bavarian faction :beam:
I just wish IvarrWolfsong was here to balance out things. I'm sure the internal Bavarian struggle would be hugely entertaining if he was around. :2thumbsup:
I'm also a little surprised there is not a little more action on the weekends. But I suppose everyone has something to do.
Welcome Xdeathfire. You're going to enjoy this game I can tell you.
02-18-2007, 16:21
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
My originial plan with Otto was to have him be a brash young upstart, but that was overtaken by events and the actions of other characters. Plan B is to play him as a patriot with a pragmatic streak, no grandiose visions but also no interest in the niceties of war.
It's good that Bavaria is no longer a two man band, this will allow for some more variations.
02-18-2007, 16:22
Kagemusha
Re: Out of character thread II
Wellcome lilirishman1986 and Xdeathfire! The more the merrier,hope to see you guys in the Diet soon.:bow: Other then that,what are the bases for emergency call for a diet? Shouldnt a new war be a reason for emergency Diet? Im pretty sure that many of the electors would chance their positions on many issues and also we shouldnt just wait out for the Venetians to keep the iniative when we are waiting with our moves becouse of bureocracy.
02-18-2007, 16:44
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome lilirishman1986 and Xdeathfire! You'll have lots of fun here, and you seem to have picked the right houses for action, considering who we're fighting with.
OverKnight - I'm doing a battle report that might cause some deliberation in the Diet later today, that might help with the pause.
02-18-2007, 18:19
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Overknight
Semi-seriously, we've hit a little bit of a pause. . .when are we going to get an update on the latest saves?
I am inferring that Ignoramus does not have internet access over the weekends, so we will have to get used to pauses on Saturdays and Sundays. Things did happen very fast on Friday when he became Chancellor, though, so we can't complain.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Other then that,what are the bases for emergency call for a diet? Shouldnt a new war be a reason for emergency Diet?
We have not set out the basis for Emergency sessions. People have to make a case in character and see if the Emperor will buy it. I would not want to see many Emergency sessions - each Diet session is 3 days debate plus one of voting, so that really slows things down. And the Chancellor only rules for 10 turns anyway.
Personally, I think the grounds for an emergency session would be:
(a) when the Diet really is not happy with what the Chancellor is doing and wants to pass edicts to change that;
(b) when the Chancellor is really unsure what to do and wants to put it to the test via deliberation, votes etc.
In real life war would be a reason for an emergency diet, but in the game, I would only press for one if you think the Chancellor is not handling it well (or will not handle it well).
In the current situation, if we get a Papal excommunication warning about persisting to attack Milan, and the Chancellor feels obliged to persist in these attacks because of edict 3.8, then it does seem to be grounds for concerned Electors pushing for an Emergency Session. Whether GH would grant one, given he supported edict 3.8, is another matter.
I think this issue is probably best discussed in character.
02-18-2007, 19:07
Kagemusha
Re: Out of character thread II
Econ. Those are all good points and my proposal could result into almost continuos Diet sessions, but what im worried about is that we are heading into continuos streak of excommunications,when we start making decisions after 5 turns after the conflict has started. But then that seems already almost unevitable. I think it is just my personal liking of slow games that pushes me into more cautious direction.
If we look how many cities/castles we have already taken and the concensus of majority to take an agressive stand against the pope and not listening him, it will propably lead into situation that after 20-30 turns we will have absolute hegemonia in Europe,fighting on many fronts with non developed armies becouse our treasury is drained on our many armies fighting on several theatres, but that should atleast give us plenty of avatars and battles to fight soon.
02-18-2007, 19:35
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Econ. ...it will propably lead into situation that after 20-30 turns we will have absolute hegemonia in Europe...
Maybe, but maybe the whole thing will come crashing down upon our heads. :scared: Ignoramus already had a close escape in the Alps. For what it's worth, many of the players pushing for a hardline on the Pope were opposed to any sign of "rushing" in the Wots game, so I think they are being driven by role-playing considerations rather than a desire for a fast paced game.
As I said, let's fight this out in character - by all means, call for an Emergency Session and raise hell about it in the Diet. The tension between desires for a slow paced game and aggressive instincts was arguably the main source of in-character divisions and disagreements in the Wots
02-18-2007, 19:48
Kagemusha
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Maybe, but maybe the whole thing will come crashing down upon our heads. :scared: Ignoramus already had a close escape in the Alps. For what it's worth, many of the players pushing for a hardline on the Pope were opposed to any sign of "rushing" in the Wots game, so I think they are being driven by role-playing considerations rather than a desire for a fast paced game.
As I said, let's fight this out in character - by all means, call for an Emergency Session and raise hell about it in the Diet. The tension between desires for a slow paced game and aggressive instincts was arguably the main source of in-character divisions and disagreements in the Wots
Thanks for the advice.:bow: I think that my Swabian Elector character has to give out some of his wiews on the diet with sharp tone.:duel:
02-18-2007, 22:47
lilirishman1986
Re: Out of character thread II
Ah this little new elector would like to know the status of the Empire. I think what i have read so far indicates that The Empire is fighting a 2 front war with Milan and a new one with Venetians who have back stabbed the Empire. Currently the Pope is set against us yet not the Empire is not currently Excommunicated.
Anything else i miss?
02-18-2007, 23:06
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
If you own M2TW, you can download the most recent save and take a look.
Yup, we are at war with Milan, they attacked Bern in about 1118, which we had just seized from rebels. The Venetians just joined the party, betraying our alliance with them.
Our Pope-o-meter is at a 4 out of 10. Fortunately Milan's is at a 3. The Pope is not hostile to us, he's just wandering around our lands with a huge army. During the last Diet session there was much discussion about taking Rome and deposing the Pope, most of those edicts failed, but there's still a lot of free floating anti-Papal sentiment.
The War with Milan is going well, Milan and Genoa are ours, and Dijon is about to be besieged. These battles however have left our troops in northern Italy worn down, and there is a Milanese army in the Savoy pass that could counter-attack. Vienna is under siege by the Venetians as well, that was the act that broke the alliance. Venice could also strike at our new and old possessions in Italy.
Edit: The way we've been playing we don't turn fog of war off when viewing saves and unless you're the chancellor don't play forward from them, or at least don't mention the results. Consider the saves scouting reports and such.
02-19-2007, 00:44
lilirishman1986
Re: Out of character thread II
2nd quick question now that i am the fourth elector within the great house Bavaria may i take the floor within the Diet?
02-19-2007, 00:51
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
Please do take the floor, players without current avatars are encouraged to participate in all activities, speaking in the Diet, proposing edicts when the Diet is in session and plotting with fellow house members or associates in other houses. Just because you can't fight battles yet doesn't mean you can't have some fun.
If you've already read up on the Diet, followed the thread and such, feel free to speak there. AussieGiant is a good example of a player who, even though he doesn't have an avatar yet, has made his presence known.
Feel free to PM other players in character as well.
02-19-2007, 01:56
Bizzair
Re: Out of character thread II
Hey ladies! ;)
I am sorry I realized I started a new thread. If someone could add me to xfire: blairgray0410
I am happily willing to join, and will make a commitment if someone can please! help me as I am a pc noob, and seem slow when it comes to things like this :shame:
02-19-2007, 02:10
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
Hey Bizzair, welcome aboard. Econ21 is quite active and should be around to help you at some point. If you're new to forums, click on the FAQ button on top of the control bar, gray bar at top, to get started. If you're just new to PBMs in general click on the How to Play PBM thread stickied to the top of the Throne Room.
If you want to find out about the KotR PBM I'd start by clicking on the KotR Library thread which is also stickied to the top. There are other threads as well that have a KotR prefix. This OOC thread also has the FAQ for KotR at the beginning. Hope that's enough to get you started. :2thumbsup:
02-19-2007, 03:05
Bizzair
Re: Out of character thread II
Thank you, so I shoukd ignore all the threads without KotR in the name? I am heading off to work tommorow morning but when I get home I will read up on this, also please if you have xfire or msn do add me:
I'm glad you'd like to join in our game and I could offer you the most attractive post of Third Elector of Austria. :beam:
You would fit right in, seeing as the House of Austria has become something of a noob assembly, where no member has participated in the predecessor of this game WotS, but we're getting along well and could really use that third active player. :2thumbsup:
Once I'm home I'm gonna add you to my msn and if you have any questions after reading those mentioned threads, or anything else remains unclear, just go ahead and aks!
Cheers!
Ituralde
02-19-2007, 10:00
Ignoramus
Re: Out of character thread II
I'm sorry about the delay; the coumputer I use needs to have Windows reinstalled. I should be able to continue tomorrow.
Bizzair: Welcome to the game. I suggest you read some of the Imperial Diet deliberations to get a good feel and grip of the game.
02-19-2007, 11:02
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizzair
I am happily willing to join, and will make a commitment if someone can please!
Hi, Bizzair, welcome. ~:wave: You should start off by picking a House to belong to and posting your choice here. You can see the list of Houses and players in the table in the first post here:
Austria, and Franconia, are particularly in need of new members.
Then you should get up to date on what's been happening. I recommend reading the later reports in the above thread to learn about our war with Milan and now Venice. You can get a first hand info from the savegame:
A current focus of debate is how to square the risk of excommunication with the desire to prosecute the war with Milan.
02-19-2007, 12:17
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Ignoramus - please clear you PM box so you can receive new messages.
02-19-2007, 13:58
Bizzair
Re: Out of character thread II
Alrite, sounds great! I read Austrias the east, I would love to be part of Austria! I'm at work right now, about to head on out for lunch... mmm McDonalds ;)
Anyway.. when I get home I am sure I'll find some nooby questions to ask..
But I have one main one, what are the names of the threads I should read, as I see ones with MTW2 and RTW and KotR and PBM at the front. Whichs ones should I stick to to find out about everything in this game. I will read the sticky on how to play when I get home!
Thanks! :idea2:
02-19-2007, 14:28
Dutch_guy
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizzair
Alrite, sounds great! I read Austrias the east, I would love to be part of Austria! I'm at work right now, about to head on out for lunch... mmm McDonalds ;)
Anyway.. when I get home I am sure I'll find some nooby questions to ask..
But I have one main one, what are the names of the threads I should read, as I see ones with MTW2 and RTW and KotR and PBM at the front. Whichs ones should I stick to to find out about everything in this game. I will read the sticky on how to play when I get home!
Bizzair - yes, the relevant threads are those with Kotr in front; you can ignore the others. I'll sign you up as the Third Elector of Austria. :bow:
02-19-2007, 15:00
AussieGiant
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizzair
Alrite, sounds great! I read Austrias the east, I would love to be part of Austria! I'm at work right now, about to head on out for lunch... mmm McDonalds ;)
Welcome to House Austria Bizzair!! Which time zone are you in?
02-19-2007, 16:05
Jalf
Re: Out of character thread II
Ooh ooh, sounds like fun! Sign me up! I'd prefer to join Franconia or Swabia, but I'm not too picky... :)
And now, I guess I've got some reading to do, catch up on a bunch of threads... Everything KoTR, you say? :)
02-19-2007, 16:09
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome aboard! Feel free to post any questions you have in this thread.
02-19-2007, 16:40
Ituralde
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome Bizzair to the most noble House of Austria.
As you can see from the Diet thread lilirishmen1986 is already continuing the fine tradition of Austrian-Bavarian animosity. Too bad Leopold's not available in the Diet right now!
Also you should consider that it really isn't in Leopolds capability which units are built or what he does. Those are to a large part up to the Chancellor. :yes:
02-19-2007, 16:48
AussieGiant
Re: Out of character thread II
Hey Ituralde, how long can Vienna last under seige?
You are in no position to attack so the Chancellor has to do something.
02-19-2007, 17:04
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jalf
Ooh ooh, sounds like fun! Sign me up! I'd prefer to join Franconia or Swabia, but I'm not too picky... :)
Welcome, Jalf. :2thumbsup: I'll sign you up as the 5th Elector of Franconia.
02-19-2007, 17:55
lilirishman1986
Re: Out of character thread II
oh i know the Leopold cant control troop types but i gotta start off the rivalry somehow lol.
02-19-2007, 18:00
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
Start it? You're just adding fuel to an already raging inferno. :laugh4:
I'm kidding mostly, the most recent debate over overthrowing the Pope has cut across House lines actually.
02-19-2007, 18:55
Ituralde
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilirishman1986
oh i know the Leopold cant control troop types but i gotta start off the rivalry somehow lol.
Hehe... if Leopold wasn't holed up in Vienna he'd be shredding you to cinders... verbally of course. :2thumbsup:
Vienna can hold out long enough I think. Currently I would even favour a sally again, because I thought about the situation and a sally would give the opportunity to attack each of the two stacks seperately if you're fast enough. Otherwise they would combine and I already fear what might happen if they combine and attack the depleted Militia. Either way I'm gonna loose some Militia, but should probably manage to win if I don't loose Leopold. :beam:
02-19-2007, 19:42
OverKnight
Re: Out of character thread II
Kagemusha, I'd love to take out Venice, but as I mentioned a few days ago, I'm going on vacation (I'm heading to the airport in a few hours). I'll have internet access, so I can participate online, but I won't have my computer with me, so no battles.
If I can't play a battle, any battle Otto leads, like Milan is besieged for example, will be auto-calced. Heinrich and Otto are the only avatars in Italy at the moment, and I'll be away and the Kaiser's bodyguard unit is wrecked. I don't want to disrupt the campaign by my absence so all this was partly why Otto was calling for more avatars to be sent to Italy.
Believe me, if there was some way of bringing the game with me I would. But it's 15 degrees Fahrenheit out here and I need to go someplace warm. I'll be back and battle ready Friday evening (EST).
02-19-2007, 19:51
Kagemusha
Re: Out of character thread II
I understand completely. I hope you will have great vacation m8!:2thumbsup: In character i tend to be very gloomy about the situation,in reality i dont think we are not in world of hurt yet. Ituralde could sally out and crush the Venetians in Astria since the Venetians are in two separate armies. Im just little worried about the Venetian army coming from the Adriatic cost towards Northern Italy.But with two turns before it reaches Northern Italy we should have more troops in hand and also GH´s bodyguard unit in better shape.:yes:
02-19-2007, 21:44
Ignoramus
Re: Out of character thread II
GH, where's your report of the assault on Genoa? It sounds as if it's very interesting.
02-19-2007, 21:49
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Out of character thread II
I have the screenshots and everything, I just lack the time to write it.
Hopefully I can find the time to do it tonight (GMT-5) but if not, then definitely tomorrow. I wish to do it justice.
02-19-2007, 22:23
Warluster
Re: Out of character thread II
AM I still part of this?
02-19-2007, 22:26
Dutch_guy
Re: Out of character thread II
I daresay that's up to you, would you like to ?
:balloon2:
02-19-2007, 22:27
Warluster
Re: Out of character thread II
Ya!
But I am not mentioned on the people who are playing list???
02-19-2007, 23:00
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Hi Warluster, you'd missed two voting sessions and not spoken during the relevant period so I took you off the playlist as being inactive; you're back on it now. I know it's a pain waiting for avatars, but they will come. The best way to ration them out is probably to give them to the avatar-less players who are most active.
02-19-2007, 23:22
Verdizzy
Re: Out of character thread II
This looks like a very interesting game. I'd love to join in if it's not too late. Can anyone bring me up to speed on what I need to do to join in?
Thanks!
02-20-2007, 00:09
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome Verdizzy, Jalf, Bizzair, and anyone else I missed!
The first post in this thread should tell you a lot. To get up to speed on what's currently happening, I suggest you read the Chancellor Reports Thread as well as the Imperial Library (stickied). Once you know what you're doing, feel free to post in-character in the Imperial Diet deliberations. :yes:
02-20-2007, 01:18
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome, Verdizzy - all you need to do is pick a House and post your choice here. You'd be made an Elector of that House, with full rights to vote and pontificate in the Diet; in due course, you'll be given an avatar (general).
I recommend reading up some of the more recent Chancellor's reports and Diet deliberations, posting in character when you feel comfortable doing so.
02-20-2007, 01:44
Bizzair
Re: Out of character thread II
Alrite, I am home!
Time to read every thread that has KotR at the front ;)
02-20-2007, 01:52
Bizzair
Re: Out of character thread II
Okay.. I have read.
I am still kinda of confused as to where I start. Will I have my own character in the Imperial Library, and will my name be listed with my own general.
And where do I start, just get right in with negotiating new Laws etc. Not much I can do is there but do that for now.
02-20-2007, 02:52
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Out of character thread II
Thanks to Tamur's tireless efforts, we now have M2TW avatars available to use. Do we want to do the same thing as Will of the Senate and pick the avatars that correspond with our character?
02-20-2007, 02:59
Verdizzy
Re: Out of character thread II
Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Welcome, Verdizzy - all you need to do is pick a House and post your choice here. You'd be made an Elector of that House, with full rights to vote and pontificate in the Diet; in due course, you'll be given an avatar (general).
I recommend reading up some of the more recent Chancellor's reports and Diet deliberations, posting in character when you feel comfortable doing so.
I'd like to join the House of Austria.
02-20-2007, 03:07
Bizzair
Re: Out of character thread II
Alrite, I am stil lvery confused as to where to start. I am kinda clueless as to what has happened in the past, and where I go abouts first
for ex. To start laws etc and debate. What do I refer to myself as, and what are my powers/responsibilities/tasks? :help:
02-20-2007, 03:59
Jalf
Re: Out of character thread II
Is there a single place to always find the most recent savegame? (I'm guessing http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Up.../pbmupload.php, but would be nice to be sure I'm not wasting my time looking at obsolete campaign maps... ;))
02-20-2007, 04:40
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Out of character thread II
Bizzair - In time, you'll get your own avatar. But right now there's a wait. Right now, the Diet isn't in session (that is, we don't get to propose edicts) but we do get to comment on what's currently going on (war with Milan and Venice).
Jalf - The latest savegame, the list of which can be found via the "View Upload Directory" link on that page, is kotr1124-2.zip.
02-20-2007, 09:13
econ21
Re: Out of character thread II
Everyone can see the new recruits and their names (e.g. Verdizzy is now the 4th Elector of Austria etc) in the updated table here:
Ignoramus: what's the status with your computer woes and indeed of the campaign? We can't afford a substantial pause in the game for technical reasons at this stage in the campaign. Please let us know when you can resume playing; if it is too long to wait, we may have to think about alternative arrangements.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Thanks to Tamur's tireless efforts, we now have M2TW avatars available to use. Do we want to do the same thing as Will of the Senate and pick the avatars that correspond with our character?
I have to stick to my robes but yes, people with generals can now use their portraits as their Org avatars.
02-20-2007, 11:20
Ignoramus
Re: Out of character thread II
I'm back. I have just started again. Get ready for some shocks, mein electors.
02-20-2007, 11:59
Ituralde
Re: Out of character thread II
Welcome to the House of Austria Verdizzy!
You have chosen well! :beam:
I'm also looking forward to the reports of GH and Ignoramus. Seems like we're in on something here. The game's progressing nicely I'd say! :2thumbsup:
