This just happened about an hour and a half ago, I was watching BBC at the time. Thoughts?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6257194.stm
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This just happened about an hour and a half ago, I was watching BBC at the time. Thoughts?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6257194.stm
It's very strange.
although it does seem delibrate.
There is a chance that it is an accident though...
And on TV there's a guy who took down a guy from the car! Now that is a brave guy!
A flaming car crashes its way into an airport doorway. A day after bombs are discovered by nightclubs in london. Doubt it's an accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
If it were then why in the world did the men bother to waste time in a burning vehicle to guide it into the doorway? Instead of sensibly stoping and running out when it first caught on fire?
Doesn't look good. Maybe someone had one too many at the pub?
The question is; how will Britain respond to these attacks?
CR
Her Britannic Majesty's Government shall respond by invading and annexing a foreign country mildly connected with those people who crashed into the building.
However, the Scottish "government" (since it was a crime, and commited in Scotland and therefore under the jurisdiction of the Scottish "government") shall respond by saying everything is under control.
Invade China, after all they were Asians, weren't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Asians means Middle-eastern or Indian. Chinese means Chinese...
This was clearly an attack. Luckily, like yesterday, not by very bright terrorists. I wonder if there are any other imminent attacks planned. Each of the three so far were narrowly averted and could've cause major injury. :shame:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Rebuild the imperium!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Now, where's that darn east india trading company....
In the shed.
Given that there so far seem to have been zero injuries I'm not impressed, come on, if you're going to attack the UK you need to gut the centre of one of our cities or blow the top off Big Ben.
The IRA have desensitised us.
These are some dumb terrorists
Well I must say I like a lot of the responses in this topic .
Wigferth , Duke , Hore and Husar :2thumbsup:
edit...from CNN.....see they was just having a laugh , probably integrated too well as Govan schemies and dreamt up their terrorist spectacular over a couple too many of the purple tinnies washed down with Buckfast .Quote:
Witness Jackie Kennedy said a man got out of the car, went to the back and pulled out a can of fuel, which he poured on himself and ignited.
"The guy was in flames and seemed to be enjoying himself," Kennedy said.
I'd say it's just as likely, or more likely, that this is related to some random loonies having fun or some criminal stuff(gone bad), as terrorism.
we will keep catching or killing them.
with any luck, they will manage to kill themselves.
eventually the islamic militant ism will fade through failure, just in time for the next popular cause................ animal rights anyone?
I believe that this is the most significant terrorist attack in recent Scottish history (by dint of being the only I can recall) and suggests that the heavily London centric mentality of terrorists is possibly not as strong as it used to be. Plus its worth noting that it might have worked a lot better if they'd made the gas cylinders they apparently had explode, or if they'd actually had brains.
I'd be more worried now about follow up attacks in central England, where there are large muslim communities and where such incidents just aren't expected. Although thats partly because I'm going to London on holiday this July; better wear my bombproof undies. :sweatdrop:
Well it's reassuring to know our remaining bomber cells that have decided to act
appear to be wholly incompetent, isn't it? They must be shaking their heads in
disgust in Iraq.
This is almost as crazy as the time when all of those ice cream salesmen were murdering each other.
It will fade through many things .Quote:
eventually the islamic militant ism will fade through failure
No thanks...oh you mean the next big bogeyman ... I'm putting money on the Pastafarians going all fundamental and stepping up their piracy as a protest against his noodly greatness not being taken seriously , the word on the street is that they plan to attempt boarding Ken Hams planned reproduction of Noahs Ark and beheading the animatronic dinosaurs .Quote:
animal rights anyone?
Edit ... I bet ETA is really pissed off that their attempt at grabbing headlines at Ibiza airport isn't getting much coverage , bad timing eh .
Well, there was Lockerbie...though that one wasn't technically aimed at Scots.Quote:
Originally Posted by 71-hour Ahmed
Interesting that there are a number of botched 'terrorist' attacks right as the new PM takes over hm.. maybe its a 'youd better keep your troops in iraq' reminder from someone..
oops, this was supposed to be part of the last post:
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Brown Sweeps In On Staged Terror
Car Bomb Attacks Herald New Wave Of Strategy of Tension
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Saturday, June 30, 2007
The discovery of two unexploded car bombs in London and a bizarre incident today in which a flaming jeep was crashed at high speed into a terminal building at Glasgow Airport could herald a new wave of staged terror carefully timed to coincide with Prime Minister Gordon Brown's installation at Number 10.
The hysteria reached new heights this afternoon when a Jeep Cherokee ploughed into a terminal building at Glasgow Airport before two Asian men on fire exited and were tackled by holidaymakers and police.
Despite the fact that in both this incident and yesterday's events the cars involved were filled with nothing more deadly than gasoline, which is hardly a carnage-inducing explosive, the British government and the media have embarked upon a fresh assault of fearmongering and are hyping the inevitability that more attacks are imminent.
Gordon Brown has swept into Downing Street with the aid of a new injection of the strategy of tension.
V for Vendetta anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaknafien
:beam: lol :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
No , if you go with BKS and the ice cream war its V for Viennetta .Quote:
V for Vendetta anyone?
What fear mongering?
One newsie called them idiots.
These guys are boring, the IRA mortered 10 Downing Street, John Major was under the cabinet table with all his ministers!
Since 2001 they've pulled off one attack, which seems to have lost them their only four competant operatives and in those four blasts the total casualties were 52 dead 700 injured. That breaks down as 13 dead 166 injured per blast.
That's nasty but it caused little disruption or material damage and the per-blast casualties were worse in some PIRA or RIRA attacks.
From a purely callous point of view they're pathetic and no match for the home grown terrorists we had to deal with for thirty years.
A bit like a 99 without the steps.
you should hear the American news--its insane. "RUN!! TERRORISTS!"
Im reminded of the south park episode where everyone is running away from global warming.. lol
People really do not like the new PM do they?
i mean damn...i know he's scottish an all but driving a car into a scottish airport is a bit extreme dont you think?
I dunno, hitting John Lennon airport might be seen as doing the nation a favour. :laugh4:
Mindst you, they'd have to quick to get that merc past the scousers! :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
:oops: :laugh4: :laugh4:
They can still manually push the merc into the building if the chromes disappeared while they were looking the other way. Of course, if they started their journey in Essex, their stereo would have been nicked even before they came within range of the scousers. Actually, since such a journey covers such a distance, are we certain the car burst into flames as it was approaching Glasgow airport? I'd have thought the mancunians would have set it alight long before it crossed the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
lol
You tell 'em, Tony!
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Blair launches stinging attack on 'absurd' British Islamists
Tony Blair has launched a powerful attack on 'absurd' British Islamists who have nurtured a false 'sense of grievance' that they are being oppressed by Britain and the United States.
In his most outspoken remarks on Islamists, the former Prime Minister warns that Britain is in danger of losing the battle against terrorists unless mainstream society confronts the threat.
Blair's remarks, in which he also attacks some civil liberty campaigners as 'loopy loo', were made in a Channel 4 documentary recorded last Tuesday on the eve of his departure from Downing Street.
'The idea that as a Muslim in this country that you don't have the freedom to express your religion or your views, I mean you've got far more freedom in this country than you do in most Muslim countries,' Blair told Observer columnist Will Hutton, who presents the documentary.
'The reason we are finding it hard to win this battle is that we're not actually fighting it properly. We're not actually standing up to these people and saying, "It's not just your methods that are wrong, your ideas are absurd. Nobody is oppressing you. Your sense of grievance isn't justified."'
Gotta wonder why claims by the dominant majority that no ostracization of minorities exist, rarely seem to find too much support among those selfsame minorities though...
I was damned disappointed today. A friend an I were going to visit HMS Exeter docked at the King George V Wharf in Dundee Port, only to find it was close for security after this Glasgow business! Psh!
Gotta wonder how many people are happy with their current situation in general to put that into perspective.(and I don't know any numbers, just saying)Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
When you get some trying to blow stuff/people up (or otherwise engage in acts of violence) it tends to be an unmistakable sign that something gives somewhere. No smoke without fire, as it were.
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Originally Posted by Watchman
Maybe its because these Islamists are convincing muslim immigrants that they are downtrodden not because they are poor, unassimilated, unskilled and often times not even fluent, but because Western society is keeping them down.
Yes, of course. It's always those people at fault, not us. Sorry. How could I forget.
So not. That's not how an audience responsive to extremist agitation comes into existence.
Well what would you have us do? We translate documents into Arabic, allow Muslims schools, unheard of a decade ago, Muslim Community Centres, The Muslim Council of Great Britain.
We don't require that you know English before entering the country and I think I'm right in saying you can still bring over all your dependants.
The reason we have problems is because of the speed with which this is happening, a cultural group totally unlike the indiginour population is immigrating en masse and as a result ghetto communities without real links to outside Britain have sprung up.
Inside those communities the extremists can raise hell and point to "them" outside.
What we need is immigration control.
What you need is real integration. Official policies help but sort of don't cut it if the consensus among Joe and Jane Averages is alla Fragony.
'Course, Western societies are kinda hip deep in **** Creek without a paddle themselves, what with all this globalization stuff and socioeconimic changes, so it's not terribly surprising the immigrants get handed the wrong end of the stick in the process.
You've got to be kidding me. Britain bends over backwards to accommodate a people that have made it blatantly clear that they have no intention of ever integrating, and you blame it on the prejudicial views of the average middle classer? Oh, he hurt my feelings... he doesn't speak Arabic and he laughs about us down at the pub.... ~:mecry: Maybe i need to epxress my outrage with a car bomb... Give me a freaking break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Reality check...:idea2:
Zak, why don't you try not spinning for once. I'm watching the same news you are and other than the usual "special report" (translation, the news department is getting a bonanza and preempting coverage) it's actually been pretty quiet. Maybe you're wetting your drawers, but I haven't seen it anywhere else.
And of course, it must be George W Bush again.. God, you with the half-baked conspiracy theories (actually, your proclamations need to come a long way to aspire to being half-baked).
While we're at it, which is it? The US press always takes it in the shorts for not covering events in other countries very well, then when they do, you have us all waving the white flag and panicking like a bunch of little girls.
Sorry gang, Zak's just sucking up to you and telling you what you want to hear so you'll like him better. News of the panic attacks gripping America at large are greatly exaggerated.
Oh, this was done by muslims? Huh, really? Unbelievable. :book:
Hey dave look on the bright side , it makes a nice change from having republicans and white supremacists bombing Britain doesn't it , you need a bit of variety in life eh .Quote:
Oh, this was done by muslims? Huh, really? Unbelievable.
Agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Latest news-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6261076.stm
Tv news just reported one of the drivers was a doctor.
This worries me deeply...now we have fundementalist doctors...people who have taken an oath to do no harm. Makes you wonder if they wont ''acidentally'' be making a few mistakes here and there when treating people...
The muslim extreme wont be happy until some nut job party gets into power and starts removing people from their homes at night...that is the only thing car bombs and such is going to achieve...
As to the people who they have in custody already...if they are found guilty they should hang...send a message to these a-holes that Britain (especially the public) wont tolerate this kind of crap.
I wouldnt even mind so much if these bombers had the balls to target military facilities or other state apparatus but oh no we'll go for the nightclub...how heroic...
I have certain problems understanding the idea of capital punishement serving as a deterrent to would-be suicide bombers (like the Glasgow idiots apparently were). Kind of like having attempted suicide punishable by death, in the peculiar manner of some legislations of bygone times...
Sounds more like knee-jerk petty vindictiveness to me.
you must not watch Fox... lol
I don't have a TV. And even if I did, can you imagine someone with a worldview like mine wasting his time with Fox ? Now that'd be the day...
I believe he was addressing his remark to me, when I said I hadn't seen a nation of bedwetters panicking and shrieking in terror like he described in the thread earlier. As I said, I strongly suspect Zak said that because it plays well, not because it's accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Possible, but without a quote it's difficult to tell you know ?
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Death however would be a very good deterrent to the failed suicide bomber who will get out of jail (short of life imprisonment actually meaning life) perhaps to try again or teach/finance/supply others or lord knows what other warm and cuddely acts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Added bonus of not having to feed and keep the scum too.
Out of curiosity, IRA terrorists and such weren't executed either were they ? Even the ones who succeeded in blowing people up...
Is it just me, or is there a whiff of dividing people into Us and Them Subhuman Raghead Scum in the air around such populist demands...?
Wierd world isn't it , back in the days when they had the death penaltythey executed a bunch of muppets who had very little popular support and magicly turned them into really popular "heroes"Quote:
Out of curiosity, IRA terrorists and such weren't executed either were they ?
Well there was lots of talk about bringing back the death penalty specialy for the terrorists , you know for things like bombing airportrs trainstations shops officeblocks and all that , really lots of calls for it to be brought back when they blow up pubs and stuff , luckily they didn't because they had a habit of getting dodgy convictions against the wrong people , but hey they was Irish so they must have been one of those people right .
Something really wierd happened in the end though , they talked to the murderers and the bombing stopped .
Strange eh
Well-meaning official policies aren't worth a badly drawn four-dollar bill if the practical reality is prejudice and ostracization in daily life. People only learn to be with people if they are with people, and that goes for immigrants in a new land just as much as growing kids. Poor sods already have their platters full dealing with culture shock, language barrier and trying to get a life started; getting welcomed with thinly veiled (if not open) hostility doesn't exactly encourage anyone to try to "fit in" so to speak, but instead encourages them to turn inwards towards their own "peer-group". Unemployement (which already plagues the natives who don't have the additional handicaps immigrants and "foreigners" have to deal with on the job market), poverty and ghettoisation only heighten the effects, doubly so as the natives tend to have a bad tendency to avoid moving into the same neighbourhoods. Throw in the extra problems of the younger generations and post-11/9 discrimination, and you've got one damn toxic soup ready for serving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
People make their own decisions in life certainly, but they do not make them in a void. They make them on the basis of interaction with their surroundings and their personal history, and a sense of aliention and general malaise has ever been a fertile ground for extremist agitation everywhere; most particularly among angry young men. Whether it manifests as unarticulated, pointless disturbance, such as gang violence and petty crime, or takes more severe and organized forms, such as militant radicalism for one "higher cause" or another (think Bader-Meinhof and similar groups, or the street-level following of both the extreme Right and Left between the World Wars for classic examples), or leads the individual to seek spiritual salvation in weird fringe cults, some combination of the above or something entirely different, of course depends on the indivudual and his circumstances. But the point is such vague unease and sense of embitterement will out, one way or another. First it of course appears in for some reason particularly troubled, bitter and/or unstable individuals; God forbid the discontent reach the level of popular mobilization...
And of course when the brown stuff hits the fan the intolerant, whose attitudes have greatly contributed to the emergence of the problem in the first place, then starg piously exclaiming how much we have done for them and how dreafully uncooperative and demanding they are and didn't we say so and...
:dizzy2:
Kinda like Bush apologists who first cheer the Iraq cluster**** to the point of no return, and then haughtily demand the naysayers (whom they have thus far variously ignored or insulted) come up with better ideas after they've themselves sent the whole thing to Hell in a handbasket.
Fair enough, but do you require they learn it afterwards ? If not, that's probably a bad idea - immigrant minorities are prone enough to introvercy in the face of culture shock (and the nigh-invariable cold shoulder of the natives) already without the language barrier...Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
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Originally Posted by Watchman
The really sad thing is quite a few are in Northern Ireland's Government through Sinn Fein.
Every terrorist of either side was released through the Good Friday agreement, though some are back in because they are bad little boys but thats only a tiny minority.
Is it a really a sad thing?
Dunno about you, but I have no problem with onetime militant radicals settling down and pursuing their aims through legal nonviolent political channels in their old days. Or would you prefer they were still building bombs in some basement somewhere, perhaps ?
I think you are assuming all the would be terrorists are of the brown shirt category... I think some are more educated and deadly and what I term the black shirts... such as the average education level of the 9/11 bomber, Osama himself (hardly dirt poor and uneducated) ...Surgeons are not on the whole poorly educated either, or destined to have a poor bank account either. So we can't just say it is poverty that is doing it as a lot of the terrorists aren't poor. Also some of them are married and have children too so its not like they don't have something better to liver for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
And if unemployment is the reason for some why didn't we see the whole of the north of England have an uprising with the massive unemployment when the steel industry collapsed.
Nor can you blame immigration when some of the guys have only recently turned up and by looks of it solely for one thing, to kill other people in the name of some meme suite.
At some point personal responsibility has to be taken for ones actions.
The "white collar" level is in no way immune to these mechanisms - indeed, they are far more like to go down the radical/terrorist path than the underclass, which usually lacks the acumen to channel their frustrations in such comparatively sophisticated fashion. The ghetto boys tend to engage in aimless violence, vandalism and rioting instead unless recruited by some suitable populist movement; the modern urban equivalent of Medieval banditry.
The leaders of radical movements have always had a tendency to be from the educated, middle-class or above layers of society. They have enough of an analytical toolbox to articulate their bitterness and anxieties into some kind of cause. Just for an example, most of the founding members of the Rote Arme Fraktion were very much members of the educati.
Same thing here. The truly dispossessed, such as the youths of the French immigrant ghettoes, manage little more than pointless street violence and huliganism to vent their ire. The British doctor becomes a member of a terrorist cell and starts building bombs in the Qaidaist fashion.
Hence the meaning of my thread earlier that was closed. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Except he wasn't British. :wall:
He was living there right? He was treating Brits right? He wanted to bomb you guys right? He was working in your medical system right? Close enough. Now thats a healthcare system; not only do they treat you, but they also cause you to use the system!!!:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
It had a meaning ???????wowQuote:
Hence the meaning of my thread earlier that was closed.
Errrrrr...the only person who they caused to use they caused system was the nutter who set himself on fire :dizzy2:Quote:
not only do they treat you, but they also cause you to use the system!!!
Still it could have been worse , they could have been training in the UK to fly planes eh , listing their address as a military base or something simple like that .
I assume he had citizenship though ? Outta general curiosity, any info of whether he was practicing before embarking on a new, challenging and embarassingly unsuccesful career as a terrorist ?Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
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Originally Posted by Watchman
I think the Hippocratic Oath sorta got in the way. It explains alot.