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Could one of our local Danish scholars confirm this? If this is true, al I can say if "Holy Crap!!!" Good luck over there and be safe. I just have a hard time believing this. If its true, what do you think the impact of this will be?
Language...language...Trist'! Though your sentiment is clear enough.
Anyone confirm this info source?
A quick scan of the site notes a lot of anti-muslim rage, but the only confirmation of this effigy burning listed was internal...no independent source I could see.
Sorry, I'm french you know!:furious3: :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I'm surprised it took this long for something like this to happen. I am also astounded to see this happening in a nation like Denmark. I honestly expected to see this happening in more devout Catholic or Orthodox Christian nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
This will obviously spark violent protests from Muslims and personal and/or organized terrorist attacks are sure to follow. You can actually see the camel's back begin to strain under the pressure before the last bit of straw is applied. It's just a matter of time before Al Qaeda or a similar group manages to pull off another spectacular 9/11 like event and then the crap is really going to hit the fan.
If true, it could cause remarkable upheaval indeed. I have not noticed any more confirmations.
I heard there was an interesting "muslim" democratic party created in Denmark recently... maybe that fascist scum can't stand such intelligence and want to drive their immigrants in the hands of extremists again...
You've read the story now watch the video!
Moderator alert: If you surf here from work, clicking the 'spoiled' link may get you in trouble with your net-nanny. The link also presents images possibly offensive to some members.-Kukri
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I was expecting a slightly more spectacular manueqin.
No good will come of this. The ensuing extremist's one-upmanship from both sides will also harm innocents as well.
In the extremists eyes, they are either 'infidels' (to the muslim extremists) or 'barbarian savages' (christian extremists).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito
Like the issues involved, many of the future participants are neither black nor white. I've been involved in quelling several riots, emotions will take over and common sense will be hard to come by. This is going to get ugly...
While understandable and true, I have found general "common sense" among people to be nothing but irrationality nowadays. I mean... what is common sense -- prejudice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito
Let us await the upheaval and regard those foolish enough to engage therein. And the fools who allowed the setting ablaze of Muhammed and those who partook in it should be set gainst the wall for stupidity of a too low kind.
Can anyone translate the words in the beggining of that video?
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Originally Posted by Bijo
I believe you just need to look to the recent riots in France to get an idea of what may happen....
Oh noes, a media blitzkrieg of the likes we've never seen before...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito
Guess i won't be watching news channels for quite a while.
My first reaction when clicking this was "What the @#%@% did our own Daveyboy do NOW??" I'm all for freedom of expression, but methinks Hosakawa has it right, no good will come of this.
Ah mon Dieu, Tristuskhan. Veuillez vous relire avant de poster vôtre commentaire poétique...~:eek:
Il n’est pas nécessaire de toujours utiliser la traduction exacte, mais seulement le terme le plus courant dans la langue que vous utiliserez. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tristuskhan
I've just got wind of a curry strike in Bradford.
News at eleven.
Hey at least there not taking it in the teeth
Some website already had translated it so saved me the trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
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I wonder if they would have burnt Jewish effigies if they was around in the 30s:dizzy2:Quote:
We declare:
Saint Hans’ Eve has always celebrated the tradition of burning away the evil, in earlier times symbolized by the witch, who was supposedly directly connected to Satan. And if the witch was not burned then the harvest could not be safely brought into the house.
Now a new evil has arrived in Europe, an evil that lies and kills in the name of their so-called God. An evil that springs from the so-called Prophet Mohammed. Therefore, in our time, it is he who symbolizes evil and it is not just one harvest that will disappear, but all of Western Europe’s future that will vanish if this evil is not dispatched to Hekkenfeldt [i.e. Hell, literally the Hekla volcano in Iceland — BB].
Therefore will we burn the so-called Prophet Mohammed, on June 23, 2007, in three nameless places.
We burned Mohammed in three different places across the country. We now release the video from the first burning. The next videos will be released on July 23 and August 23.
For a Mohammed-free Denmark!!!
Are kebabs off teh menu then?
Methinks pork fritters are probably more likely given the circumstances...Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
well i think the straw can now be cosidered a brick and that camel looks a bit shaky.
I'm worried now just as much about these anti-islamics as the mnslims themselves, anyone so unheeding of the inevitable upheaval is as not to be trusted with fire and a video camera.
...hm i always imagined the M-man would be a bit more plump...
Lol, typical ad homenim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
As to the video - it may be that a couple of guys with a video camera change the future.
Bah! Islamic extremists have been burning our flags and effigies for ages. The reaction will be interesting though - how many riots can a couple guys with lighter fluid cause?Quote:
No good will come of this. The ensuing extremist's one-upmanship from both sides will also harm innocents as well.
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.Quote:
anyone so unheeding of the inevitable upheaval is as not to be trusted with fire and a video camera.
Crazed Rabbit
Who knows maybe their parents did.Quote:
wonder if they would have burnt Jewish effigies if they was around in the 30s
Reminds me of that South Park episode.
Warning: South Park Quality Language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyr9LToH8W8
Is it offensive to their religion? Sure. Does it justify any kind of violent reaction? No. Christians are expected to, and do, take much more offensive actions in stride. I don't support this group's actions, but the violent outbursts that often accompany events like this in the Muslim world are even less acceptable.
OMG, Gates Of Vienna chosen as the icon of all this hatred. ROFLMAO. :laugh4:
Seriously it doesn't matter where you live or what your nationality is. :laugh4:
Uno note bene, Luigi. Grazie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Yeah, I had a quiet chuckle to myself when I saw the name of the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
I few morons with a guy and a lighter does not a political force make.
We burn in effigy a Catholic every November, but these days our Catholic population is nicely integrated. :laugh4:
Oh, I think you misunderstood my point, I was not justifiying my words with translation problems, just stating that beeing french I was liable to use an offensive language everytime I can. Sticking to "our" rudeness cliché, en somme....:furious3: :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Ill be there... to whom do I RSVP? :laugh4:
yes...yes. All is going as I have planned. :balloon2:
They'd been burning puppets of Mohammed in Spain for centuries on a national feast, no one got beheaded because of that.
If the 'muslim world' is going to be dumb enough to actually blame the 'west' for this and not just the fringe lunatics that actually did it then something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.
If they are angry so what, they are angry anyway. Those that take offence have extending toes you just cannot help stepping on.
It doesn't help that some people will use things like this as a tool for their own ends. Remember the Mohammed cartoon scandal? The reason it became such a big affair was that some Danish clerics added pictures to the portfolio and went touring in islamic countries. We can see it's just a few silly people with a camera burning a badly made doll, but the ones that want to their muslims upset aren't going to present it as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
No doubt a terrible year for Bang&Olufson :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spetulhu
Wow, saddening I say. I expected the average european to be a bit less stupid than that. And not only they are total idiots, but they are also quite lame, as they doesn't want to appear on the video.
BTW, I'm fairly sure they are the kind of people who would have burnt Jews' shops back in the 1930's-1940's. Cowardness, racism, sillyness : a good first step for fascist wannabes.
On the other hand, as soon as the average muslim flag-burner imam will hear that, we'll have a lot of other morons running in the street, burning things there and there, threatening to behead people if they don't behave correctly, and what not.
And LoL @ the name of the anti-muslim blog. "Gates of Vienna". WTH ?
What a silly era.
Didn't the defense of those gates give birth to the croissant? Heaven knows what Danish delicacies tomorrow will bring. I am all for burning effigies in the interest of culinary progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
As for the subject, I think the Lemur expressed it wordlessly yet adequately. Western and Jewish flags and effigies are burning constantly across the Muslim world in the name of an intolerant and violent prophet. If it is that prophet that is being burned in Denmark, I can only applaud the campaign and hope that he will go the way of Guy Fawkes.
The Mohammad story of course could never be burned and will retain pride of place on my bookshelf as part and parcel of the great adventure of mankind.
There are nearly 300 million of us, a little spread on the intelligence front is to be expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
Hmmm..... it would only be fair:Quote:
If the 'muslim world' is going to be dumb enough to actually blame the 'west' for this and not just the fringe lunatics
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If the'muslim world''west' is going to be dumb enough to actually blame the'west''muslim world' for this and not just the fringe lunatics
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Originally Posted by Adrian II
Seems I'm proven out. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Seriously it doesn't matter where you live or what your nationality is. :laugh4:
:inquisitive:
Is it really that important?
Osama can just upload his own video burning a Dane as a response on YouTube and everything is fine.
So what did they actually do, they burnt a wax figurine, big deal.
Any violent response to this would be totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I do find it amusing how people make excuses for some religions or groups to do this sort of thing but find it totally unacceptable in response.
p.s. Just noticed I spelt "amusing" as "anusing", glad I spotted that before DD :clown:
Ironies spotted:
-they used the Danish cartoon as the effigy 'head'
-after the initial 'flash', what remained was a burning cross
-'Gates of Vienna'
-face-hiding burning guy used a Zippo lighter (are they common in Europe?)
I'm actually beginning to suspect this was 'made in the usa'.
Zippo's are quite common, at least here in scandinavia. As for their nationality, I don't doubt that they're danish, and I'm guessing at neo-nazi's. Their "message" sounded way to similar to previous messages from such groups, so I'll bet my money on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Oh, and they also hide their faces(like the klan).
hey may be dumb but I doubt they have a death wish. However this still lies at the feet of the Mulims around the world. Its their intolernace that is the real problem. Ive always wished they would make a movie like the life of Brian on Mohamed. Can you imagine that? The life of Mustapha. A parody on the prophet Mohamed. People running around chopping of heads saying .Its a miracle its a miracle. Most Christians think the life of Brian is hilarious.Quote:
Wow, saddening I say. I expected the average european to be a bit less stupid than that. And not only they are total idiots, but they are also quite lame, as they doesn't want to appear on the video.
Thanks for the info, HoreTore. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Unlikely, the world has yet to see a human being capable of translating danish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
How do you set the standards of common sense ? How can you claim that Western way of perception is the right way to go ? Why can't you tolerate what others can't tolerate ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Anyways, Gates Of Vienna again. :laugh4:
LEN I may not agree western perception is always the best but sometimes the muslims just need to tone it down about. Not every non beliver is trying to take down your religon and spit on Allah. Just learn to live with them.
Dammit!!! Missed it. That would have got me atleast 2 or 3 quips!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
Anyway, In no way do I condone this by posting this article. I just was wondering if it was true considering the website. Even though the prophet had a questionable history (child molestation, robbery, murder, etc) its wrong to burn his image, like it is wrong to burn a cross or other religious articles. This is not a "courageous" action, but a foolish one in my opinion.:no:
I would like to further add that the 'effigy" was one of the absolute lamest I have ever seen, it was some sticks with a rag and a printed out cartoon on it. I mean c'mon guys, if you are gonna do it, at least put some effort into it!
:coffeenews: well no riots yet...
Nobody knows what nationality they are, right? And as far as I understand the text isn't fascist either. But boy, wouldn't it be convenient if they were neo-nazis.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Anyway, even if they are neo-nazi's they have the right to express themselves in this way. That is what this is about. Freedom of opinion. The right to speak your mind and reject other people's views, Gods and symbols without having to fear for your life. And I don't care one iota if every western act of blasphemy creates a hundred new islamist terrorists. Every act of islamist intolerance creates a thousand new western blasphemers.
Quite hard to swallow, but you're right: "I disaprove your views, but I would fight for you to be able to express them" (Help me Louis, I don't remember who said that: was it Montesquieu?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
Voltaire.
Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu'à la mort pour que vous ayez le droit de le dire. A brilliant mind at his most brilliant.
Of course... long days under heavy rain are no good for classical culture, thank you Louis....
Voltaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by tristuskhan
And yeah, they may be neo-nazis which is unpalatable to me too, but freedom of expression represents a greater value than Adrian's aesthetic sensitivities.
Dare I even say it?
Something's rotten in the State of Denmark
I'm sorry but that's the price you have to pay for my freedom of speech...i'll leave now
The text greatly resembles previous statements by scandinavian nazi's, the form, words and feel used is the one the nazi's here use. So, I'll bet my money on neo-nazi's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
Hey everything sounds better in English FrenchieQuote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Hold on there Meneldil , apparently comparing idiot fascists with idiot fascists is a typical ad-hominen......in some peoples books anyway:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
BTW, I'm fairly sure they are the kind of people who would have burnt Jews' shops back in the 1930's-1940's. Cowardness, racism, sillyness : a good first step for fascist wannabes.
I don't see why that is funny, I see no similarity between those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
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I really wish people would find a way to de-religify the current cultural clash in Europe. This has nothing to do with anyone's prophets.
I do, however, feel that the fight for freedom of expression in Europe is worth it at any cost.
And, to add a bit of perspective-- yes, people of diverse national, political, and religious backgrounds in the Muslim world do burn effigies of Bush, Blair, and flags of certain countries like the US and Israel. But they would never burn Jesus or Moses.
HEY IS THAT A RIOT!!!
:tumbleweed:
no wait... it's only a tumbleweed, you'd think that by now the islamic extremists would be able to leap into action anytime but...
~:flirt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
^^^ nice mullet ^^^
Reality check tiimeQuote:
Muslim world do burn effigies of Bush, Blair, and flags of certain countries like the US and Israel. But they would never burn Jesus or Moses.
Any Idea what this is?
http://www.incommunion.org/img/kosovo-relics.jpg
The tomb of the 14th cenutry Saint Joanikije of Devic was broken, marble slabs taken away, and the relics set on fire. The entire chapel at the monastery of Devic was burned with all frescoes.
I suppose none of those were of Jesus or Moses.
Albania : Muslims Torch Churches , Hate Christ
LINKQuote:
"East Timor remained largely unreported throughout the 80's and most of the 90's. A Christian land ravaged by Muslims - nobody cared. Untold crimes have been committed in the Chittagong Hill Tracts of Bangladesh against the Chakmas, and yet how often is the conflict reported? - never!," a believer noted in despair.
Over 150 churches and monasteries in Kosovo, Serbia have been destroyed or seriously damaged over the last 6 years. Now authorities project to turn the hull of one sanctuary into a nightclub. The Church of Christ the Savior in Pristina has been turned into public toilet.
Muslims burn others’ mosques in sectarian wars. But Muslims also burn Christian churches
However, not much media attention focuses on the leveling of Christian sanctuaries. After all, it’s just a "Christian story." However, the latest mosque burnt to the ground gets plenty of newsfeed with narrative and copious photographs.
Why?
While we attempt to answer that needling question, note that in Kosovo Province, scene after scene of heartbreak spikes the believers' hearts as they wake up to cinders for a Christian church. It is unprecedented in that area.
"I have a feeling that we are really going to pay from the nose for turning the cradle of Serbian Orthodoxy into an abomination of desolation," one observed.
These sanctuaries have been scorched, not in time of battle, but five years after the media-saturated conflict. Nuns are left to live in burnt out boxcars. The Christian hallowed places have been sent into oblivion while UN protectorates are on site along with 18,000 NATO militia designated.
How can you make such an obviously false statement. I suppose they dont destroy statues of Buddah either. But they make a fuss over drawing Mohamed.
They just burn down the entire church. I suppose they could go in and remove all the pictures of Jesus or Moses but what do you think the chances of that are?
Meh, it'd take awhile before anything would happen. An obscure video like that needs to be found by the right kooks before it can become international news.Quote:
Originally Posted by master of the puppets
Of course, the right response would be exactly what's happening right now- nothing.
I assume he was talking about things burning during riots, ie. not in looting/wartime, where every religion/group of whatever focus on destroying all enemy icons of any kind. If the enemy is an opposing muslim faction and you're a different kind of muslim, you still burn his heathen/infidel/blasphemous mosque. If he's a different kind of christian than your own christianity, you still burn his heathen/infidel/blasphemous church to ground. If you're a marxist-leninist, you burn all of it. If you intend to kill a leninist, you topple his 100 foot statue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
It's an effective war/oppression-strategy, nothing else. However, when protesting against foreign powers in a at least semi-diplomatic fashion(I count rioting as a semi), then other rules apply.
Gawain:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I'm not much of an Islamist fan either but....
I think it's a little hard to "judge" all of Europe by the activities of pretty much any of the factions in the Southern Balkans. That region has been something of a basket case since the 1200's.
:stop: No fair bringing reason and rationed responses into this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Honestly, is anybody actually defending the guys that set Mohammed on fire and said these hateful things? I mean, defend their right to say them, sure, goes without saying. But is anybody taking offense when the 'free-speakers' are subjected to a 'free-speech-rebuttal'? I mean, if you want to say racist things, be my guest, but don't be surprised when you get called on it.
To the Muslim visitors in the Backroom, LEN et. al., please accept my apologies on behalf of whatever white-pseudo-Christian nutjobs were behind the masks on that video. They have not adopted the message of Christ nor do they represent a plurality opinion. We humor them, as we have found this is the best way to diffuse their moblike mentality, but by no means do we endorse these sentiments (well, most of us don't). As-salaamu Alaikum, and thank you for your patience. :bow:
Amen I say to you, Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Though I should not that your own stop sign should be reflexively applied.
Whos judging all of Europe he made a silly statement. That they dont burn these pictures. And dont tell me its limited to this.Quote:
I think it's a little hard to "judge" all of Europe by the activities of pretty much any of the factions in the Southern Balkans. That region has been something of a basket case since the 1200's
Wahabbis destroy Muslim holy sites
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT ANTIQUITIES
Does this sound familiar.
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The 53-meter (175-foot) tall, 2000-year-old Buddha statue located in Bamyan, about 150 kilometers (90 miles) west of the Afghan capital Kabul, is shown in November 28, 1997, file photo. Afghanistan's hardline Taliban rulers ordered the destruction, Monday of all statues as insulting Islam, including this, the world's tallest standing Buddha statue which was already damaged in fighting. The Taliban said they began to destroy the statues
Muslim Youths Destroy 10 Nigerian Churches
Malaysian Government Demolished Church Building
Churches in Global-South faces persecution.
Need I continue.?
So some radical extremists in Islam defaced some Christian, Muslim and Buddhist symbols, and you think that means Christians should respond by defacing some Islamic symbols and prove that they can be every bit as whacked out as the fringe elements in Islamic society?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Hmm... .... what is it about two wrongs again....:juggle2:
I didn't think you were Christian, anyway. Why are you so offended?
Some ? Its practiced by them around the world for centuries and it was far worse back then. Look what they did to Jerusalem.Quote:
So some radical extremists in Islam defaced some Christian, Muslim and Buddhist symbols, and you think that means Christians should respond by defacing some Islamic symbols and prove that they can be every bit as whacked out as the fringe elements in Islamic society?
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Honestly, is anybody actually defending the guys that set Mohammed on fire and said these hateful things?
You two can climb down off your high horses now. I made it perfectly clear why I posted this. I think these guys are idiots as well. I dont think any reigious icons of any faith should be disrespected in that manner. It seems however that Muslims do this quite often. More often than others.Quote:
Amen I say to you, Amen.
Offended?Quote:
I didn't think you were Christian, anyway. Why are you so offended?
Besides I showed you instances where they have desicrated almost every great religion on earth including their own.
Neither do 1000Quote:
Hmm... .... what is it about two wrongs again....
I must add this deeply saddens me I thought you knew me better than to accuse me of defending these people. I know this is the backroom but really. I can take it from the left but again this hurts.