EB July New Units Preview

Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans.

Work is as always being done on EB and today we show off some of our latest units. Enjoy some of these latest units that will appear in next release.

Thanks goes out to our great unit artists alin, stefan25, Xprime, and blank Please give them as much credit as possible!

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African Forest Elephant - Qarthadastim

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Asturian-Cantabrian Axeman

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Garamantine Warrior

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Sweboz General

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Thureopherontes Toxotai - Hellenistic

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Arabian Slingers

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Pahlavan Archers

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Partohellenikoi Thureophoroi

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Cohors Imperatoria(Reskin)

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Cohors Evocata (Reskin)

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We hope you have enjoyed this preview of some of the new units and content.

Please note that unless stated otherwise, ALL pictures, names, and descriptions shown in our previews are works in progress. We continue to improve on all parts of EB, and we will continue to do so long after our initial release.

Since some areas where these news items are posted cannot handle wide images, we appreciate your restraint from quoting full-size images.
As always, if you have questions or comments, the best place to post them is here, where the EB team is most active:

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Europa Barbarorum TWC forum

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Have a great day!


Sincerely,

The Europa Barbarorum team.

Oh my god, I have just pissed myself. Really nice preview. Now I dont know for who I am going to play in next realese. For Pontos with their amazing new general or for Sweboz with their new amazing general?

And BTW for which faction is Partohellenikoi Thureophoroi? For Getai?

And about that Thureopherontes Toxotai - the image name says bosphoran... So is this unit greco-scythian? I remember that someone posted here something about how Athens used scythian archers. So this will be such kind of unit?

Lovely, just lovely. A superb job by all the artists! :yes:

:hyperventalates: :jawdrop: These unit are awesome!

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Oh my god, I have just pissed myself. Really nice preview. Now I dont know for who I am going to play in next realese. For Pontos with their amazing new general or for Sweboz with their new amazing general?

And BTW for which faction is Partohellenikoi Thureophoroi? For Getai?

And about that Thureopherontes Toxotai - the image name says bosphoran... So is this unit greco-scythian? I remember that someone posted here something about how Athens used scythian archers. So this will be such kind of unit?

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ParthoHellenikoi Thureophoroi=(parthian-greek thureos shield carriers) is a unit that represents the 300.000 greek colonists who stayed behind in the area that now is Iraq, when the Pahlavan (Parthians) took over, (and ingame other areas that they might conquer too) They represent an evolution from the hoplites and Thureophoroi, to the more persian clad infantry that fought alongside their famous cavalry later on. We know that there were a lot of Greeks who retained their identity until much, much later, as Trajan fought both Greeks and Pahlavan in his conquest of the Messopotamia. Evidence has shown Greeks and Pahlavan to be shackled back to back under a Roman triumphal banner.

They are Greeks admitted into some Pahlavan clans fighting along their Pahlavan overlords against their enemies, getting more and more Persianised as time went on.

Thureopherontes Toxotai (thureos carrying archers) (or the famous T.. I mentioned earlier) are another "melange" unit. They are greeks, rich greeks from the cities in present day Ukraine, who got rich from trading with the mainland, but who, along with the hoplite tradition of their motherland, were also influenced by the archery of the Steppes. There were funeral steles found on present day Ukraine that have both those, thureoi and bows/arows, honouring the dead in battle Thureopherontes Toxotai.

Awesome! As always. Keep it up! :2thumbsup:

Rather, most of the people whom we would identify as these thureopherontes toxotai were more likely significantly Hellenized Skythians, not vice versa, if naming patterns are any indication. Still, by that point, Skythian-influenced Hellenes and Hellenized Skythians were not tremendously different, at least not in places like Pantikapaion. Similar I suppose, in some respects, to the soldiers represented by the Parthohellenikoi Thureophoroi.

Aww...:embarassed: I was so hoping there'd would be Keltikoi Kataphractoi in this preview. Oh well, my crusade goes on!:2thumbsup:

Great preview guys.~;)

I squee at the Roman cohorts! For one, a fact that shows how far EB has come is how lifelike the face inside the helmet of the Imperatoria legionnaire has become. If that is going to be what I see in the battle map when I zoom in, I am going to cry with joy.

The reskinning of some Romani units was purely greedy on the Roman team members parts, but we felt some mistakes needed to be corrected, and Xprime did a beautiful job improving the asthetics of the units he did, great work as always. The little details on the new cohors are what makes them stand out to me, wether from the silvering on his belt or the details of the pugio or the mail-scarf around his neck!

what all roman units have been reskinned?

who is the garamantine warrior for?

anyone who conquers the fazzan?

is there any indication that the actually dressed like that?

Any indication? Yeah. :laugh4: I'll let tanit reply or someone who has tanit's notes (he's on a dig I think), but we have confirmation on that unit's appearance (the development art pic specifically) from a quite famous historian of the region (works on the Fazzan Project), so we feel pretty sure about it. :grin:

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Any indication? Yeah. :laugh4: I'll let tanit reply or someone who has tanit's notes (he's on a dig I think), but we have confirmation on that unit's appearance (the development art pic specifically) from a quite famous historian of the region (works on the Fazzan Project), so we feel pretty sure about it. :grin:

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what all roman units have been reskinned?

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cool, sounds very interesting. they just looked a bit over-wild to me! i thought they farmed cotton.

Brilliant preview - as always :thumbsup:

Great preview, as always. A question: what kind of axe does Asturian-Cantabrian Axeman have? It looks quite interesting, although strange O_o.

Awesome units, really filling the map. :2thumbsup:
Will the Carthagian elephants have archers or javelineers in the tower?

Kick-ass. As a true Romanophile I had to shed a tear when I saw those new skins. Superb, truly superb.

(The Asturian-Cantabrian Axeman are holding both an axe and a javalin at the same time, so that is why it looks funny.)

As far as the axe goes, here is the example axe (posted by Dux Corvanus):
http://premium1.uploadit.org/DuxCorv...e_00000681.jpg

Uh... Wouldn't want to be hit with that.

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(The Asturian-Cantabrian Axeman are holding both an axe and a javalin at the same time, so that is why it looks funny.)

As far as the axe goes, here is the example axe (posted by Dux Corvanus):
http://premium1.uploadit.org/DuxCorv...e_00000681.jpg

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Great preview, guys, but just one thing: how come this axe's handle stops at the axe head, whereas with the actual unit, there's a bit more handle coming out through and past the axe head?

Cheers :beam:

You just quoted your response, it's the javelin held in the same hand as the axe, look closer.

The Asturian-Cantabrian Axeman look very very very realistic and historic, the same Thureopherontes Toxotai - Hellenistic and Romans Cohors too!

But the Swebos general looks slightly cultivated, civilized. I think that he could looks more animal and natural.

I have one question, how the Romans Legionary carry the shield? I have read that he carried the shield from down to up (if you look on his fore arm) , no from up to down as we can see on the pictures. Is it true or not? It is not life nessesary and I cant be a hairsplitter and bullshit seeker as Sherlock Holmes was:holmes:, it is only my question for forum.

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You just quoted your response, it's the javelin held in the same hand as the axe, look closer.

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Oh yeah - my mistake! :oops:

Who did the Romani reskins? Is it a new EB member? I don't think I've seen that style in EB before. Personally, I think that the chainmail texture could be better, but everything else, especially those shield textures, are incredibly sexy.

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Who did the Romani reskins? Is it a new EB member? I don't think I've seen that style in EB before. Personally, I think that the chainmail texture could be better, but everything else, especially those shield textures, are incredibly sexy.

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Xprime, he came in from OR, and has been most productive for us. We really want to start on MTW2 units, as he's really wanting to use the higher detailed models and larger textures we'll be able to utilise. But even on a 1000 poly count model and 256x256 texture his work really shines through.

Foot

Xprime did the Romani work. The hamata looks almost identical to the artifact examples we gave him to work by, and we're very satisfied with it. Xprime is not a new member, but you've seen him mostly do work on FMs before and bodyguard units. His attention on the Romani was a result of us basically stealing him for a month or two.

The scutum was taken from historical example, and was held as such in order to be used as much as a weapon thrusting as a defensive piece of equipment. It could also more easily be rested on the ground in such a fashion, and raised when in use.

Great work. I like the roman units, in particular.

Aren't the arabian slingers a reskin, even though they are not marked as such on the preview?

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But the Swebos general looks slightly cultivated, civilized. I think that he could looks more animal and natural.

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Thanks for your compliments on the other units, and I hope someone can answer your questions concerning the positioning of the scutum. As for the Sweboz general, why particularly do you feel it is important he should look "animal" and "natural"? Even though the archaeological record from Germanic lands in the Pre-Roman period are quite scanty, the amount of good quality metalwork (chain mail, swords, buckles, fibulae, etc) found in richer contexts solidly confirms to us that the wealthier warriors of the Sweboz (such as the Family Member/General) were able to afford both locally produced metal accoutrements, and imported (and perhaps locally modified) materials, like the chain mail, sword, and helm. While Germanic kings were not living in the palaces of Alexandreia or Roma, many of them did sit on top of the amber route, and had managed to accrue considerable wealth over the centuries from that position, wealth which they used to create good quality local goods, or to import prized goods from other areas. I hope that helps, and thanks again for the comments!

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I have one question, how the Romans Legionary carry the shield? I have read that he carried the shield from down to up (if you look on his fore arm) , no from up to down as we can see on the pictures. Is it true or not?

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Well, I happend to carry a replica of such a shield a year or so back - and not knowing about shield-carrying techniques at al, I held it as you described "from up to down". It simply seemed to me the most convenient way of holding it, especially after I had held the cavalry shield which is heavy. Though, admittedly the replicas I held were replicas of later legionaries, those who did wear the pathetic segmentata.
So I merely pressume this to be the way the earlier guys held their shields. :shrug:

Indeed, see my response above :)

(ah- Paullus beat me to it...)

Well, first of all, the Germanic peoples were no less "civilized" than any other culture during EB's timeframe, unless living in a city and having a non-barter trading system is your definition of "civilized."

The idea behind this Sweboz FM or King/ đruxtīnaz (literally "lord of the warband") is accruate representation of the true elite of the Germanic warband system, which we know surely existed at EB's timeline through the support of ample evidence in linguistics and persistence of warband terminology. Booty, status, and favor are driving forces behind the warband structure, so there would be quite a deal of wealth concentrated at the top. With evidence of rich Celtic neighbors and linguistic evidence of borrowing vocabulary and thus use of Celtic advanced metallurgy, it can easily be asserted that the small aristocracy was not very different from their Celtic neighbors, concerning metalcraft: weapon and jewelry.

The FM has clothes made from animals, so do you mean he should be naked like an animal, or he should be licking himself? Sorry for the sarcasm, but your phrase was rather vague, but I'm guessing you are probably referring to rough animal-skin/fur, but animal-skin is something a rich peasant could easily have had and is that really very worthy of the highest ranking member of a huge population of creative/resourceful people? There is no reason to think that the Germanics had to borrow textile technology from any source or that there was a huge improvement in textile technology between EB's time and the Dark Ages, so it is by great effort an attempt has been made to correctly portray a peoples who show themselves to be quite rich in textiles, art and culture, despite being potrayed as animalistic savages by propoganda of Roman and Classical sources. Just to add, we did NOT use anything from the Dark Ages, despite it being a great example of how seemingly primitive people had quite sophisticated culture and textiles, besides actually being very similar to EB's timeline and Germanic.

We are not trying to portray that every Germanic man looked as this individual but there is no reason to think that aristocrats would have looked similar to peasants or even close to the slightly higher than peasant middle-class craftsman and such... The whole point of being an aristocrat is thinking you're better than everyone else and looking the part. There is absolutely no evidence of egalitarianism amongst the Germanic peoples, despite being unique in their freedom and curbing of autocratic powers. Agricultural comminuties by their very nature are not egalitarian and the only reason there isn't a multitude of archaeological graves of noblemen is the sheer lack of finds in general, especially considering the huge population those few that have been found are suppose to represent. It is unfortunate coincidence that all of the best archaeology is of the lower classes concerning Germanic peoples and it may very well have been that they were a large class, but similarly, the Romans had a huge lower class and it would be inappropriate to portray Roman family members as Velites.

What does OR and FM mean?

OR=Ortus Romani a mod group that worked on a M2TW mod set in the Classical Period. They folded into EB a while back.
FM=Family Member

Cheers, and in that case, what does "ortus" mean? :beam:

Ortus=Google

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The Asturian-Cantabrian Axeman look very very very realistic and historic, the same Thureopherontes Toxotai - Hellenistic and Romans Cohors too!

But the Swebos general looks slightly cultivated, civilized. I think that he could looks more animal and natural.

I have one question, how the Romans Legionary carry the shield? I have read that he carried the shield from down to up (if you look on his fore arm) , no from up to down as we can see on the pictures. Is it true or not? It is not life nessesary and I cant be a hairsplitter and bullshit seeker as Sherlock Holmes was:holmes:, it is only my question for forum.

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Ah, I see, it took me a while to work out what you meant, you mean palm up with knuckles facing inward as opposed to palm downward with knuckles facing out.

I have it on good authority that the former way is a good way to break your elbow, while it may seem more convenient for carrying the reality is that it makes the shield virtually useless because it cannot be manuvered and you can't effectively crouch behind it.

The way we have it is correct and it is the way experimental archaeologists do it, I expect the book you read was out of date.

I haven't been around recently, so I only saw the July preview yesterday...and now this...If only, if ONLY I had my laptop with me, I'd play the h*** out of EB right now. Those skins are gorgeus, and I've no doubt they are accurate to boot. Those Roman skins are particularly nice- my deepest and warmest congratulations to the skinner, he (or she, I suppose, but I sorta assume it's a he) really makes them look so real, so deep, so fully-dimensioned it makes me shudder. Incredible work, really. EB has so many incredible ideas- and clearly has some remarkable people behind it- so I suppose it's no surprise that (in my opinion) EB as it is now, is already twice the game RTW, MTWII, or any other mod is. Really spectacular work (makes me wish I wasn't so dumb/lazy so I could lend a hand...if only I could mod :wall:) you guys really have a lot to be proud of. :2thumbsup:

(sorry for the speech...no wonder EB spreads their previews out on a monthly basis, look what two previews in two days can make people do :clown: )

awesome preview guys!
just on question: When these new romani units will for the testudo, will you see the black thing atop their helmet go through the shield (as for the post marian legionaires?

Congratz for the skinners, brilliant work as always :yes:

I especially like those Romani reskins, the details are fenominal.
Are those 256x256 or 512x512 textures that have been used?

I wonder if Xprime also reskinned the Cohors Reformata...

You'll have to keep wondering. And they are 256 textures. Pretty great, huh?

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awesome preview guys!
just on question: When these new romani units will for the testudo, will you see the black thing atop their helmet go through the shield (as for the post marian legionaires?

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I don't think we know yet. They aren't in the internal builds yet. Should be in our next internal release though because Xprime is really good about uploading units and getting them to Spendios, who integrates them.

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Congratz for the skinners, brilliant work as always :yes:

I especially like those Romani reskins, the details are fenominal.
Are those 256x256 or 512x512 textures that have been used?

I wonder if Xprime also reskinned the Cohors Reformata...

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All our units except for the generals are 256x256. Sometimes we want to go up to 512x512, but we don't want to make the game even more resource intensive for players without super computers.

As for the reformata... wait and see.:beam:

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You'll have to keep wondering. And they are 256 textures. Pretty great, huh?

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I'll will keep wondering then :beam:

If Xprime is able to get this detail with only 256x256, his models in EB2 will blow us all away :2thumbsup:

I feel like the little child who missed the birthday cake.

Where are these pictures?

uh, the first page of this thread, probably?

Not for me they're not. Firefox shows nothing but the text. The same page in IE gives me 11 red crosses.

Your firewall might be blocking them :book:

In which case you should turn off the blocking of refferals.

Great preview guys i cant wait to play the next version EB:2thumbsup:

Beautiful artwork on all the units. The Romani reskin looks great and these guys.....The Asturian-Cantabrian Axeman...this unit to me looks simply amazing.

these units look awesome, but what faction is that axeman?

"these units look awesome, but what faction is that axeman?"

I am guessing that he will be an regional unit - available in the northern province of Iberia (Cantabria).

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"these units look awesome, but what faction is that axeman?"

I am guessing that he will be an regional unit - available in the northern province of Iberia (Cantabria).

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I checked, and currently they are set for Luso, Carth, Aedui, and Arverni.

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Awesome units, really filling the map. :2thumbsup:
Will the Carthagian elephants have archers or javelineers in the tower?

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Depends on the type of Elephant what the crew are armed with there are two crew variants javlin armed and bow armed i forget which that is tho

Stunning. I especially like faded-gaudy look of the Sweboz general, but the new legionaries and the Arabian slinger look very good as well.

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:2thumbsup:

You guys are friggin' dope! I take my hat off to you guys! Wow! One question...When do we get to play it?

It's a surprise.

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cool, sounds very interesting. they just looked a bit over-wild to me! i thought they farmed cotton.

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For the Garamantine unit we were unhappy with the depiction shown in most mods as it comes froma drawing that is a conglomeration of different periods and cultures but nothing firmyl Garamantian. So we decided to go deeper and try to find out the truth about the Garamantian's appearance. In order to do this we contacted Professor David Mattingly who works on excavations in Libya including the Garamantine capital of Garama. He was very helpful and supplied us with images of Garamantine rock art from our period of history as well as information regarding the economy and military of Garama at the time and stuff on their cultural dress. He also showed us images from Egyption paintings of Libyans that are very similar to the rock art and help to give us a better image of the appearance of the Garamantines. I am not sure if the images he showed us are published or not yet so I have to check before I post them. Posting unpublished material in archaeology is a really big no no.

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It's a surprise.

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I am surprised you didn't ask him how long a bit of string is.

Nice to see that Karthies Forest Nellie, will now be getting a Howda and extra fire power.

If the textures in EB are mainly 256x256, then what will they be in EB2, 512x512?

Congrat's to all you EB's, on the further advancement of your hard labours.

Cheers,
Digby.

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Nice to see that Karthies Forest Nellie, will now be getting a Howda and extra fire power. Digby.

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A question to the EB team: Wasn't the original reason why the Carthies did not have howdas on their elephants the one that they didin't use those? Just wondering.

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For the Garamantine unit we were unhappy with the depiction shown in most mods as it comes froma drawing that is a conglomeration of different periods and cultures but nothing firmyl Garamantian. So we decided to go deeper and try to find out the truth about the Garamantian's appearance. In order to do this we contacted Professor David Mattingly who works on excavations in Libya including the Garamantine capital of Garama. He was very helpful and supplied us with images of Garamantine rock art from our period of history as well as information regarding the economy and military of Garama at the time and stuff on their cultural dress. He also showed us images from Egyption paintings of Libyans that are very similar to the rock art and help to give us a better image of the appearance of the Garamantines. I am not sure if the images he showed us are published or not yet so I have to check before I post them. Posting unpublished material in archaeology is a really big no no.

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Wow that is quite a story. You guys rocks (and so doe's Professor Mattingly)! Really the dedication, the talent, the will etc., you have it all.

AWESOME!!!!!!!!:jawdrop:
I want the next release!!!!! Congrats to the team!!

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For the Garamantine unit we were unhappy with the depiction shown in most mods as it comes froma drawing that is a conglomeration of different periods and cultures but nothing firmyl Garamantian. So we decided to go deeper and try to find out the truth about the Garamantian's appearance. In order to do this we contacted Professor David Mattingly who works on excavations in Libya including the Garamantine capital of Garama. He was very helpful and supplied us with images of Garamantine rock art from our period of history as well as information regarding the economy and military of Garama at the time and stuff on their cultural dress. He also showed us images from Egyption paintings of Libyans that are very similar to the rock art and help to give us a better image of the appearance of the Garamantines. I am not sure if the images he showed us are published or not yet so I have to check before I post them. Posting unpublished material in archaeology is a really big no no.

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thanks for the reply.

who wil they be available for?

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If the textures in EB are mainly 256x256, then what will they be in EB2, 512x512?

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M2TW uses 1024x1024, but that space is used to store all internal units variations as well. So, effectively it amounts to a number of 512x512 textures packed in a bigger one. Or so I thought one of the artists explained.

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thanks for the reply.

who wil they be available for?

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Carthies & Eleutheroi, at least.

Yup, four 512x512 variant skins.

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I don't think we know yet. They aren't in the internal builds yet. Should be in our next internal release though because Xprime is really good about uploading units and getting them to Spendios, who integrates them.

All our units except for the generals are 256x256. Sometimes we want to go up to 512x512, but we don't want to make the game even more resource intensive for players without super computers.

As for the reformata... wait and see.:beam:

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Oh please! Those are 512s :yes:

nerp...you should've seen the 512 versions!

I could have sworn that RTW was limited to 256x256 or is that just mod gentlemen's agree .


anyway the most interesting unit so far is the parthian auxiliary . TPC didn't lie on GFAQS about Parthia getting pimped out .

@Philipvs Valliendervs Calicula

I did not await so many notes to my innocent questions. I am very sorry of my mistake, I have found the book...scutum was carried really "from up to down", but it is strange, that in early medieval period the "almond shield" was carried from "from down to up".

i like the units, but i think the plume of the cohors imperatoria should be taken off and the shields a little bigger. other than that- awesome! great work!

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i like the units, but i think the plume of the cohors imperatoria should be taken off and the shields a little bigger. other than that- awesome! great work!

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I mean, is there a reason for that? That's not a productive thing to say really. Do you have evidence that their shields are the wrong size, or that they shouldn't have plumes?

Foot

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I mean, is there a reason for that? That's not a productive thing to say really. Do you have evidence that their shields are the wrong size, or that they shouldn't have plumes?

Foot

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according to Adrian Goldsworthy, plumes for the regular solders started to die out by Augustus time.with the shields, they just look better when theyre bigger.

Yeah, nevermind, saw the discussion over at the TWC. I guess others can take it up, I imagine there won't be any changing though, the roman guys have put a lot of work into these units.

Foot

its ok- i guess ill just have to deal with it :laugh4:

Plumes are here to stay. Shield sizes are taken from recreations of period shields. What makes you think its too small, just out of curiosity?

Really great! When will... (don't answer).

If you will not give the Garamantine warrior also to the Ptolemaioi regional MICs, it will be the first time I have to play Quart-Hadast.:beam: Is it a javelinman? It seems to be and I hope so.

I'm not so aware of the Roman units, but does the lost of the feminalia on the posted units mean that this questionable piece of cloth/leather will also (and with even more reason) disappear on the Marian units?:2thumbsup:

The scutum of the Cohors Imperatoria is not the older oval scutum, but the transitionary form with straight small sides. Apparently it was considerably shorter than the older scuti. I have more problems with the shield of the Cohors Evocata, being of the older oval type (?). At first glance I would say a longer one (from ankle to the shoulder) would please my feelings more, but I would never argue with the specialists about it. Maybe my feelings come from the memory of the D. Ahenobarbus altar, being some earlier.

I have a question about the Arabian slinger. Does not A. Marcellinus wrote somewhere that many Arabian warriors walked half-naked? Don't know where I read it. The depicted guy is wearing a lot of cloth instead. (Btw I don't think that wearing many clothes makes a human a better one or even more civilised, so don't get me wrong in that way that I thought, the Arabians were primitive). I'm just wondering about your sources.

The Sweboz general is fine. I'm just fighting these bloody German barbarians :beam: and hope to see this gentle leader of my foes soon. As a sidenote: I would not say that the Germanic tribes of the EB era were civilised. They had a culture and no culture is more worth than another, but civilisation for me is connected with a more differentiated society, a form of public life with real citizens beyond tribal loyality and at least partly urban culture. So perhaps the Celts were civilised but not the Germans. It is not necessary to be too politically correct, otherwise every definition (which means distinction) gets lost. That does not mean the Germans were not proper clad, armed and armoured if it could be afforded.

Edit: Another question. The Thureopherontes Toxotai, how will he handle his shield when shooting with the bow? Is it held in the left hand still or slung around the back?

Summary: I cannot wait for the next EB release...:yes:

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Originally Posted by Zaknafien

Plumes are here to stay. Shield sizes are taken from recreations of period shields. What makes you think its too small, just out of curiosity?

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well, i looked into the subject, and i found out i was wrong about the shields. you had the size right- 3.3 feet in length, 2.75 feet in width.

as for the plumes, im gonna fight that tooth and nail. the type of helmet that is shown for the cohors imperatoria is the Coolus-pattern helmet. i dont have the exact quote from Adrian Goldsworthy, but here is all i can remember about what he said, about creasts and plumes during the Principate:
“Crests were prized objects for soldiers…. crests on the helmets for soldiers during the Principate were strictly for parades, not battle.”

a question- will the praetorians be reskinned too? and will they have crests on their helmets this time?