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I don't know how many of you are following this story, but I've been hearing a lot of "Well, he has the right to say what he wants, first ammendment, blah, blah, blah". Well, its time people start paying for their actions. Sorry, a 2 week suspension and a weak apology is not enough. Now the guy is trying to sound like the victim. I actually agree with the poverty pimp himself, Al Sharpton, that Imus needs to be canned. Whats your opinion?
If the logic were applied equally I would agree but thats hardly the case. Imus shouldnt be fired, just like 50cents shouldnt be sued/penalized everytime he calls someone a ho either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
When will white people ever learn? :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
Is it just me or are these shock jocks not shocking? "Nappy headed ho" isn't shocking, its just insulting. There is a difference.
Even as an insult its not exactly Shakespeare.
It really is a strange bit of business. I don't think Imus should be insulting black women, but it's hard to get angry at him and him alone; the rap business was partially built on insulting and degrading black women, and you don't hear them apologizing. Nor do you hear anyone calling upon them to do so.
As for Sharpton, if you ever catch yourself agreeing with him, just dunk your head in cold water. He never apologized for the race-baiting Tawana Brawley episode, in which he was deeply involved. That was a heck of a lot more hateful than doddering old Imus grumbling about "hos."
If he gets fired the world will keep on turning, and free speech will still be free. It's not really a big deal.
Why dont you enlighten us Vladimir :idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
My offer to come over and shoot Al Sharpton still stands. :yes:
Well my good deity I thought it was self-evident. You wouldn't have a race baiter like Sharpton going after Dave Chapell for the same thing. Of course, Dave is actually funny and worth watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
I made an assumption of what you meant, but as I spend more and more time in the backroom assumptions are never safe here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
Yes, welcome to the fun house :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
What does "nappy-headed" mean?
The biggest problem I have is the racial double standard at work. Imus is a comedian, he's a morning talk show shock jock that has made a career out of insensitive remarks and shocking chat. There's a big difference between a comedian known for making fun of anyone and everyone using the term 'nappy headed hos' to get a laugh than say, an evening news anchor using the same term in an off hand remark. On the other hand Dave Chappelle, who was notorious for casting a wide ethnic net, routinely singled out non-black ethnic groups and nobody thought twice about it.
Like Trent Lott Imus was a fool to apologize, let alone agree to go on Sharpton's turf and turn this into a pop culture 'incident'. A quick comeback or tirade using a 'voice of reason' could have diffused the entire situation and made Sharpton look like a bigger phony and fool than he already is. Imus apologizing just made things worse.
I'm sure in the end it will all come down to money. If his show starts losing advertisers or ratings, he will be fired. Is there a replacement show in mind?
Disclaimer: Never heard his show before, so my opinion is worthless (at least to the advertisers...).
Its in reference to Blacks hair texture. Its very racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
These young ladies are going to college, busting their asses on the court and this old closet racist calls them "nappy headed hos". What's he done with his life except sit behind a microphone being an idiot. I know the rap arguement and the free speech arguement but there has got to be stronger concequences for this sort of BS.
Agreed. For some reason, when I caught Imus apologizing on the nightly news, and I saw the predatory gleam in Sharpton's eyes, all I could picture was buckets of chum being tossed to a shark. Apologizing to Sharpton just feeds the frenzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spino
If only I weren't a Catholic....I'd buy him the ticket to visit Al.
Oh well, off to say a few Ave Marias for that thought.
Have any of you who are condemming him even heard it?
It was an off hand remark you can hear it here, for crying out loud it sounds like he is congratulating them and calling them tough athletes..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaftrHk0e1c
If someone is upset about this they need to get a life.
Well Dave, over here in communist Europabia we have laws against that sort of thing, but then we also have laws against denying the holocaust, insulting other heads of state (thankfully never applied) and a dozen or so other things. It is, for once, a real slippery slope, and i'm not sure I like where we're heading...Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
When he comes back from suspension he should do his very first show in blackface.
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
MRD, you are the greatest poster that have ever blessed this Backroom... EVER!!!:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Well, when I first heard what he said, all I could say was
"OUCH."
That was a rather crude insult. If he can't come up with anything wittier or more articulate than that, he deserves to be fired.
"Nappy headed ho" is racist? I never knew that. I assumed he was "just" being sexist.
Still think its crass rather than shocking though.
Can you explain to me why this is any different, or special, or why the hubbub ? Isn't it the same stuff that appears in 99% of the "lyrics" of hip-hop and gangsta music ?
I fail to see why this deserves particular attention...
Imus is white, that's why (and that's what Vladimir was referring to, if I'm not mistaken).
Slightly off-topic, but did anyone see the Daily Show episode recently where they were talking about the N-word? They had John Oliver and Larry Wilmore (the Senior Black Correspondent) doing the "interviews", and Wilmore's job was to actually say the words so Oliver wouldn't get in trouble. Disturbingly hilarious.
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherl...&is_large=true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdhfyWbJhAk
Is that all ? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
Aren't there a bunch of white hip-hop "artists", too ?
Well, anyway, thank you for the explanation, drone. I guess it kinda makes sense in today's messed-up, double-standards, PC society, in a weird twisted sort of way.
I don't think Eminem uses the 'N' -word. If he does it's not very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blodrast
PC-ness rules the world.
What kind of insult is this? Nappy-headed hos? So his best shot at someone is that they are black whores with hair that is very curly? What an idiot.
Seems to me he was trying too hard to be funny. I read a partial transcript of this conversation with his buddy. The whole thing smacks of foot-in-mouth syndrome.
Suppose there are any incidents of a minority insulting a white group (other than the GOP)?
Azi
I'm really having a hard time figuring Americans out lately.
There was a thread in here a while ago about a bunch of Texan university students (law students, IIRC) who threw a MLK Day party where they dressed up as pimps, drank Schlitz Malt Liquor out of brown paper bags, and ate fried chicken.
I found the whole idea offensive and racist, and was generally poo-pood by American backroom orgahs.
But now you guys are getting offended by a guy making reference to 'fros?
:inquisitive:
Yall have a dial change the station. this is America we can say what we want.
nope , your vocal moral majority(or is that loud small minded minority) got themselves a little bill pushed through .Quote:
this is America we can say what we want.
Which means you can't say what you want on the government regulated airwaves .
Its all for the sake of decency:yes:
There has been way too much attention focused on Imus.
I feel there needs to be a proper investigation into these young women's sexual history.
Imus may have been completely correct. We just dont know.
I remember that show drone, it was hilarious.
:laugh4: Don't you just love how twisted everything is now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
As for the topic, I view freedom of speech this way: people have a right to say what they want, but other people also have a right to blast those people for saying such things. It works out in the end. If someone says something racist/sexist, they are bound to be blasted by others and punished in some way without the law stepping in. Passing a law to limit speech is asinine and besides, who has the authority to say what should be allowed and what shouldn't? You're bound to get sticky situations and it turns everyone into spineless wusses anyway. Geez, people today have no backbone.
So what is wrong with the saying exactly? I would say the only thing wrong with it is calling the girls Ho's, although I'm pretty sure that's not even a word :idea2: As for nappy headed, that's a pretty poor excuse for an insult.
As for saying "you people" so what he was talking to more than one person at the time.
Looks like the show's advertisers are starting to bail out, and local radio & TV stations are dropping their presentations of the show.
Maybe he'll be able to get a job doing voice-overs for Home Depot gardening equipment (hoes, for example), or a carpeting company - where knap is an issue.
That would be appropriate since many want to see him called to the carpet.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Colbert has a good riff on the controversy. Clicky the linkie before Viacom sues the source out of existence. Anybody else notice how Colbert and Daily Show stuff is vanishing off the net? Anybody else notice how godawful Comedy Central's video service is?
Maybe voice overs for Napster as well...:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Woo-Hoo, Dave joining in the pun fun. :laugh4:
Now MSNBC is dropping Mr Imus from its TV simulcast. Things are turning kinda grim for Donnie.
I wonder if SIRIUS will offer him a job, maybe as an opening act for Howard Stern. They both stimulate my involuntary yuck reflex.
I dimly remember his radio show on (then) "underground" FM radio from Cleveland - we could get it on clear days in Detroit. He was sort of funny back then, and played good music - the stuff you didn't hear on Top 40 AM radio.
I was watching comedy central show today and the daily show as well as the colvert report did some wonderful parodies on this situation.
Hahaha!!! One less Liberal on the radio!!! No Air America, no Imus, now its time to wait for Rosie to open her mouth and say something to get canned.:laugh4:
Yah, I posted a link to the video in post #39. Comedy Central's video interface is so nasty, I felt I had to do something for those who might want to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
DevDave, was Imus considered a liberal? I never got into his show, so I'm sort of in the dark.
Meh, at least we've got 2 radio presenters saying "black apes" when referring to the Williams sisters a while ago. Now *that* was racist.
I've got no use for Imus or Stern either. There's much more interesting stuff on the radio without listening to that garbage.
Regardless, my thoughts pretty much square up with Lemur's first post on the subject. :yes:
Unbelievable, really!?!?! They were fired, hopefully, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Nah, they just had to publically apoligize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
(not legally, just pressure from the masses)
Was the white political cartoonist who depicted Condoleezza Rice with Ape-like features fired? Or the image editor that changed her facial coloring?Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
This Imus guy is a friend of John Kerry right?
That is disturbingly hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
As to the controversy - seems overblown. It seems he wasn't acting with malice or trying to insult the players.
And apologizing to al sharpton is just stupid.
Crazed Rabbit
thats the problem , he was broadcasting and didn't think .Quote:
It seems he wasn't acting with malice or trying to insult the players.
He has a long line of accusations about racist overtones , he was speaking with someone who also has had the same accusations , they both said things that can be viewed as racially insulting on air .
With the new free speech republican moral majority public decency rubbish the stations cannot risk it .
If he wants to say insulting things then he should feel free to , if he wants to insult people .
But if he wants to say insulting things but not insult people then he runs into a bit of a problem .
And now it's done.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...ers/index.html
This is worth a reprint.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Perfect take on this...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cCP_CgaAxNk
This:
I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.
DD couldn't have said it better himself. :2thumbsup:
And this:
It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.
Don't be dissin Dave! :furious3:
I know this has been a train wreck, but seriously...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html
We have our first true casualty.Quote:
Originally Posted by CNN
Happy coincidence?!? I'm not too broken up about this (pun intended). Corzine is an incredibly corrupt SOB who might have been spared much of the trauma he sustained if had been wearing his seatbelt.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
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Corzine was riding in the front passenger's seat of the SUV when a white pickup truck swerved to avoid a red pickup truck that had moved onto the highway from the shoulder, State Police Superintendent Rick Fuentes said. The white pickup hit the passenger side of the SUV, sending it skidding into a guardrail. The red pickup left the scene.
Fuentes said it was unclear whether the governor was wearing his seat belt at the time of the crash, but Corzine spokesman Anthony Coley said Friday that it appeared he was not.
Wow, common sense and the ability to see beyond the double standard PC crap, and speak against it - good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I agree. The article Lemur posted pretty much points out what I've known for a while now...
That America always misses the point. We're all so caught up in our own personal agendas that we've become totally incapable of either being objective or learning from our mistakes.
Terry Schivo (spelling) was the prime example of this. That poor woman nearly killed herself because of a poor self image and all we could do is bicker about what to do with her corpse.
The Imus example stands as well. The guy is an insensitive bigot. But he's PAID to be one! That's his JOB. I'm not saying there should be no consequences for his ridiculously callous comments, but he's become a pariah for doing almost nothing at all. Michael Richards was in the same boat. Yeah, he made some really awful remarks in a COMEDY CLUB. He said them with hate in his heart. He was wrong to do it, but my god, let's not burn him at the stake for it.
The core of the problem here isn't radio shock jocks, or racist remarks, or anything like that. The problem here is that there are SOME people in this country who are using EVERY opportunity they can to slander their enemies. This is pure opportunitism. In this case, the people who are crying are AT LEAST as racist as the people they are decrying. It's disgusting.
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
Since we're all a-postin' articles, I'd thought I'd give good old Kinky Friedman's take:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152007...y_friedman.htm
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Al Sharpton never cared on bit for the truth, not a single bit for doing what was right. He has always cared about himself, as magnifying any and all chances to portray himself as a hero, by pulling the race card whenever he could. He is an obstacle, a barricade on the road of progress. He doesn't want progress - because he wouldn't have a job. [/rant]
CR
I think this is all a bunch of BS, Personally I cant stand Imus. Theres little we agree on and I think hes an ass. But hes a comedian for crying out loud. You can call him a radio host if you like. If a black person had said these things they would be considered funny. Heck Sharpton jumped all over him just because he said you people to him. Sharpton is no one to talk about people being racist. You want to punish Imus tune him out. I sure wont miss him.
I agree- but I still think Imus owed the college girls the apology, and only to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rameusb5
However Imus was fired because otherwise the stations sponsors would walk out, something I wouldn't attribute to anything Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson said.