Europa Barbarorum is the coolest mod ever!

I just want to say that this mod is the best mad it beats all other games and stuff. I just hope it doesn't die like all the other mods in "Hosted mods for RTW". I can't wait for the next patch. I heard there was an EB2 thats for Medieval 2: Total War. I hope to get that game. I know this mod will live long (though not forever) but keep me satisfied for a long time.

Oh a question...

I am currently playing as the Lusotannans and I saw the victory conditions, 1 (or 2) of the conditions is to take Ireland (sorry I don't know the names) and i'm asking how did the team come up with these victory conditions for all the factions? Are the victory conditions made up? Are they what the factions took in real life? Or were those provinces what the factions were aiming for?

sorry if you cant understand.. my english is kinda messed up.

Hello, nice you like it...

About the victory conditions, i think that they represent what the faction MAY have looked like, as i dont think that the Lusotannan tribe ever controlled Ireland
but as youself say, what the factions aimed for

Agreed. RTW is a mediocre game at best imo, but the EB-team made something grand out of the scraps. RTW isn't the game, RTW is the engine and EB is the game. And that game makes it to my top 10 games of all time list. Not bad for unofficial content ;)

It can also be noted that the 4th generation of total war kept me occupied for maybe 2 days 'til I got fed up and came running back to EB and RTR.

Nah, the Lusotannans never controled Ireland, but they were descendants of the Celts, who came from the north, including Ireland. I guess that's what the victory conditions come from.
Same with the Casse, I suppose. They never descended into Gaul, yet their victory condition include going as far south as the Pyrenées.

actually i think the celts of ireland are actually descendents of the iberian celts. I could be wrong, Anthony or someone should pipe in here but I think I read a book about it once. Ah, I found an article about it.

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Researchers Trace Roots of Irish and Wind Up in Spain
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By NICHOLAS WADE

For any observer of last week's St. Patrick's Day celebrators who wondered where all those Irish came from, science has provided an unexpected answer: Spain.

Using ancient Irish surnames and DNA analysis, researchers at Trinity College in Dublin have developed evidence that Irish men in Connaught, a western province of Ireland, are almost all descended from a population of hunters and gatherers who inhabited Ireland before the invention of agriculture.

Archaeologists believe the inventors of agriculture migrated from their homeland in the Near East, starting about 9,500 years ago, and gradually spread across Europe, displacing the existing inhabitants or intermarrying with them.

Dr. Daniel G. Bradley and colleagues at Trinity analyzed a DNA signature that was assumed to belong to the first inhabitants. In terms of the percentage of the population that carries the signature, there is a gradient across Europe, from 2 percent in Turkey to 63 percent in Britain to 78 percent in Ireland as a whole, as if reflecting the degree of mixing between Europe's ancestral hunters and gatherers and the farming invaders from the east.

The signature, a set of variations in the usual DNA sequence, is carried on the Y chromosome, which is bequeathed unchanged from father to son. Since surnames are inherited the same way Y chromosomes are in Ireland, Dr. Bradley measured the commonness of the DNA signature in Irish men with surnames known to originate in the north, south, east and west of Ireland.

He and his colleagues report in today's issue of the journal Nature that the DNA signature gradient continues within Ireland, with 98 percent of Connaught men, on the west coast, carrying the signature.

From genetic variations within the signature, Dr. Bradley estimates the Irish versions of it stemmed from individuals who lived 4,000 or more years ago. Ireland is believed to have been inhabited for 9,000 years, so Irish men who carry the signature could well be descendants of their country's very first occupants.

"It seems that in our extreme west of Ireland we have a snapshot of what western Europe was like before farming," Dr. Bradley said.

But where did those first hunter-gatherers come from?

The first carriers of the ancestral European DNA signature are estimated to have lived some 30,000 years ago and presumably were among the earliest modern human occupants of the continent after the Neanderthals were driven out. Outside of Ireland, the signature is most common in the Basque country of northern Spain, where 89 percent of men carry it.

In the last ice age, which lasted in Europe until around 10,000 years ago, Spain was a refuge for many plants and animals that recolonized Europe as the glaciers retreated. Dr. Bradley believes people may have done the same.

"They may have peopled this part of Europe by coming up from Spain," he said.

Dr. Bryan Sykes, a human geneticist at the University of Oxford in England, said he had traced a similar pattern of gene flow, from Spain through Brittany, Ireland and the west of Scotland. People of the Mesolithic period -- the Middle Stone Age -- were apparently taking a sea route from southern Europe's warm refuges as the glaciers retreated.

The geneticists are not the first to link the Irish with Spain. A Celtic legend says that the sons of a man named Milesius arrived in Ireland from Spain 1,000 years before the birth of Christ.

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Nah, the Lusotannans never controled Ireland, but they were descendants of the Celts, who came from the north, including Ireland. I guess that's what the victory conditions come from.
Same with the Casse, I suppose. They never descended into Gaul, yet their victory condition include going as far south as the Pyrenées.

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But some iberian tribes did invade (mostly likely be assimilating) the southern tribes of ireland, creating the gaelic culture. It happened within our timeframe (quite early on in fact) and that is why we chose it for the Lusotannans.

Foot

On Eb dieing, I will quote from a famous writer...

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Reports of EB death have been slightly exaggerated

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In fact, I believe these are good times for us. New members have joined the ranks, plans for M2TW are being laid out. In fact we drool over the possibilities that M2TW, once fully moddable can present us.

Oh, and another thing. With the amount of details inherent on EB as is it will take years to see all it has to offer. My advice is not to rush into it. Enjoy it for what it can offer, plan ahead, build up your territories, then when on war, go for the throat, then stop, build up your new acquisitions, etc.

Oh and another thing. It might be a good idea to limit your EB playing time to 2-3 hours per day... :yes:

Yes EB is such a beautiful mod, to bad I can't play it right now since I'm so engrossed in Oblivion :P

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Oh and another thing. It might be a good idea to limit your EB playing time to 2-3 hours per day...

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Easy to say... Much harder to actually do.

Wow im glad I got answers. Interesting ones too..I gotta look more into Lusotannans..

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Oh and another thing. It might be a good idea to limit your EB playing time to 2-3 hours per day... :yes:

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Easy to say... Much harder to actually do.

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I second that. EB is very addicting...

Interesting, Im playing with the Lusotanan right now, which happen to be my direct or semi-direct ancestors. And I had no idea about them going to Ireland, aren't they supposed to be a low level sea nation on the game?

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Originally Posted by Rilder

Yes EB is such a beautiful mod, to bad I can't play it right now since I'm so engrossed in Oblivion :P

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In 2 hours I got bored of Oblivion. I killed everything that was possible. Not hard enough...

You should have played until you leveled up a few times... In vanilla Oblivion the monsters become harder to beat as you level up, rather than the opposite. Which is the biggest flaw of it... Try Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul. There you get instant challenge and an incentive to level up.

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Originally Posted by bovi

You should have played until you leveled up a few times... In vanilla Oblivion the monsters become harder to beat as you level up, rather than the opposite. Which is the biggest flaw of it... Try Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul. There you get instant challenge and an incentive to level up.

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Yea I like the way they did it though, when your just starting out and learning stuff is easy for you in the game, then as you get farther along it gets more challenging as you learn the ropes more, I did the quest were you have to go into oblivion to shut down the first gate at like level 12 and was having to deal with some tough Sob's.. I just started a new char though cause my last 2 kept becomming mass murderers expelled from all the guilds... :oops: I made a shaman like class for this char, Light armor, mysticism, alchemy, blunt, and a couple others, designed loosly on the WoW Shaman class. :sweatdrop:


The funny thing is on my computer EB is more stable then Oblivion... :clown:

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Easy to say... Much harder to actually do.

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Life's so easy when:

1) You're an active EB member
2) You don't have a PC of your own, but have to share one with others
3) Or both 1 & 2 apply

Makes it impossible to spend more than roughly an hour a day on playing EB and that's an average. Plus, of course, you get to see more of the real action. :wink:

The only downside for easily located members is the gaesatae reminder squad. :grin:

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On Eb dieing, I will quote from a famous writer...



In fact, I believe these are good times for us. New members have joined the ranks, plans for M2TW are being laid out. In fact we drool over the possibilities that M2TW, once fully moddable can present us.

Oh, and another thing. With the amount of details inherent on EB as is it will take years to see all it has to offer. My advice is not to rush into it. Enjoy it for what it can offer, plan ahead, build up your territories, then when on war, go for the throat, then stop, build up your new acquisitions, etc.

Oh and another thing. It might be a good idea to limit your EB playing time to 2-3 hours per day... :yes:

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are you getting less downloads or whatever than when the mod was first released?

i fo one only came to eb this year having got bored with m2tw.

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Originally Posted by KARTLOS

are you getting less downloads or whatever than when the mod was first released?

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Looks like you didn't read the thread:

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Originally Posted by Xhin_Akuma

I just want to say that this mod is the best mad it beats all other games and stuff. I just hope it doesn't die like all the other mods in "Hosted mods for RTW". I can't wait for the next patch. I heard there was an EB2 thats for Medieval 2: Total War. I hope to get that game. I know this mod will live long (though not forever) but keep me satisfied for a long time.

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Emphasis added by me.

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

The only downside for easily located members is the gaesatae reminder squad. :grin:

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Hah!

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Originally Posted by KARTLOS

are you getting less downloads or whatever than when the mod was first released?

i fo one only came to eb this year having got bored with m2tw.

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This is the downloads of 0.81a from the time it was released until ...now...

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Downloads of EB 0.81(a): 40747 (includes patch installer)

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I think we are doing pretty fine. :beam:

Yes that's true, EB rocks. ~;)

almost 41,000 downloads HOLY cr@p!!!

is EB bigger than Jesus? :yes:

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I just hope it doesn't die like all the other mods in "Hosted mods for RTW".

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Dave wouldn't allow that.

The EB crew could take advantage of the new M2TW improved graphics and AI (coff coff) to make a new RTW, like what we're playing now, but much better. Or is the EB2 going to be focused on Medieval ages? Probably a stupid question but I was wondering...

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The EB crew could take advantage of the new M2TW improved graphics and AI (coff coff) to make a new RTW, like what we're playing now, but much better. Or is the EB2 going to be focused on Medieval ages? Probably a stupid question but I was wondering...

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Right first time. While some of us are interested in the medieval period, most of us have an unhealthy obsession with the classical era.

Foot

Unhealthy?
You don't... You don't actually sleep cuddled up next to some Hamata called Dolly and you're hands wrapped around a couple of Pila named Roger, Andrew and Augustus do you?

Think more of Gaesatae.

Now who was it who spent time in an Italian jail for empirically testing the psychological impact of Gaesatae nekkidness again...? :balloon2:

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Think more of Gaesatae.

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What like having a inflatable Gaesatae punching bag named Transalpine Bob?

You probably got the inflatable part right.

so a Transalpine Johnson?

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so a Transalpine Johnson?

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That would be a pretty big johnson....

Mmmm, so big that perhaps it became legend throughout the ancient world. Perhaps the pyramids were an early replication in honour of the fabled Johnson?
Indeed a Very Large Transalpine Johnson may have been used by Ceasar in the subjugation of Gaul...