Easter Unit Preview

Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans.


Easter is upon us, so we thought we'd beat the Easter Bunny this year when it comes to presents with a unit preview. The following units will be in the next build, which we are working on at a steady pace.
And oh...we've also selected five new additional factions for EB2 :grin:
Expect the Occultus sig images to return in the future.

And now...the units. Remember that the names are not final and just WIP for some units.

And a happy Easter!!


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Spahbade Pahlavaning (Early Parthian bodyguards) by stefan

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Casse - Celtic Axemen by stefan

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Oksywie Culture Swordsman by stefan

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Koinon Hellenon - Epilektoi Hoplitai by rob

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Royal Numidian Cavalryman by rob

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Hayasdan - Kardakâ Arteshtâr (Persian Hoplite) by antiochus epiphanes & stefan

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Arverni - Kluddacorii by stefan

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Raetic Phalanx -stefan




And some Easter bonus goodies:

New faction icons:

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We hope you have enjoyed this preview.

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Those units are awsome.

1st icon=western numidia? (only faction on the current map that would use elephants)

2nd icon= Shows a sea God of some sort, so might be midland Briton, but it looks more Greek that Celtic. Black Sea Greek kingdom.

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Truly Badass. ~:thumb:

Do tell about the 5 new EB factions.

well I'll tell you Bartix, unfortunately, did not make the cut.

V nice, 2nd one Attalids?

Are the new factions for EB2?

5 new factions?

or are they Romani, Carthago etc. ?

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

5 new factions?

or are they Romani, Carthago etc. ?

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It says 5 new factions. Which means current factions + 5 new.

Gotta update the preview.

Those skins are truly beautiful!(sniffles) as for the factions Western Numidia? Taras or Pergamon?

Well, it helps if you know your iconography. You have a deity who has a beard, a staff, and half his body exposed standing next to an elephant with relatively small ears compared to the rest of his body and a small, winged figure. Hmmm...

The second one looks like a Hippocampus/Human Halfbreed with 2 tails.. looking up info about it atm.

Those Epilektoi Hoplitai looks amazingly awesome badasses!! Great work!!

The first faction icon is probably Bactria. Indian (smaller ears) elephant, Zeus...

Btw, will there be only 5 new factions in EB2?

Whoa, great preview!

But just hold on one second, those faction icons are a remake of some of the current factions, or are they some icons for the 5 new factions in EB2?

I`m confused... :surprised:

Well to stop some discussions because some people forget.

There are 30 factions + rebels in MTW2. 99% sure it is.

Which means there will be 10 new factions in EB2.
5 out of 10 factions have been chosen.

And we might tell you if those faction icons are for EB2 or for another project.

Well i'm no expert, but I would bet that second faction icon is for the Skandza provience.

31 factions according to CA. Indo-Greeks as an emerging faction for the first perhaps?

There will be NO Indogreeks as a separate faction in EB2.

hehe oh this is great fun. Keravnos is absolutely right!

No? Bears a striking resemblance to indo-greek coinage though:
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ah, seperate faction.

Well there will be a "new faction" in the next release of EB - those aren't it, though. :coffeenews:

Also, take a good look at those Epilektoi Hoplitai KH-heads. Meet your new General Bodyguard unit! (I suspect even the Spartan-lovers won't be disappointed)

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Originally Posted by Kull

Well there will be a "new faction" in the next release of EB - those aren't it, though. :coffeenews:

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Wait hasn't EB reached the faction limit? Are we going to have to say goodbye to a present faction to make room for the new one? or is this a redirection of a present faction ala Iberia to Lusotainia.

Oh ye of little faith!

The answer is "magic".

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Whoa, great preview!

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Thank you.

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or are they some icons for the 5 new factions in EB2?

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Nope.

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But just hold on one second, those faction icons are a remake of some of the current factions,

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Sort of.

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I`m confused... :surprised:

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Excellent.

I am sooo confused! :dizzy2:
you said "sort of" remakes of present factions... what does that even mean?!?! i want to know.... I wish i had the skills to be on the Eb team just to know all the secrets...and the magic!


damn!!! now i have to clean all the drool of my keyboard after peeking at the new units!

Egads I'm those new skins * the Raetics, persian hoplites, Spahbade Pahlavaning and Casse Celtic Axemen because of their kick ass hat*, keep pumping them out boys!

I think that the "new faction" that kull mentions, is a quit big redoing of one curent faction, and if it's what i think, I just cant wait.

I think the eb team must be out testing out some of the stuff Gaesatae use, just using it to cause chaos among fans though.

Anyways great preview

I'm pretty sure that this "new faction" is the absolutely redone Pahlava faction. The Creator already said that Pahlave has to be redone completely, to show that it was nomadic at the game's start and such.
Because, if they mean it another way, it would mean one faction has to die for another, because EB meets the faction limit. And I don't think any of the current factions deserves to die!:laugh4:
Oh, and perhaps they're going to finally implement working reforms for everyone, no more Hellenikoi Kataphraktoi and Hysteroi Pezhetairoi in the 3rd century b.c.
So, I can't wait anymore, release it or I'm forced to wait...:help:

Can the faction icon be changed halfway through a campagin?

Because I think that the Bactria would get the elephant icon once it conquered India becoming the Indo-Greek, and the Saka would get the weird horsey thing once it conquers India, becoming the Indo-Saka.


Couild be a load of junk but thats my idea

I think the icons are probably for the late period project.

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Originally Posted by Basileus Seleukeia

I'm pretty sure that this "new faction" is the absolutely redone Pahlava faction. The Creator already said that Pahlave has to be redone completely, to show that it was nomadic at the game's start and such.
Because, if they mean it another way, it would mean one faction has to die for another, because EB meets the faction limit. And I don't think any of the current factions deserves to die!:laugh4:
Oh, and perhaps they're going to finally implement working reforms for everyone, no more Hellenikoi Kataphraktoi and Hysteroi Pezhetairoi in the 3rd century b.c.
So, I can't wait anymore, release it or I'm forced to wait...:help:

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Yup, thet is what I thouth:2thumbsup: , and I can't wait to start that ride :2thumbsup: , a nomadic parni, and then settle them and becom one of the strongest empires in the ancient world.:2thumbsup:

I'm ready to wait, as long as neccesary, so the releas is as smooth, stabble and sweet as posible:2thumbsup: go EB, go:balloon2:

Realy great preview...Cant wait to play it..Cheers:balloon2:

Is there any info about the late period project that I keep hearing about?:beam:

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Originally Posted by Krusader

Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans.

The following units will be in the next build, which we are working on at a steady pace.

We hope you have enjoyed this preview.

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Thanks guys. Adore the Spahbade Pahlavaning , Kardakâ Arteshtâr and Numidian unit.

The Koinon Hellenon is breathtaking but again I'd like to see the rationale for such an ornate unit.

The Oksywie guy is nicely done but I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with the Kluddacorii?

Similarly, the Raetian shield, adopted / modified from the Arverni Lugaoe, is inappropriate.

The Bavarian wood cutter (Casse Axemen) just makes me laugh. Where did you guys come up with the idea for this one?


my2bob

Classy as always. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V

Thanks guys. Adore the Spahbade Pahlavaning , Kardakâ Arteshtâr and Numidian unit.

The Koinon Hellenon is breathtaking but again I'd like to see the rationale for such an ornate unit.

The Oksywie guy is nicely done but I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with the Kluddacorii?

Similarly, the Raetian shield, adopted / modified from the Arverni Lugaoe, is inappropriate.

The Bavarian wood cutter (Casse Axemen) just makes me laugh. Where did you guys come up with the idea for this one?


my2bob

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In the case of the HK Epilektoi, the cuirass comes straight from Rhodes, to where three or four of the identical type were traced, given as votive offerings in Olympia. The Chalcidician helmet is a very common style, embossed with a crest, as would be appropriate among the most veteran soldiers. His shield is a normal aspis, but with some silver-work adorning the wood around which there is a leather cover. Essentially decorative, it isn't all that expensive considering the silver is just leaf over wood. The white cloak isn't terribly ornate, I should think. Bronze greaves aren't really that rich an accoutrement, seeing as how even the lowest classes often wore them (in the phalanx anyhow, or at least one on the leading leg).

I believe Stefan must have used a similar source to you on the Rhaetian shield. I'm not sure how the most common shield typology in Europe at the time is exactly inappropriate though.

I'll let Anthony defend the Casse, but again, I see no equipment there that could cause concern. Thanks for your comment, but try to be civil when you give them, eh?

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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V

Thanks guys. Adore the Spahbade Pahlavaning , Kardakâ Arteshtâr and Numidian unit.

The Koinon Hellenon is breathtaking but again I'd like to see the rationale for such an ornate unit.

The Oksywie guy is nicely done but I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with the Kluddacorii?

Similarly, the Raetian shield, adopted / modified from the Arverni Lugaoe, is inappropriate.

The Bavarian wood cutter (Casse Axemen) just makes me laugh. Where did you guys come up with the idea for this one?

my2bob

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Originally Posted by Urnamma

In the case of the HK Epilektoi, the cuirass comes straight from Rhodes, to where three or four of the identical type were traced, given as votive offerings in Olympia. The Chalcidician helmet is a very common style, embossed with a crest, as would be appropriate among the most veteran soldiers. His shield is a normal aspis, but with some silver-work adorning the wood around which there is a leather cover. Essentially decorative, it isn't all that expensive considering the silver is just leaf over wood. The white cloak isn't terribly ornate, I should think. Bronze greaves aren't really that rich an accoutrement, seeing as how even the lowest classes often wore them (in the phalanx anyhow, or at least one on the leading leg).

I believe Stefan must have used a similar source to you on the Rhaetian shield. I'm not sure how the most common shield typology in Europe at the time is exactly inappropriate though.

I'll let Anthony defend the Casse, but again, I see no equipment there that could cause concern. Thanks for your comment..

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Thanks Matt. Much appreciated.

In relation to the HK Epilektoi, what role will this unit take?

P.S Tried to catch you on MSN over the w/e. Did you get my email?

Oh, oh, I can answer that! General's bodyguard. for KH.

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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V

In relation to the HK Epilektoi, what role will this unit take?

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Generals bodyguard for KH.

EDIT: GOD DAMNIT, they beated me to it!!!!!! :shout:

There is also a variant of the unit that is recruitable Rod. The old epilektoi unit needs to be removed as it had a "Phalanx-button" formation and thureos.

I know, but AFAIK this one with the two-headed eagle on the shield was selected for the BG. Am I wrong? :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by BozosLiveHere

Oh, oh, I can answer that! General's bodyguard. for KH.

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lol ..thanks mate. They sound good.
Wouldn't happen to know about the other units would you?

my2bob

Yes, these Epilektoi will indeed replace the other BG unit, which was largely a combination of Rhodian and Corinthian design.

What did you want to know about the other units?

Also, I did get your email, just not at the same time you were on. I'll be on all week though, intermittently though it may be, because of class and personal life :-)

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-Phillipos greaves' It is not visible now, but the ends of the greave were very much ornamented. (other than being gilded of course)

The Icons are obviously for the Norwiegians and the Alabamians.

The Blue one(again obviously) is the Alabamian.

So the yellow one is (yes you have it!) Norwiegian.

And yes, don't worry, both Norwiegians and Alabamians were around back then.

Hope I didn't spoil anything for anybody.

wow people, great preview!

best among the best (for me):

gold medal:
spahbade pahlavaning, absolutely fantastic (ant it is not cause im a fan of this faction, now i don't dare to imagine it on the horse....)
I ardentely hope it will have an arrow-secondary/primary weapon. it could be a great variation in the gameplay, to have an early general capable of throwing arrows before the charge.

silver medal:
epilektoi hoplite, great skin, i think it fit in a wonderfull manner with the kh commander skin (i admit i really didn't like the spartans placeholders..., i was not very excited even for the recruitable spartans to say the truth, but that's just me)

bronze medal:
numidian cavalry, fiinally! we have waited so much time for a new numidian unit that do justice to the famed numidian cavalry.

My guess for the faction icons (but im sure im completely wrong):
1) Baktria new faction icon
2) Epeiros new faction icon

compliments to the 2 skinners
have a good work!

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My guess for the faction icons (but im sure im completely wrong):
1) Baktria new faction icon
2) Epeiros new faction icon

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I'm quite sure the second one indeed is Epeiros.
The flags around Epeiros townsquares have the same image :yes:

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Originally Posted by Obelics

wow people, great preview!
I ardentely hope it will have an arrow-secondary/primary weapon. it could be a great variation in the gameplay, to have an early general capable of throwing arrows before the charge.

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Try the sarmatians mate, and you'll get your wish :thumbsup:

Any word on when when next release is coming? I'm dying to play pahlava

Play it now, i think the next releas is a quit some time away, so dont hold back.

Im loving the trilby on the casse axeman!

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Originally Posted by Ower

Play it now, i think the next releas is a quit some time away, so dont hold back.

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Truer words were never spoken. The Team worked VERY hard to get the v.8x series as stable as possible, just so you would all have plenty of time to play a number of problem-free campaigns. The next build will be better, but it won't be the Quantum Leap that v.80 was versus v.74.

Nice new units, and it is especially nice to hear that the EB team is already thinking about EB2!

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Originally Posted by Jarardo

The Icons are obviously for the Norwiegians and the Alabamians.

The Blue one(again obviously) is the Alabamian.

So the yellow one is (yes you have it!) Norwiegian.

And yes, don't worry, both Norwiegians and Alabamians were around back then.

Hope I didn't spoil anything for anybody.

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Considering that the names "alabamamilim" and "norwaym" appear in the url of the images, I'd have to agree with you.


EDIT: Maybe not the tags for the first icon say Alabama militia.:inquisitive: Is this an elaborate scheme by the EB team to confuse us further?:dizzy2:

that second one (the gold one) looks similar to RTR's faction symbol for Pahlava...


EDIT: I finally hit 100 posts!!

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Considering that the names "alabamamilim" and "norwaym" appear in the url of the images, I'd have to agree with you.


EDIT: Maybe not the tags for the first icon say Alabama militia.:inquisitive: Is this an elaborate scheme by the EB team to confuse us further?:dizzy2:

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:inquisitive: D'oh?

The Casse axeman looks badass . Can't top something that looks like its from multiple time periods.

I'm so happy! These units look awesome! BTW are the Kardakâ Arteshtâr a pike phalanx, or a traditional overhead phalanx?
Also, where are the Celtic cataphracts?!:laugh4:

Kewl for teh win really love EB much better that RTR IMO :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :idea2:

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All seem to be working for me. You might want to wait a lil' longer. They might take a little while to load.

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Im loving the trilby on the casse axeman!

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Things that make you go Hmmm...

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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V

Things that make you go Hmmm...

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Like Marge Simpson`s "hmmm", or like a nice "hmmm"?

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Koinon Hellenon - Epilektoi Hoplitai by rob

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Are you going to totally replace Epilektoi Hoplitai with these ones or they are for KH bodyguards only?

There's a difference between Thorakitai Hoplitai and Epilektoi Hoplitai... I will say no more.

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Originally Posted by Brightblade

There's a difference between Thorakitai Hoplitai and Epilektoi Hoplitai... I will say no more.

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manythanx, you've said more than enough =)

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Originally Posted by shlin28

Can the faction icon be changed halfway through a campagin?

Because I think that the Bactria would get the elephant icon once it conquered India becoming the Indo-Greek, and the Saka would get the weird horsey thing once it conquers India, becoming the Indo-Saka.


Couild be a load of junk but thats my idea

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I coul dbe very wrong...
But I think they are just that... I think if Bactria conquers the three Indian provinces they get to be the Indo-greeks and if the Saka Rauka conquer those three regions they get to have the hippocampus....

I think this because the Indo-greeks had coinage with the elephant on it like that
and the Indo-Sakas had coinage with the hippocampus (i think) as their kingdom was along some river in India and I guess the king wanted to show his recognition of the need for proper river defense/etc.

but I could be very wrong...

No.

Wow, I completely missed this preview

Well, if I may ask.

What is the reatic phalanx?

And what are Persian Hoplites?

Raetic Phalanx to begin with.
1) Result of the Cross-over of Roman/Celtic/Greek influences in some Alpine region...
2) Similar to the Mori Gaesum: "Greek" formation with less discipline but better swordsman skills.
3) Lineothorax, Celtic Thureos, not noble. (As opposed to the Mori Gaesum; who are nobles.)

Persian Hoplites: are the result of Achaemenid attempts at incorporating various aspects of Greek warfare in their own military.
Due to various reasons the Persian Hoplites ended up as:
1) A light version of the post-Peloponesian War hoplites.
2) Lacking the spirit and superior discipline of their Greek counterparts.
3) A mix of Persian and Greek influences.

They were very disciplined compared to most other Persian/Armenian infantry; but were still no match for properly organized Western infantry. They are reliable infantry, nonetheless, and can provide your army with a key element in siege/assaults; and are always good for added punch. You should however not try to rely on them as a substitute for heavy infantry when you play as Armenia or Parthia - your best bet remains the archery with a core of heavy cavalry.

Elephant icon - could be Numidia
Ichtyocentaur - as on the shield of indo-greek noble hoplit from unit arts development thread, so i guess Indo-greeks
Units - awesome

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Is that no to his theory, or no to his saying that he might be very wrong?

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Is that no to his theory, or no to his saying that he might be very wrong?

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your guess is as good as mine :sweatdrop:

we'll see, hopefully keravnos will respond just to clarify it for us :2thumbsup:

In the meanwhile; you could enlighten yourself by flipping back a few pages of this thread... :bulb:

I think faction symbols can't be changed during a campaign.

Awesome review guys! Very cool indeed, but about that Epilektoi Hoplitai, in the current version of EB it is a pike phalanx unit, you say that it's the new KH BG unit? What use is a pike phalanx general? Or are you changing them to overhand phalanx?

I love those new units BTW. Especially those axemen, their hat looks so cool.

Erm, well... these Easter Epikletoi are sort of completely separate from the 0.8-ish Epikletoi. Those will continue to exist, albeit under a different name.

So, are the BG Epikletoi pike or overhand?