Assassin mafia (ultra mini game)

Roles:

1 King
4 Guards
1 Assassin

The assassin wins if he kills the king, the guards lose if the king dies. The guards are know who the king is, the king does not know who the guards are or who the assassin is, and the assassin doesn't know who any of them are. At any time the assassin may post "Kill:player" and if that person is the king then the assassin wins and escapes with his life. If that person is not the king then the assassin is executed and the guards win. When the assassin is lynched he gets to make one kill, if successful he wins the game even though he will be killed...it's a suicide mission. There is no nighttime and no night kills. If the king is lynched the assassin also wins. Obviously the guards will have to balance risking the kings lynch with revealing who the king is.

Normal rules apply.

Signed up:
Omanes
GH
WH
Andres
Dutch Guy
Louis

Obviously, the game could be easily broken by the guards pm'ing the king to prove their innocence, so there will be zero out of thread communication

Days last unlimited time, majority to lynch, no unvoting after majority has been reached.

If you post"kill:player" and are not the assassin, you will be modkilled.

Here is the guard pm:

Title: Assassin Mafia
Text: You are a guard. The king is player.
Time sent: 15:47

In.

However, I'm very sorry to inform you that I feel that you may be skipping the gaming que a little. GeneralHankerchief is next in for a mini game, followed closely by Warmaster Horus. My apologies.

There is a queue, you know. :inquisitive:

Oh, and sign me up for later.

-edit- Blast you, Omanes!

Gh may be first in the mini queue, but i'm first in the ultra-mini queue.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

:bounce:

If that is the case Sasaki, would this queuing system, which I have devised based upon what you have recently said, be accurate?

In.

Nice idea, I guess we can divide mafia games like this now if we keep this up:
Large mafias ,+12 players
Mini mafias, max 12 players
Ultra mini mafias, max 6 players.

Yup.

I wouldn't add a new category so much as chalk it up to Sasaki abusing implementing his Gameroom mod powers. :grin:

How about a micro mafia? only 3 players.

Or a nano mafia? 1/1000000000th player per game... :inquisitive:

Bwah, in.

In.

:balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

the king does not know who the guards are

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Does this mean the King knows who the assassin is?

No.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Does this mean the King knows who the assassin is?

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Would sort of defeat the purpose of having to find out who the assassin is, now doesn't it :beam:

I'd imagine a smart king would be then able to end the game fairly quickly...

:balloon2:

Can we pm? Is quoting of pm's allowed in private as well as in public? It seems to me that no pm-ing and no quoting would make for an intresting game.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Can we pm? Is quoting of pm's allowed in private as well as in public? It seems to me that no pm-ing and no quoting would make for an intresting game.

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Yeah, otherwise I'd just tell all the guards to send their PM to the King.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Would sort of defeat the purpose of having to find out who the assassin is, now doesn't it :beam:

I'd imagine a smart king would be then able to end the game fairly quickly...

:balloon2:

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Hmmm...


:creep:

Seems Sasaki's first post holds the answer.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Seems Sasaki's first post holds the answer.

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I guess my stupid questions are starting to annoy him... :grin:

Can I join? Sounds fun and not excessively time-consuming.

That's number 6 :jumping:

Well, if it starts later tonight, I think it will be finished by next week.

If you get addicted to mafia, join the other games!

Bienvenue à cette partie de l'Org, Louis.

Il était ici pour Capo et aussi pour Google Earth, je pense. :wink:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Il était ici pour Capo et aussi pour Google Earth, je pense. :wink:

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True.

:balloon2:

:shrug:

Merci, Warmaster! I did play in Capo before - you've got a good memory, GH. It was brilliant fun, but it ate two weeks of my life. I promised myself not to play another mafia game for a looong time to come, to protect myself. But this one sounds, well, fun and not excessively time-consuming. :balloon2:

J'ai l'impression que tout le monde parle français ici... :jumping:

Signups closed, role pm's going out.

It is now day. With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch.

Vote : Louis VI the Fat

Okay, since there's no unvoting we should get to talking before deciding anything.

Obviously, if we all collaborate it's easy to find the assassin. But since Sasaki disallows PMing we must talk here. And here, there is a good chance that the assassin will be able to pick up on our discussion and insert himself into it flawlessly. We cannot demand certain people to know who the King is because they will just accuse us of being the assassin and asking for info in order to provide a quick kill.

Correct?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Okay, since there's no unvoting

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:oops:

You're right.

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Originally Posted by Rules

no unvoting

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:wall:

And I cannot edit my posts...

Sorry guys...

I think I see what you mean GH. If I do understand correctly, then I agree. Also, won't the guards know who to lynch if the future lynchee attacks the king?

Andres, reasoning? Beside random voting.

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Andres, reasoning? Beside random voting.

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It was just my way to say "welcome back Louis"... Should have read the whole opening post instead of stopping at sentence "normal rules apply".

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

I think I see what you mean GH. If I do understand correctly, then I agree. Also, won't the guards know who to lynch if the future lynchee attacks the king?

Andres, reasoning? Beside random voting.

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Yes, but if the assassin is smart they'll know that the guards will not try to bring out the King by over-protecting him - maybe they'd even throw a vote (just one!) his way in order to throw the assassin off.

Of course, would any guard risk doing that knowing full well that the wrath of the other three might come down on him in full force? Ugh, this game is driving me nuts already... :wall:

You are allowed to unvote. After a majority has been reached, unvotes are not allowed, that's what that bit was supposed to mean.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

You are allowed to unvote.

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:sweatdrop:

Anyway, what strategy do you propose Luigi?

Ah, much better then.

Vote: Omanes

No votes on you yet and you haven't said anything since the game began.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

maybe they'd even throw a vote (just one!) his way in order to throw the assassin off.

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We have 6 players right now, 4 guards who know who is the King and the King himself who, obviously, won't vote for himself. In fact, we can even risk 2 votes on the King.

I'm lurking because there is very little to discuss - I don't have a preference for rounds which involve random voting, unless the target is acting dangerously. A 1/6 chance of getting an assassin is not enough to make me want to lynch somebody.

Vote: Andres

There are far too few players to really lurk successfully in this game. If we all keep discussion going to a max it would be much easier to weed out the assassin.

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

I'm lurking because there is very little to discuss - I don't have a preference for rounds which involve random voting, unless the target is acting dangerously. A 1/6 chance of getting an assassin is not enough to make me want to lynch somebody.

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It's 4 to lynch and there's no limit on the duration of the day.

The more we talk, the more people will have to reveal. 5 people know who is King, only one does not.

We should be able to detect our assassin in 1 round if we get enough discussion.

Eventually, voting patern, one misplaced vote, will probably reveal the assassin.

Cast a vote Omanes. If we want to win this game, everybody needs to cast votes.

^^ Omanes, don't lurk. That's marking you as an assassin.

Andres, unvote.

If we risk two votes, won't that begin a bandwagon?

Omanes' post before his edit:

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Originally Posted by Omanes

I'm lurking because there is very little to discuss - I don't have a preference for rounds which involve random voting, unless the target is acting dangerously. A 1/6 chance of getting an assassin is not enough to make me want to lynch somebody.

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After his edit:

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Andres, voting for somebody randomly as a "welcome back" is just unreasonable. There is only a 1 in 6 chance of getting the assassin.

Vote: Andres

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You certainly regret that I quoted your post while you were editing it, huh...?

Unvote; Vote : Omanes

Okay, Omanes voted (check his former "I'm lurking" post). I don't really agree with his reasoning, but I don't think he's fully grasped the mechanics of this game yet. However, he is beginning to speak and that is good.

Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Dutch_guy

Also a "prodding" vote. I want to hear your thoughts.

Running vote counts would be appreciated.

Omanes: 1 ( Andres)
Andres: 1 (omanes)
Dutch_guy: 1(GH)

4 to lynch

Hmmm... I don't like Omanes' edit, but he talked and votes are quickly changed if needed.

I'll vote the other lurker.

Unvote; Vote : Louis VI the Fat

Welcome back. Now, talk :whip:


Tally:

Louis VI: 1 ( Andres)
Andres: 1 (omanes)
Dutch_guy: 1(GH)

I see odd behavior Andres, just because I edited my post to seem less suspitious, since I am a guard, doesn't make me mafia. As you can see, I've edited it back so you guys know I am not embarrassed or nervous about it.

Anyhow, Andres, I've never seen you behave in this way before - why are you acting differently?

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Anyhow, Andres, I've never seen you behave in this way before - why are you acting differently?

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Am I ? :inquisitive:

You've never overviewed a post like that before.

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Andres, unvote.

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Why did you want me to unvote?

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

You've never overviewed a post like that before.

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I noticed it, because I quoted your original post and saw you edited your post at the same time I posted my quote of your original post.

You must admit there was a huge difference between your original post and the edited one.

Andres, really, haven't you yet realized that people are posting while you are posting. Perhaps Horus was in this situation? All I see from you is a framing attempt here, and a not especially well devised one at that.

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Originally Posted by Andres

You must admit there was a huge difference between your original post and the edited one.

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True, but I see no way it arouses suspicion around me, especially since I changed it back - if I was afraid of it, or had anything to hide, I would have retained the edit.

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Andres, really, haven't you yet realised that people are posting while you are posting. Perhaps Horus was in this situation? All I see from you is a framing attempt here, and a not especially well devised one at that/

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Apparantly, people are even editing while I am posting :bounce:

Besides, what's wrong with making another player to talk. How else are we supposed to win this game?

We need a) to discuss b) to vote and to switch votes. Discussion and voting patterns are the only clues we are going to get in this game.

Do you agree? If not, why not?

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True, but I see no way it frames me, especially since I changed it back - if I was afraid of it, or had anything to hide, I would have retained the edit.

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I disagree. An edit like that (and a subsequent one!) causes confusion and, as I'm sure you've gathered, suspicion. Any edited post does. Better if you just left it the way it was and made a new post so people would logically see your thought procession.

I agree with the discussion part, but I still think it may be dangerous as it can benefit both sides. I find that changing of votes is unreasonable unless there is a decent reason behind it. It runs the risk of causing bandwaggoning while you are inactive and cannot remove the vote. I'm not too sure if that will happen in this game though, since the players aren't the easily influenced type.

Hm, five know who the king is, one doesn't. The king doesn't want to reveal himself, neither does the assassin. Would it be wise for guards to pretend to be king, to put the assassin on the wrong foot?

Now if I were the assassin, what would be my strategy? I'd pretend to be a guard wanting to find out who the assassin is. This is easily overdone, a too pro-active guard might just be our assassin.
He'll be keeping my eye open for any kingly behaviour as well. This means he wants people to talk, demanding they partake in the discussion.

I say Andres is acting suspiciously agressive...

Vote : Andres

Louis VI: 1 ( Andres)
Andres: 2 (omanes, Louis)
Dutch_guy: 1(GH)

Andres, when I asked you to unvote, that was after your first vote, for Louis, which was an obvious random vote. I thought you forgot to unvote Louis, and I thought you had wanted too. Therefore, I thought it useful to remind you.

Omanes, if you had anything to hide, but didn't want people to know it, you'd act like you had nothing to hide, no? Doing things like re-editing posts, etc.

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

changing of votes is unreasonable unless there is a decent reason behind it.

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Contradictio in terminis ?

:inquisitive:

No, I'd think more of obvious-pointing-out-ness.

I'm using usual reverse logic procedure. If I was mafia, I would be more secretive and less suspitious than if I was. Ridiculous, but I'm always like this in most games - it's my way of playing.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Now if I were the assassin, what would be my strategy? I'd pretend to be a guard wanting to find out who the assassin is. This is easily overdone, a too pro-active guard might just be our assassin.
He'll be keeping my eye open for any kingly behaviour as well. This means he wants people to talk, demanding they partake in the discussion.

I say Andres is acting suspiciously agressive...

Vote : Andres

Louis VI: 1 ( Andres)
Andres: 2 (omanes, Louis)
Dutch_guy: 1(GH)

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Too pro-active?

At least I get people to talk.

I always hate quoting myself...:

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Originally Posted by Myself

We need a) to discuss b) to vote and to switch votes. Discussion and voting patterns are the only clues we are going to get in this game.

Do you agree? If not, why not?

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Consider the question adressed to you as well, Luigi.

Répondez-moi, Frenchie :whip:

Dutch_guy, where are you? Please post to confirm that you are not a hiding killer, keeping out of discussion to avoid been noticed.

Coincidence: I'm off to playing on my lack of internet laptop for an hour, and then sleep. I'll be back at around 7 GMT.

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Originally Posted by Omanes

Dutch_guy, where are you, please post to confirm that you are not a hiding killer.

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I think our assassin would be either very pro-active or very quiet. That means either Andres or Dutch_guy.

What you've got hiding in that balloon of yours? :balloon2:

Unvote: Andres
Vote: Dutch_guy


Louis VI: 1 ( Andres)
Andres: 1 (omanes)
Dutch_guy: 2 (GH, Louis)

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I think our assassin would be either very pro-active or very quiet. That means either Andres or Dutch_guy.

What you've got hiding in that balloon of yours? :balloon2:

Unvote: Andres
Vote: Dutch_guy


Louis VI: 1 ( Andres)
Andres: 1 (omanes)
Dutch_guy: 2 (GH, Louis)

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I asked you a question in post #60. Would you be son kind to answer it?

I think that this game might be over in one round, one way or another.

GH :whip:

guys, thanks for all the prod- voting, but understand that I tend to go out at night. My summer holidays have already started, and I can basically make it as late as I wish :yes:

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I think our assassin would be either very pro-active or very quiet. That means either Andres or Dutch_guy.

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I think a smart assassin would be a mix of both, and I think you're well aware of that. :wink:

PS: keep in mind I leave in Holland, which is at least a seven hour time difference with the States. Don't expect me to reply at such an absurd time again.

:balloon2:

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PS: keep in mind I leave in Holland, which is at least a seven hour time difference with the States. Don't expect me to reply at such an absurd time again.

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Hah, I'm the only non-Euro playing right now. You guys should be getting on me.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

guys, thanks for all the prod- voting, but understand that I tend to go out at night. My summer holidays have already started, and I can basically make it as late as I wish

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Well, given the mechanics of this game, it is highly recommended every player participates and votes. Have any suspicions already? Constantly abstaining won't do you any good :whip:

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

PS: keep in mind I leave in Holland, which is at least a seven hour time difference with the States. Don't expect me to reply at such an absurd time again.

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With the exception of GH, all players are euro's. So feel free to answer at a non-absurd time...


Louis, why did you deliberately ignore to answer my question or to comment my statements?

And how about Dutch_guy's answer? You voted to pressure him, to make him talk. Now that he has, what are your thoughts? Any comments at all?

What are your thoughts on the other players thus far?

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Originally Posted by Andres, fishing for information

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Originally Posted by Andres, urging players to reveal stuff yet again

We need a) to discuss b) to vote and to switch votes. Discussion and voting patterns are the only clues we are going to get in this game.

Do you agree? If not, why not?

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Originally Posted by Andres, desperatly seeking a clue

Louis, why did you deliberately ignore to answer my question or to comment my statements?

And how about Dutch_guy's answer? You voted to pressure him, to make him talk. Now that he has, what are your thoughts? Any comments at all?

What are your thoughts on the other players thus far?

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Consider the question adressed to you as well, Luigi.

Répondez-moi, Frenchie

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I did answer your question, more or less, in my previous post. I think we should discuss matters, yes. But, this was my answer, I also think that the assassin, being the only one without a clue as to the identity of the others, will be either very silent or very pro-active. Silent, because he lacks information everybody else has, and this could betray himself if he talks too much. Or pro-active because more than anybody else he's desperate to snoop around and figure stuff out.
Look, unlike probably you, I don't need to find out who the king is from amongst five people. I only need to find out who the assassin is from amongst four people. I've got time too, if I make a mistake, I've got three more shots at it. No sweat. The Assassin only has one shot - are you desperate yet?

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Originally Posted by Andres

Well, given the mechanics of this game, it is highly recommended every player participates and votes. Have any suspicions already? Constantly abstaining won't do you any good :whip:

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Oh no worries Andres, I understand abstaining won't do us much good in such a game.

There's been too little discussion going on, we need to generate more of it - with people saying so little it's hard to deduct anything. Which is why I'm voting Warmaster Horus. What are your current thoughts of the game, and if you had to vote who'd be your pick ? How do you think we can best find the assassin ? Yeah, that's - to quote GH - a 'prodding' vote. And I'd like to hear you what you have to say, when you have the time to answer.

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Originally Posted by Andres

With the exception of GH, all players are euro's. So feel free to answer at an absurd time...

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Yeah, I gathered as much from GenH's reply. :beam:

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What are your thoughts on the other players thus far?

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As stated above. And while we're at it, what are yours ? Remember I do know how you act as a mafioso...

:balloon2:

May I point out something I realized today. The player who promotes discussion the most is most likely to be the assassin - in this game the assassin is looking for the King which he may be able to route out by talking. Doesn't that take us over to Andres?

Of course, 10 to 6 isn't an absurd time, so feel free to post at around those hours...

If I had to vote somebody, I guess I'd vote Andres. Or Omanes. Andres has been directing conversation, and that, as said above, can be a sign from the mafia.

Omanes, though, has been active recently, and after Dutch_Guy's return. His (Omane's) last post being a query on Dutch Guy, he should have returned by now.


As for how to find an assassin who doesn't know anybody, who's surrounded by people who know one person, I'd try to trap him. If he's intelligent enough, he won't fall in said trap, but he still might. Vote analysis, or lack thereof, or enthusiasm of voting can be also used. If one of the aforementioned suspects are included in the results of those searches, then it's all the better, innit?

Have I said enough? Do you want more? Because, of course, revealing a method of mafia search, can lead to the mafia not being caught.


So, Omanes, who do you think promotes discussion here? Also, isn't lack of discussion a benefit for the assassin?

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

So, Omanes, who do you think promotes discussion here?

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Andres - twenty-two ingame posts. The person below him GH, only has thirteen.

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Also, isn't lack of discussion a benefit for the assassin?

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I do not believe so in this game. The assassin is looking for the King and is preparing to kill him. He will only find the king through hunting for him, mostly through searching over discussion. Of course this can work both ways, so really it does balance itself out in neither side's favor.

Answering my own question, no, lack of discussion doesn't benefit the assassin. I forgot/overlooked the fact that there were no night kills.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Remember I do know how you act as a mafioso...

:balloon2:

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Yeah, but you're not Kommodus ~;)


Omanes should know by now, that this is my regular play style. And his defence wasn't convincing.

Louis made some valid points, but on the other hand, there's something, I don't know, not right. It seems like he is walking on two different, eh, ideas. On the one hand, he favors discussion, on the other hand, he doesn't because it would give clues to the assassin. This seems like the big dillemma in this game.

Louis, were you actually saying that just randomly lynching players is a sound tactic in this game? Or am I misunderstanding you? Anyway, if we make two subsequent mistakes, the assassin might start noticing which player doesn't get as much attention as the others, vote-wise that is. That player would obviously be the King. The discussion will give clues and might help us to find the assassin, but to detect the King, the assassin needs to pay attention to the voting pattern. The more rounds with votes that lead to an actual lynch, the more it will become clear to the assassin imo. A bad reason to unvote player K who has at a certain moment X (votes with X = number of votes to lynch - 1) might be exactly the clue the assassin is looking for. Me thinks the assassin will never put a second or third vote on a certain player. He'll always try to look for a reason to be the first to vote somebody else who hasn't got any votes.

GH started discussion in the thread, together with me. It seems odd he isn't participating anymore, now that the discussion is really going on :inquisitive: It's even more odd considering the fact he is online for about more than an hour and a half right now. And he only made two posts thus far, one in Heinken and one in American election. It doesn't make any sense that he doesn't participate in the discussion at the moment.

As for you Dutch, well, it's always difficult. You are an extreme lurker who only pops up when under pressure, like you did now with two votes on your name. But I think that's just you, you never post alot until end-game unless to avoid a lynching, you do this as a townie as well as mafia. I still remember my mistake in CN II, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt right now.

Can't say much about Warmaster Horus. Seems like he tries to go with the flow, a bit like he is being evasive in his posts, trying to avoid to get too much attention.

Hmmm, I think I'm going to

Unvote ; Vote : GeneralHankerchief

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now that the discussion is really going on

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First post in over four hours. When there's something to be discussed I shall discuss it.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

First post in over four hours. When there's something to be discussed I shall discuss it.

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But it was the eight post since your last one. If we are all going to sit here and wait for new posts to discuss, well, than there wouldn't be much discussion going anymore, wouldn't there?

This game isn't moving. Gah!

I'll just throw my thoughts out in the open then, get some action going:

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

As for how to find an assassin who doesn't know anybody, who's surrounded by people who know one person, I'd try to trap him.

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I'd trap him too. Now if only I would know how...
Got any clues or methods to share?
BTW, I notice you haven't voted yet...? Hmm...:inquisitive:

Andres: you've been suspiciously silent after I exposed your pro-activeness as assasinish behaviour. No more snooping about? What, you've decided to lay low for a while? Got anything to hide?

Omanes: your second-to-last post was, in all but quote tags, a repeat of mine. Then there was this triple editing thingy. And you're acting suspiciously much like a suspicious person trying to look unsuspicious.
*keeps a firm eye on Omanes*

Dutch_guy: I play this game by the adage that the assassin will be either very pro-active or very silent. So far, you've posted only two posts. Both of which said, well, very little, and were only the result of people pressuring you to speak. What, you're clueless? No idea who the king is yet? Sitting quietly on the sidelines waiting for any signs?

The General is awfully secretive too. This his normal way of playing? Maybe we should hang him just for laffs'. Team up on him, then when he logs in after dinner he'll be just in time for that euro-style swinging party we've prepared for him.


Gah! I say we just lynch somebody and get this game moving.

Okay, fine.

Louis is coming after you (Andres). I think you're innocent, and I have my reasons as to why. They might be revised later on. That said, he accurately describes the unique problem arising from this game, something which I do not believe the assassin would do.

Dutch has, oddly enough, said that more discussion is needed and has only posted once to vote for Horus. I'd label this as typical Dutch_guy or possibly even suspicious, but my vote's already on him. I think D-Man needs to adhere to his own advice.

We're mostly discussing discussion, which has its merits. But I can only go so far on one topic.