Possible New TW games

I know that this is going to be some time in the future, and that Sega and its all little pixies Have no plans at the moment, but what possibles are there?

Personally I'd like a WW1 TW ,

How would that work?

Well campain works more or less simular, but battle changes are quite large

Instead having to attack when you tell your army to do so, you can alternatively tell them to entrench there position, (If you have artillary and enemy are entrencing then they would lose some troops) the longer you decide to entrench, the more fortified your position becomes, until you give the order to attack, then they will jump out of your little trenches and go attack (of course you can order them around)

How ever Sega proberly has other ideas, I personally hope they don't go and do WW2 since its over used

A good WWI game would be nice. There are some good mods for HOI2, for instance, but so far--to the best of my limited knowledge--there is not a stand-alone game directly for WWI. I'd be psyched to hear about one. Although I don't know how the traditional TW engine/style would work with a trench warfare, static lines and machine gun oriented game. It'd be interesting.

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Surely you mean what TW game will the Creative Assembly make next, not SEGA as SEGA do not make the games.

I think they will make a rome total war 2 and sega pays for the game and final decision is theirs if they don't like the idea the game doesn't get fiananced

Meh, Sega is out for money, and they know Total War games sell. So, they would support CA in the next game.

Me, I hope for RTW2. WW1, I think, would not be their highest priority, because it is supposed to be a strategy game, and strategy wasn't very important in WW1 (at least, from what I understand of it). I mean, from what I learned, most of what they did was just signal the charge, and lead the men into bloodbaths...

WW2 is over used, but that's mainly FPS/RTS games, not Total War game style (campaign and battle modes).

BTW, isn't there the same kind of thread, about 5 threads down?

It wont be world war game you can be sure of that, that niche is already well filled and CA have seen they can make money from their underpopulated genre.

Id bet rometotalwar 2 or perhaps a bold move into the gunpowder eras but not sure which.

Personally id like to see shogun 2 but i really dont think theres enough units there now for a totalwar game!

A WWI TW would be interesting. I anticipate a S2TW.


EDIT: but cogitation estimates NTW.

napoleonic is the most likely because they haven't done that yet and while I would love a world war 1 strategy game I don't think the total war engine would be good for it.:smg: Oh yeah, and I was just curious If you read my post about starting a poll about this or whether you came up with the idea on your own.

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napoleonic is the most likely because they haven't done that yet (...)

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This does not compute.

Its too soon for another rome and CA obvioulsly thought that medieval was better for a remake then shogun so I doubt they'll do a shogun 2

Napoleonic Total War all the way!...of course, it wouldn't be nearly as interesting as Polish War of Succession Total War....

All Hail King Jan Sobieski!:2thumbsup:

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Napoleonic Total War all the way!

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I don't think so -- you can't do Napoleonic war without some serious ships going at it. How can you have Napoleonic Total War without Trafalgar? I love the TW games, but they're more about land-based conquest. How about China Total War? The Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period would fit the bill ...

Ship battles will probably be one of the major upgrades that CA makes to the game no matter what scenario the new game will be in.

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

Ship battles will probably be one of the major upgrades that CA makes to the game no matter what scenario the new game will be in.

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i completley agree, no matter what the next game is. they know some sort of naval action would bring in alot more money do to the demand of it from games such as MTW, RTW, and MTW2. And I dont think the WW games could ever be succesful..but thats my opinion:beam:

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Its too soon for another rome and CA obvioulsly thought that medieval was better for a remake then shogun so I doubt they'll do a shogun 2

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It still does not compute. How remarkable a speculation it may be, it does not tell truth.

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Originally Posted by Lemur

I don't think so -- you can't do Napoleonic war without some serious ships going at it. How can you have Napoleonic Total War without Trafalgar? I love the TW games, but they're more about land-based conquest. How about China Total War? The Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period would fit the bill ...

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i think this would be cool and maybe even add some nations outside of china on the edges that the player could easily role play with of the nation wanting to take China over while it's distracted by civil war (for those who enjoy roleplaying or perhaps want a nation besides China)

Personally I would prefer an Asian/Far East total war game, as people have proposed in the other thread in this forum.
If you include China, India and all the Islands of the Indonesian archipelago, you would have a wide area of map to play on, and many different factions and units to choose from.(polynesian war canoes anyone?).
I think that controllable naval battles would be a welcome addition too. And for gods sake an improved AI please:idea2:

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I would really like to see a new Shogun, but it's unlikely since they now have a choice between doing STW or RTW again. Rome 2 would be more popular, therefore it would make more cash, so CA (:daisy:) would probably go for RTW2...

Or perhaps a game based around the time of the huge Muslim expansions 700 - 900 AD. A map with more emphasis on the middle east and even india could be included but of course you would still need to be able to invade Spain and refight the battles in France. It would be similar to MTW but instead of the main focus being on the Christian nations (which were very disunited at this time) it would be on the Muslims.

I'd like to see a game that isn't centred on Europe, given that 3 of CA's 4 TW games have been (x-packs not included). I think something covering Asia would make an interesting change.

I voted "GAHH" as with Med2 I've lost all faith in CA and SEGA to produce an engaging RTS game that I'd like, yes, I bought M2 but played it twice (as in two sessions...not full games), hated every moment of it, couldnt get immersed in the "feel" of the game and didnt think the graphics were much of an improvement to Rome.

I loved Rome, I loved MTW and STW...

...I do like the suggestion of a Dynasty China based game. Apart from that a Neapolionic game seems the more natural progression, if they go back to Rome I'd have to say "double, treble GAHH!" as that's just a cash-in, cop-out. I doubt a WWI game would work to the form we'd like as the battles would be far too close to others available now on the market with only the turn-based campaign section being "new" in the gaunre.

Since M2, I've moved away from these forums and haven't picked up M2 and keep playing Rome or MTW...I'm keeping an eye here though as I "hope" CA will/can produce a decent RTS again and realise that populating a game with unsyncronised animations, sun flare, non-clone troops and other graphical "tweaks" do not maketh a good game when the core game is still borning and contrived.

...I never got over the time compression thing...sorry. :no:

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Originally Posted by WarHeart88

I would really like to see a new Shogun, but it's unlikely since they now have a choice between doing STW or RTW again. Rome 2 would be more popular, therefore it would make more cash, so CA (may all their puppies die terrible, terrible deaths) would probably go for RTW2...

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Ohh gods I don't want a RTW2. We just had RTW The Classic, and its engine is almost exactly the same as the "new" MTW2 engine ('cept for some 3D stuff, yeah yeah). Why ohh why would they re-do it? Talk about a waste of time. I don't think that would sell very well at all, considering that they just released it! And you mentioned the greed factor inherent in video game making, so no, they won't do RTW2.

Of course, I've been wrong before and people are always doing really stupid things...

Napoleonic Era is still the most likely, I think, but I'd still like a WWI game, falsely assumed lack of strategy aside.

I think the next one will most likely be Rome 2 Total War. The reason for my assumption is that Medieval Total War was such a hit that a sequel was appropriate for it, as is Rome Total War a hit. So a sequel to Rome would be:

1) Very deserving since it kinda revolutionised the Total War franchise

2) VERY COOL and I would like to see what time frame they had in mind

It would be appropriate in the sense that Swords and steel make better strategy than guns like a "WW1 Total War", as was mentioned earlier. In my opinion, Total War should stick to the old styles of Warfare like the raming of ships and boarding them, visible controllable sea battle instead of always automating it!! :furious3: , and a good old fashioned sword in the stomach. Sorry my views on guns were a tad wrong, I meant not acceptable guns as in the ones that actually did what was intended around 1900's, the guns of the medieval era are acceptable because of the fact they tended to blow up in the users face. :laugh4:
Ok not funny... however I understand that others may disagree with me and say that a WW1 Total war game would be fantasitc, but I think if it were weighed up, like the vote above lol, I think that Rome 2 Total War would win soley because Medieval is becoming an "milked" era, for example WW2 games have been DONE TO DEATH!!! that is "Milked". Don't get me wrong I love the Medieval era is great I'd still go out, buy and play another medieval total war game but preferrably, I'd choose the Rome era/ franchise

lol I wonder how many others agree with me... :sweatdrop:

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Ohh gods I don't want a RTW2. We just had RTW The Classic, and its engine is almost exactly the same as the "new" MTW2 engine ('cept for some 3D stuff, yeah yeah). Why ohh why would they re-do it? Talk about a waste of time. I don't think that would sell very well at all, considering that they just released it! And you mentioned the greed factor inherent in video game making, so no, they won't do RTW2.

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The M2TW engine has never been considered 'new' - its acknowledged that its basically an enhanced RTW engine, in the same way that MTW1 used an enhanced STW engine.

Presumably CA (UK) have been working on the next "fully new" engine iteration while CA (Aus) were busy developing M2TW, so hopefully the next TW game will be significantly advanced over RTW/M2TW, in the same way that RTW was a huge advance over STW/MTW.

Having said that i also think its far too soon for R2TW. While its a very historically rich period i dont think it made for very interesting gameplay.

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Napoleonic Era is still the most likely, I think, but I'd still like a WWI game, falsely assumed lack of strategy aside.

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I think the main problem with a WWI type of game is that the scale of engagements is on a totally different level to that of the rest of the TW series. Youre not dealing with engagements between armies of a couple of thousand men any more, youre dealing with entire fronts stretching 100's of kilometers with hundreds of thousands of men engaging in battle simultaneously.

I agree that there would still be plenty of strategy to be had, but there's not much in terms of tactical battles - which is the raison d'etre of the TW series.

I think napoleonic would be the obvious next step - similar scale of engagements to what we're used to, shorter timescales (i would estimate 1 month per turn would be a sensible rate), and hopefully full naval battles. I'd buy it.

I would like to see a Renaissance TW. This would start where MTW finishes and could go onto say 1789. Lots of conflict through the whole period, loads of tech improvements, plenty of religion with the possibility of Catholics becoming Protestants. I think that to go beyond 1789 would be difficult for the TW system as technologies change too quickly and the concept of a nation at arms/ large armies etc does not work well with TW. There is a mod for MTW which does cover this period, so you do have a head start.

I think Lemur's setting of ancient China set in the Ten Kingdoms period is the most likely, followed closely by a Napoloenic game. I would peg some sort of fantasy title as a distant third, but I don't think we'll see anything like that for a while yet.

A TW game set in the modern period (including both World Wars) would be a grave mistake. As King Kurt pointed out, technological development would be too rapid for a game like that to be enjoyable. Doing so would also move away from Total War's traditional (and successful) formula of huge armies clashing in melee combat -- if I want to play a game where men mostly die from shooting at each other, I can pick up any of the zillion WW2 titles that are out there.

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I don't think so -- you can't do Napoleonic war without some serious ships going at it. How can you have Napoleonic Total War without Trafalgar? I love the TW games, but they're more about land-based conquest. How about China Total War? The Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period would fit the bill ...

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but why did the NTW mod for MTW/RTW have quite a sucess,yet they didn't have ships?.

I have to put RTW 2 because even though I don't like RTW I do love EB and with RTW 2 hopefully comes EB 2, i'd also like to see a WW 1/2 TW game or maybe 20th Century TW.

Maybe not a well known period of history but how about a kind of Old Testament Total War. Say around the Invasions of the Sea Peoples(have to decide who they were but hey), End of the Egyptian New Kingdom:wall: :whip: :egypt: / Myceneans, Introduction of Iron Weapons, Moses, The Trojans, Assyrians, Philistines, Nubians etc etc

:book: not an especially well documented period of history with lots of continuing debate but creative assembly could definitely have a lot of fun with it. :book:

the world wars will never work too many millions of troops in action and a completely different gamestyle. I really dont want to revisit ANY OF THE ERAS PLEASE SEGA. Please make an ancient greece tw with all the city states the persian empire and ....................... NAVAL BATTLES! PLEASE would be so awesome to implement naval battles into the ancient greece peroid.

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Maybe not a well known period of history but how about a kind of Old Testament Total War. Say around the Invasions of the Sea Peoples(have to decide who they were but hey), End of the Egyptian New Kingdom:wall: :whip: :egypt: / Myceneans, Introduction of Iron Weapons, Moses, The Trojans, Assyrians, Philistines, Nubians etc etc

:book: not an especially well documented period of history with lots of continuing debate but creative assembly could definitely have a lot of fun with it. :book:

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I agree an ancient world total war would be really cool. You could play as early greeks, egyptians, babylonians, etc.

Neanderthal:TotalWar.

Where it all began.

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Neanderthal:TotalWar.

Where it all began.

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LoL!

But no factions...

Well, I agree with some opinions about ships.
Personally, I want a 1rst WW game. Imagine Fokkers against tanks!

Yea ww1:tw would be nice

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Please make an ancient greece tw with all the city states the persian empire and ....................... NAVAL BATTLES! PLEASE would be so awesome to implement naval battles into the ancient greece peroid.

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Yes..! Trouble is, people might see it as too similar to RTW :no:

I have to go for the Napoleonic idea - It would give CA an equal opportunityto expand on naval TW.

Ok, I've already espoused this idea on many a 'new tw game' threads, but here it is again.

Mongol: Total War. Begin right at the beginning of the Mongol unification under Chinggis Khaan. There would be India, Mongols, three different Chinese dynasties, Japan, Korea, Khzwarzmians, Abbasids, Mamelukes, Russians, Volga Bulgars, Cumans, and Ottomans. In addition, I'm sure that there are other peoples that I'm not aware of that can be incorporated as well. Lets see the Mongols in a prime spotlight for once, instead of as the 'terrible invaders'.

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I agree an ancient world total war would be really cool. You could play as early greeks, egyptians, babylonians, etc.

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...or Mitanni, Hittite, Minoan, Nubian, Sabaean?, Greek states, Phoenician, Libyan etc etc plus a dozen minor kingdoms. One innovasion that CA need to develop for that stage in time is one-on-one combat, the ability to take control of a single soldier on the field (read commander), realistic sea battles is a must AND the ability to found new settlements (think of all the Greek and Phoenician colonies).

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...or Mitanni, Hittite, Minoan, Nubian, Sabaean?, Greek states, Phoenician, Libyan etc etc plus a dozen minor kingdoms. One innovasion that CA need to develop for that stage in time is one-on-one combat, the ability to take control of a single soldier on the field (read commander), realistic sea battles is a must AND the ability to found new settlements (think of all the Greek and Phoenician colonies).

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hmmm, Ancient TW.... Now that's a game I'd surely buy :egypt:

What about a Lord of the Rings Total War?:egypt:

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What about a Lord of the Rings Total War?:egypt:

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Play a mod then!

A game complete with all the big musket wars like the English Civil War, American Revolution/Civil War, Maori Land Wars, Napoleon War, Boer War etc. would be pretty cool, something around the Gun Powder Age. Don't know how that would turn out into one game although, may be difficult (map wise). Anything 20th century is a definiate no no.

A WW1 or WW2 would be so great but hard to make.I would like to command tanks ,fire throwers or poisonous gas,fight tranche wars .This would be nice.

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Yes..! Trouble is, people might see it as too similar to RTW :no:

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And that's because Rome was a sort of renaissance of ancient Greece.
But I think it would be a good game, lots of warring greek cities and the bigger factions, Persia and Egypt.
GIVE MOAR ELEPHANTS!! :P

I personally hope for rome totalwar 2, i find the medieval period boring roman times were so much more interesting!

WW1 would be sure a best seller,but the engine would be hard to make and i don't think CA has the resources or the knowledge to make it.I don't think they would risk making the game.Personally i don't like CA.

I haven't posted here recently, MTW 2 was a huge success in my eyes, and a great game, nothing to complain about. Fixed all my gripes with Rome.

Anyhow, I said none of the above. I want a China: Total War. Three Kingdoms period for extra win.

If its Generic Fantasy: Total War, I won't buy it.

Edit: this is more "what you think it will be", after further reading, but oh well, I'm putting what I want.

I want RTW2 or STW2 in the Rome engine. And, of course, less bugs.

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I want RTW2 or STW2 in the Rome engine. And, of course, less bugs.

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That would be cool...

RTW2!!! Because I waiting for it. With no bugs, incresed HC Limits, and DX10 !!!~D
(DX-joke)

And of course new super-puper engine

I believe rome totalwar 2 would be the most logical step and for me its the most interesting era by far and suits the gameplay perfectly.

Heres hoping!

I think it would be interesting to have one of a few games. I think it would be interesting to see a China Total War or an American Revolution. I loved STW but i am affraid that wouldn't be too fun the second time around but I could be completely wrong on that.

Napoleonic TW has been mentioned several times as the "natural" progression but I beg to differ. "The Age of Imperialism" beginning with the Portuguese and Spanish voyages of discovery, initiated by Prince Henry "the Navigator" of Portugal circa 1420 would be a good starting point for an Imperialism TW. The time frame could run from 1420 to 1871 (Franco-Prussian War), about the same number of years as MTW/M2TW. If that's too long, it could be shortened to 1492 - 1815.

After 1871, warfare becomes overly mechanized and industrial for the current TW engine. Long-range artillery fire and rifled breech-loading guns, machine guns, snipers, aircraft, chemical weapons, railroads, automobiles, etc. would introduce too many complex battle and strategic game mechanics, not to mention a vast battlefield too large for most PCs.

The bottom-line though, for Sega/CA is profitability, of course. The equation for profitability could be something like: M/E = P (Market divided by Effort = Profitability).

If M is large then E can be large. If M is small, however, P can still be large as long as E is very small.

Small or Medium E:
STW2, RTW2, MTW3, Imperialism (or Age of Discovery) TW 1420 - 1650, Ancient (pre-Roman/Alexander), Dark Ages (AD 450 - 1050). My personal favorite, Imperialism 1420 - 1650 would encompass the Thirty Years War, The War of the Three Kingdoms, the Japanese Civil War and invasion of Korea, and the rise of the Manchus (Ching Dynasty), early wars in the Americas, and the Age of Discovery.

Large E, Large M:
Napoleonic TW, Imperialism II (1651 - 1871), WW1.

As I see it, easy money can be made by churning out small E games like STW2, RTW2, MTW2, Age of Discovery 1420 - 1650. This is a formula that is typical of most game software companies.

M2TW, IMO, was a Medium Effort game since the battle engine was not changed very much. Now that it's done, more profit can be extracted from it by turning out more games using it as the base (such as Kingdoms).

Of the Large E games, I would think the Napoleonic TW would be the first shot, followed by Imperialism II 1651 - 1871 using that new engine.

I fully expect a string of Small E, then Medium E games to be churned out, with the first Large E game not out for another couple of years to give time for PC technology to get better and cheaper.

Long Live TW!

- Crash

Well, since no one's advocated it yet, I'll put out the argument for a fantasy Total War.

I realize that the current games' calling card has been their attempts at staying as close as possible to real, while maintaining an environment that is fun to play in. Why, then, would CA change this and develop a game that is purely fantasy?

One reason would be to express their creativity. When you put a group of highly intelligent people together and then ask them to be creative about a specific area, they can do well - but I'm sure they want to try their hands at some of their own I.P., eventually.

Also, when you look at one of the recent, highly successful franchises [Lord of the Rings], you see a fantasy world that is based not on how much magic they could suffuse the world with, but how much magic J.R.R. Tolkien could take away while still having Middle Earth be a believable place. What resulted was one of the most believable and well "crafted" worlds that the fantasy genre has seen to date, and there's hardly a spell cast.

Thus, you could replace the "Greeks" with the "Orcs" and not just that, but you could replace the Greeks with the "Mountain Orcs", and the Romans with the "Sea Orcs", etc. etc.

The challenge, with this, is that we don't care about no stinking Orcses. With history, especially the Roman and Medieval Eras, CA tapped into pre-built societal loves. We've romanticized these periods of history, and we all love to hear the stories of how "so and so" conquered "so and so" in "such and such a place" [insert your personal favorites into the quoted variables]. So, they didn't have to give us cut scenes - merely throw the names at us, and we were hooked.

With a world all their own, they would have to give us a reason to care about these races. They'd have to develop believable histories, give us narratives that we could participate in and change, give us people that we can fall in love with or hate, just as we have fallen in love with and hate "real historical figures".

In short, I would LOVE to see CA build a fantasy universe and set a Total War game inside of it, but it would be massive amounts of work on their part, and I can't blame them if they choose to leave it alone until they can use more powerful computers to make the world graphically believable in order to connect us more with the characters and factions that they've built.

Yes, there are many TW players who would be against a Fantasy TW. I would have been one of them until I realized that all the TW games are fantasy anyway, only cloaked in historical clothes and labels.

If SEGA/CA chooses to make some more money off the M2TW engine with a foray into the Fantasy realm I would not be shocked. After all, it's not such a great leap from the so-called authentic history to historical fiction or to admittedly fantasy kingdoms, heroes, princesses, warriors, spies, priests, and creatures and whatnot.

For now though, M2TW is more than enough for me for unless some reeally interesting variation develops. Personally I would like to see the strategic game more rationalized with a few basic improvements such as more realistic time and movement scales, more than one town or castle per province or smaller provinces.

Long live TW!

The rough period of 500- to 1500+ is, and have always been, the most interesting period in history. Getting the eras from MTW back is also necessary IMO. That way, you could have several games in one: a super early campaign focusing on the Justinian era, another early campaign with the Muslim expansion and the establishment of the Frankish kingdom(s), and then the original Early (roughly 1066), High (1200) and Late (1350) from MTW.

Second would be a new Rome, just to not get repetative. Of course, an entire game set in Europe strictly during the period 476 - 1066 would also be interesting. Anyway, the medieval and antiquity fans are the most common ones, and it's a game meant to sell after all, so I guess (and hope) it's either a new medieval game or a new Rome.

Asia total war! Factions are China, India, Japan, Korea, Mongolia , Turks , probably a couple of South-east Asian factions. Years 1206-1644!

To add on, China get huge numbers of troops per unit as historically China was densely populated but lack good gunpowder units with artillery such as trebuchets that fired thundercrash bombs. India get elephants, units such as chakram throwers, heres a link if you dont what it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakram, huge numbers of course with other units that I can't think of. Mongols have the best missile cavalry while having horrible infantry. Korea, Im not so sure. Turks, no change from M2TW, Japan get ninjas, samurai. Map will be huge with many rebel provinces and main religions are Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism.

Hi all,My first choice would be RTW2 love this period,My second choice an american civil war mod.It could be made fairly easily,The single shot musket for the infantry,napolean brass cannons and parrot guns cavalry widely used.mellee with the bayonet.Now i know the time span of the conflict was only 4 years but if you could set the turns say weekly for short campaign,and daily for a real historic type of campaign that be cool,just my thoughts.regards magpie.

I'd like to see the next TW game as a Napoleonic period, with expansions focusing on the british empire in india, and the carribean. Possibly with another expansion based on the american war of independence!

I'd like to see either a RTW2 or Napoleonic TW. :2thumbsup:

Napoleonic TW couldnt be done, as the Lordz have the idea, unless they given permission.

I'm really hoping its asian with the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese.

I'd take an Ancient total war (Babylon, Assyria, Persia, Greece, etc) over a Rome 2, though.

I would like to see a total war game in an asian setting. Western europe is too overused in my opinion. I wouldn't mind seeing a fantasy total war as long as it didn't end up being extremely cliched. You known, dwarves with lots of close combat units, elves with lots of ranged units, humans with no advantages in any way (they don't suck, their "versatile"). Although I would like to see a playable centaur race. They would have to work with only cavalry because they technically are cavalry!:idea2:

Problem with fantasy these days is that its rarely fantastic. For every Morrowind out there, there a billion neverwinter nights.

I don't have a problem with fantasy per se, but its rarely more than just a couple of reused "races", each representing a simplified human idea or culture. The real thing is almost always more interesting.