That's Gratitude for you.

The Laws of Irony
In February, two anti-whaling activists (one from Australia, one from Los Angeles), intending to attack a Japanese whaling ship near Antarctica with a bottle of acid and a smoke bomb, got lost in the fog in their small dinghy and were rescued with the help of several boats, including the whaler. However, as soon as the activists were safe, one thanked the Japanese crew but said, "I guess we're back on schedule, and we'll be pursuing you again." Shortly after that, the activists approached the whaler and tossed the acid onto the deck, injuring two crew members. [Philadelphia Inquirer-AP, 2-11-07]

Hmmmmm, what pisses me of more, militant biojugend or whalers, tough one. Can't we just sink them both?

I agree with Fragony!

Which is a shock.

Also:

Spam.

Not news needs pruning.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Can't we just sink them both?

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I can tell you how to sink that Greenpeace ship... :curtain:



*checks to make sure Papewaio isn't around https://img211.imageshack.us/img211/...karoundxt3.gif*

MUHA so that is actually true, you don't make it easier you know, now I have to chose between the biojugend, the whalers and the french.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

MUHA so that is actually true, you don't make it easier you know, now I have to chose between the biojugend, the whalers and the french.

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Thats easy, just tell the French you are going to sink them and they'll cooperate and sink themselves. The whalers are just trying to make a living so leave them alone. The biojugend are just haters of mankind, so they'll eventually look in the mirror and sink themselves as well.

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Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington

I can tell you how to sink that Greenpeace ship... :curtain:

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Let's not flatter ourselves, shall we? Frenchmen don't know how to sink ships, they plant bombs at low tide and pray that the fuses are waterproof.

I still wonder what those two imbeciles though they were doing when they bombed that ship in Auckland harbour. The French Defense minister had to resign, blondie spent two years in the clink and France had to pay $7 million in compensation which was used to finance a brand spanking new Rainbow Warrior. Mission accomplie! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by ShadeHonestus

The whalers are just trying to make a living so leave them alone.

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I think they get a lot of unfair criticism, if they over-fish Whales they'l bring their own downfall anyway...

i dont much like animal activists - they take away from a lot of the good work that the majority of good animal rights people do...

as for the French and boat sinking.... let's not go there.... :surrender2:

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Originally Posted by Scurvy

as for the French and boat sinking.... let's not go there.... :surrender2:

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~:mad Say what!? ~:mad :furious3:


Tell you what! Why don't you send the Royal Navy over here and we'll, err, we will erm...just like we did in...we...uh






Bugger. Never mind. :shame:

Hilarious, Luigi.

Note to self - let any stranded 'sea shepards' di...- live out their lives without interference by modern human machinations.

Crazed Rabbit

Does anyone want to post about the Greenpeace ship offering to help in saving the whalers?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wwhale116.xml

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Efforts continued today to save a disabled Japanese whaling ship which caught fire off the Antarctic coast, after an offer of help by the environmental group Greenpeace was rejected.

Anti-whaling ship and Nisshin Maru - Greenpeace offer to save stricken whaler
Activists' ship and Nisshin Maru, pictured earlier this month

Japanese officials said the 8,000-ton Nisshin Maru - left without engine power and carrying hundreds of thousands of litres of oil - posed no environmental threat.

Other ships from the whaling fleet have been helping to stabilise the ship and fight the blaze, which broke out yesterday and has left a crewman missing, presumed dead.

Greenpeace had said it was willing to send its ship the Esperanza - in the Southern Ocean to try to stop the whale hunt - to help.

The expedition's leader, Karli Thomas, said: "Our first thoughts are for the missing crewman and the rest of the people on board. This is not a time to play politics."
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But Glenn Inwood, a spokesman for the Institute of Cetacean Research which runs Japan's whaling programme, told the Associated Press news agency: "The whole Greenpeace offer is a red herring. Their assistance is not required and will not be accepted."

A spokesman for the Japanese fisheries agency said Greenpeace had not been in touch, though the Nisshin Maru might have refused help because the ship was boarded by Greenpeace activists in New Caledonia in 1998.

The Nisshin Maru has been lashed between two other ships to stop it drifting ice while crew members fight to contain the fire below deck.

A spokesman for New Zealand's maritime agency told Reuters reporters that fears of an oil or chemical spillwere had eased after the crew managed to pump away excess water and correct the list to the ship.

It is not yet known whether the vessel will be able to restart its engines. It has been wallowing without power, less than 100 miles from the world's largest Adelie penguin colony, in an area known for stormy weather.

Anti-whaling activists have not been linked with the fire, which could put an end to the whaling season if the ship remains inoperable.

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Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/1003833

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Feb 25, 2007

Japanese whale processing ship, the Nisshin Maru, is steaming north out of Antarctic waters under its own power.

The vessel successfully restarted its engines on Sunday morning, after repairs to wiring caused by a fatal fire.

A spokesman for the Japanese whaling industry says restoring power was always likely and that Greenpeace and the Conservation Minister hyped up the environmental risk to gain media exposure.

"I am delighted the Japanese have got the ship going. It's been dead in the water for almost two weeks and the Japanese have been extraordinary lucky with the weather," Chris Carter says.

The ship caught fire 10 days ago, claiming the life of a crewman.

Listing badly, it was then lashed to other Japanese boats while repairs were carried out.

A spokesman for the whalers says fears of an environmental disaster have been exaggerated.

"It certainly wasn't helpful, claims that toxins were going to leak and there was going to be some huge environmental disaster," Glenn Inwood of the Institute for Cetacean Research says.

But with 1,100 tonnes of fuel onboard in a hostile environment the government says its fears were grounded.

"The Japanese naturally want to play down the incident - they are acutely embarrassed by what happened. There could have been a real disaster. As it is they lost a seaman, they could have lost a lot more if the weather hadn't have stayed so good for so long," Carter says.

The Japanese say the situation was well under control last week and Greenpeace's repeated offer of a tow was irrelevant.

But those aboard the Espernaza now following the whaling fleet out of the area disagree.

"While she was in distress and while she was disabled in the Ross Sea, we didn't consider her a whaling vessel, we considered her a vessel that we could possibly assist and offered to do so," Karli Thomas says.

Greenpeace's Melanie Duchen says the Esperanza is about 10 kilometres behind the Japanese fleet.

She says they will bid farewell to the whaling fleet at the border of the sanctuary, hopefully for the last time.

Duchen says Greenpeace will give the Japanese any assistance needed to get them out of the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary. She says it is likely the fleet will find the trip tough going and was surprised the Nisshin Maru could even start its engines, although a statement from the Japanese says crew members worked around the clock to get the vessel repaired.

It is acknowledged by both sides that coming out of Japan conflicted with that from New Zealand. Now the Japanese say the Nisshin Maru will conduct further tests in open ocean to decided whether to head home or not.

Carter says he spoke with the Japanese Ambassador last week on the matter and was told the fleet would not resume whaling. He says he can only accept the ambassador's word.

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Actions - like throwing acid at people - speak louder than publicity seeking words.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Scurvy

as for the French and boat sinking.... let's not go there.... :surrender2:

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I was going to say, if the French don't know how to sink a ship, they know their British friends will always be willing to help.

But I thought it would be in bad taste.

Also the pirates are all from Sea Shepherd, a rather militant eco-terrorist group...not Greenpeace.

An important point. I shall amend my earlier note to myself.

EDIT: The Sea Shepard site brags about lobbing the 'nontoxic' acid onboard: http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_070208_2.html

Of course, science seems to think it's harmful: Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Corrosive. Extremely unpleasant smell may cause nausea. Liquid may burn skin and eyes. Readily absorbed through the skin. Severe skin, eye and respiratory irritant. - http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/BU/butyric_acid.html

CR

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Does anyone want to post about the Greenpeace ship offering to help in saving the whalers?

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Greenpeace's next crusade is to save the red herring...

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The Laws of Irony
In February, two anti-whaling activists (one from Australia, one from Los Angeles), intending to attack a Japanese whaling ship near Antarctica with a bottle of acid and a smoke bomb, got lost in the fog in their small dinghy and were rescued with the help of several boats, including the whaler. However, as soon as the activists were safe, one thanked the Japanese crew but said, "I guess we're back on schedule, and we'll be pursuing you again." Shortly after that, the activists approached the whaler and tossed the acid onto the deck, injuring two crew members. [Philadelphia Inquirer-AP, 2-11-07]

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Hmmmm... :holmes:
A-ha! I knew it, Watson! This is what's been eating at me for the last few days: even though he denies his involvement in this business, I have reasons to believe he is not as innocent as he tries to appear... after all, his name IS Fisherking...:fishing:

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Of course, science seems to think it's harmful: Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Corrosive. Extremely unpleasant smell may cause nausea. Liquid may burn skin and eyes. Readily absorbed through the skin. Severe skin, eye and respiratory irritant. - http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/BU/butyric_acid.html

CR

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That's concentration dependent, you won't need that high concentration to cause the stench (although admittably I have no idea of the concentration they used).

They're still whackos though.

I don't like Greenpeace. I can understand several of their concerns but I don't believe that breaking the law, is a good way to remedy the situation.

I remember reading something about how an Australian warship was pulling out of Sydney harbour and they put a rope at the exit of the harbour between two boats then some members climbed aboard the ship!

To me climbing aboard a warship that is bound for conflict shouldn't be allowed. I have no idea what happened to them because I read it in a Greenpeace book I found at our school library (my friends and I read it for a laugh). To me ramming their ships into other ships to make the other ships have to go back for repairs should class as terrorism.

But hey, maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong angle. What about the people who they would rather have die than receive treatment using cells created in various animals. Isn't a human life more important than that of a farm animal? Not that I think we should just let a species die out but we need to be realistic. What is the point of letting a 12 year old kid die so that a cow can live? Sure, one happy cow but one devastated family.

:shame:

I don't like Greenpeace. And I was disgusted that they glorified MADGE in that book when that group is nothing but misguided, misinformed and criminally unsympathetic.

The issues are complex and to me it was more a matter of those people attacking those who had just possibly saved their lives.

I think they are both wrong, the environmentalists for their tactics and the Japanese for going after the whales. The whale meat is a luxury item and not an essential food item. Whale populations are still in some danger and continuing to exploit them would to me seem wrong.

My fascination with the story is more into its insights into mans own lack of caring for its fellow man…

Men, ecological terrorism is good terrorism.....as long as innocents aren't hurt. The problem is that recources are rapidly consumed and security mesures get more and more paranoid.......some people go berserk and act foolishly....too foolishly to me.
This is about the Code of Honour.....and if someone breaks the Code of Honour he is accountable for any of his actions.

Eco-terrorism is just terrorism. How these animal-rights idiots get away with putting petrol through people's doors and stuff is a mystery, especially as the security services seem so keen to arrest random innocents left right and centre.

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Originally Posted by Cronos Impera

Men, ecological terrorism is good terrorism.....as long as innocents aren't hurt. The problem is that recources are rapidly consumed and security mesures get more and more paranoid.......some people go berserk and act foolishly....too foolishly to me.
This is about the Code of Honour.....and if someone breaks the Code of Honour he is accountable for any of his actions.

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So spiking trees is good terrorism? How about throwing acid on people? How about burning a lot full of SUV's?

Your statement is borderline on advocating allowing others to hurt others because of a desire to protect the ecological balance. Where does ecological terrorism equate to good terrorism, if it by its function destroys property, life or limb?

I see nothing good about the use of Terror… There is nothing Honourable in the use of fear to compel others to your ways. You have not done anything but intimidate and terrify the weak and powerless and making victims of others.

Honour is Dignity and there is no honour in covert acts of terror.

I think what you meant was that these people had no Honour for what they did…and I agree.

But the idea of terrorising the public to promote a view, a cause or what ever, to me is a cowardly act.

Terrorism is not the same as guerrilla warfare. It targets the helpless and not government forces. Resorting to violence is a sign of intellectual weakness. There are much more effective ways to get the point across without harming others.

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Men, ecological terrorism is good terrorism......

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there is no such thing as good terrorism, a terrorist acting because of animal rights is every bit as bad as any other terrorist.

:2thumbsup:

Except for trans-fat terrorists...those guys are waging a war for all of us...


or something

i would say that the word "terrorists" is a label put on these people by the governments and companies invovled. beware of spin.

i would say for the most part greenpeace tries to do a hard job in a good if only slightly mis-guided way. they are activist not terrorist.
The sea shepard group, are violent activist, not terrorist. i do agree that whaling is bad needs to be stop. i don't agree that injuring the life of workers. but for the most part i thought they try to get inbetween the whales and the ships.

in a situation where both sides are wrong, who is right?

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in a situation where both sides are wrong, who is right?

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The ones who errs on the side of mankind and not flipper.

The one the errs on the side of mankind and not economics...

So it wouldn't be the Sea Shepard, would it Pape, as they are the ones throwing acid at other humans, and their goal has nothing to do with helping mankind.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Also the pirates are all from Sea Shepherd, a rather militant eco-terrorist group...not Greenpeace.

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AArrgghh, 'ang them scurvy dogs from the yardarm and whip'em with a cat 'o ninetails, aarrgghh.:pirate2: :captain: :pirate2:

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I see nothing good about the use of Terror… There is nothing Honourable in the use of fear to compel others to your ways. You have not done anything but intimidate and terrify the weak and powerless and making victims of others.

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Tell that to our governments, the US and UK. A dove can't crap within 20 miles of London without being watched my at least 30 cameras. Drive over the speed limit and you *automatically* get a ticket! And I thought America was really bad when it comes to privacy invasion. Fearmongering by politicians has reached new levels of insanity since 9/11, and the worst part is the uneducated masses buy it.

The one that errs on the side of economics and not "pretty power."

Oh Whacker, did someone put you up to that? Don't get me started on the evils and abuses of governments. I'll have to save that for another thread.

In a fallow on story I saw one of the Ships is named the Farley Moatt. I wonder if he gave permission for his name to be used? Of course I suppose there could be two of them….

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I wonder if they think twice next time before rescuing lost activists.

Men, think about it. Resources are limited and needs unlimited. At some point all available resources get consumed and humanity dissapears along with life itself and this whole world becomes one concrete grave. And think again.......democracy has liberalised the acces to all natural resources and extensive economic growth is....well a time-bomb. Soon this bomb will explode and humanity gets pluged in the Stone Age again. Just remember the Great Crash......think about a new financial crash.......a crash that will affect the entire planet.Well, this is the consequence of the baby-boom, a dwingling food supply.
Economic discipline and rationalising must be imposed now, by violence if necesary.....but in a humanitarian and honourable way, not by throwing acid bottles......
Its inevitable, our grand-grandchildren might be the last generation to walk this Earth. Is that right? No.....

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Originally Posted by Cronos Impera

Economic discipline and rationalising must be imposed now, by violence if necesary.....but in a humanitarian and honourable way, not by throwing acid bottles......

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Funny viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by Beren Son Of Barahi

i would say that the word "terrorists" is a label put on these people by the governments and companies invovled. beware of spin.

i would say for the most part greenpeace tries to do a hard job in a good if only slightly mis-guided way. they are activist not terrorist.
The sea shepard group, are violent activist, not terrorist. i do agree that whaling is bad needs to be stop. i don't agree that injuring the life of workers. but for the most part i thought they try to get inbetween the whales and the ships.

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I couldn't agree more. This incident was poor show on behalf of the activists. But in general, they are doing an excellent job.

And all kidding aside, terrorism is a term I would reserve for blowing up ships and killing activists. The activists are the watchdogs of the environmental cause, on the whole doing a good job. In drawing attention to sinister acts like blowing up atolls to show your nuclear prowess, or speciescide under the guise of scientific research.


http://www.bilderberg.org/lookat.jpg

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Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington

I couldn't agree more. This incident was poor show on behalf of the activists. But in general, they are doing an excellent job.

And all kidding aside, terrorism is a term I would reserve for blowing up ships and killing activists. The activists are the watchdogs of the environmental cause, on the whole doing a good job. In drawing attention to sinister acts like blowing up atolls to show your nuclear prowess, or speciescide under the guise of scientific research.


http://www.bilderberg.org/lookat.jpg

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exactly, think of all the international events or problems that have happened that we wouldn't know about if it wasn't for those crazy lil buggers.... they do a great job of caring for the planet, something we all should be doing.

btw that picture is hilarious.

I'll stop eating tuna when they accidentally start catching humans in their nets.

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I'll stop eating tuna when they accidentally start catching humans in their nets.

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Cannibals everywhere take offense to that statement.

Some sushi does sound excellent right about now though... Wonder if they have whale sushi? :grin: "Yes I'd like a Beluga Roll and a Flipper Roll please."

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I'll stop eating tuna when they accidentally start catching humans in their nets.

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I'll stop eating sausage when...!

Sorry. Couldn't resist. :2thumbsup:

And no, I am not a vegetarian.

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So it wouldn't be the Sea Shepard, would it Pape, as they are the ones throwing acid at other humans, and their goal has nothing to do with helping mankind.

Crazed Rabbit

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Humans do not exist alone. As such both sides are in the wrong.

One for attacking humans with acid bombs and ramming ships.

The other side for wonton destruction of a part of our eco-system which has no reason to be destroyed other then for petty political and monetary gains...as there are other methods of sustenance that exist that are far cheaper and less damaging to gather.

Poetic justice would be the Kraken eating the entire crew of both sets of ships. Later on it is determined that the Kraken is the result of radiation leaking from Mururoa atoll...