KH Succession Game Thread.

Ok, this will be the official thread for our KH Succession Game. The rules are as follows:

We will be playing with R:TW v. 1.5 with EB v. 0.81a V2 (also known as v. 0.82) We will be using a script provided by Spoofa which can be found at http://files.filefront.com/City+mod+.../fileinfo.html (This is a slightly modified script which incorporates City Mod (Thanks to MarcusAureliusAntoninus) and AI Balancing Mod(Thanks to Redmeth and mlp071). We will also be using the Formation Mod which can be found at https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=86904.

House Rules:

1. The Hegemon will be played in the order that players signed up.

2. Terms will last for two years i.e. 8 turns.

3. Generals must lead invading armies. If the general is killed, the army must head back to Koinon soil until they meet up with a new general.

4. Governors will have limited control over what is recruited and built in their cities.

Note: I was thinking about splitting up the budget between the three initial city-states, but that seems overly complicated. Instead, the Hegemon will construct buildings and recruit soldiers as he deems fit. Special requests can be made on behalf of any city-state at any time, although the Hegemon is not required to follow any suggestions. I think this will save time and keep things simple. We will still have a council in between terms to discuss broader issues like going to war, special constructions, etc. The Hegemon, while encouraged to follow the council, is not required to do so, and must be able to change plans if the situation requires it.

5. Leading Generals must be voted by a majority of the council. This is one rule which the Hegemon must always abide by. If the leading general is killed, an emergency council meeting must be called so that a new general may be voted in.


Characters (to determine who plays out battles in-game)

Bootsiuv-Areus Eurypontidos Lakadamonios
Spoofa-Akrotates Eurypontidos Lakedamonios
EasternScourge-Chremonides Aithalidos Attika
Kukulza-The first Rhodios (don't have their names off the top of my head, but will correct this later)
Basileus Seleukeia-
Bobolicious-
Nikolaus-

Ok, I'm up first.

I will be playing the first 8 turns.

I have 3 proposals for the council.

1. Areus takes the Spartan Garrison and attacks Korinthos on the first turn.
2. Chremonides takes the Athenian garrison and attacks Chalkis on the second turn, provided Antigonos withdraws to the north.
3. Our fleet should be cut by two/thirds i.e. 2 of our 3 fleet units should be disbanded. I prefer to keep one around so Rhodos isn't cut off from the rest of the Empire.

I'll wait twenty four hours for anyone to respond with suggestions and/or criticism, then I'll start the game.

BTW, The players who have characters already are welcomed to roleplay there characters, and a certain attachment to your city-state (which will likely change many times) is a nice touch. I'll be roleplaying the old geezer Areus from this point on. Well, heres to hoping we have a good time.

ah shouldnt we also use the merc script? it really helps out alot, oh and considering im your son do i still get a vote in the council? :laugh4:

Rhodios?

alright, as in the ethnicity...

lead by example Bootsiuv, I'm sure I will fully understand when I look at your frequent updates, screenshots, and appeals to the council :yes:

Akrotates votes nay to your first proposal, we should wait one turn and allow the large army led by Antiginos to head northbound, also i suggest sending a diplomat to secure an alliance with Phyruss of Epiros to help with the destruction of Macedonia.

I also recommend clearing land by the coast of Sparte to allow for sea trade into our city.

I also give my vote for the disbandment of 2/3 of our navy, your reasoning for leaving the other third is reasonable, and acceptable.

But sending athen's garrison to assault Chalkis is a bad move I think, It would leave athen's open for attack with little defenders, at least with the garrison in athens we have the hope of holding the city in the event of a seige, after we secure Korinthos then, and only then, do I suggest focusing our forces north or eastward.

Akrotates has spoken :laugh4:

also can i suggest like, a list of the buildings present in each settlement and the one's possible to build? i know it would get really tedious to keep up to date but its really hard to ask for buildings when you dont know which one's you can actually make :laugh4:

(P.S. I wont get my new computer until monday, I can still play RTW but would really prefer not to since my current computer give me low framerate, but I guess it doesnt really matter)

being a Rhodian I am ignorant of the events going on in the Hellenic homeland...
but i agree with Akrotates Eurypontidos Lakedamonios (Spoofa), we should secure an alliance with Epeiros first and foremost to counter the Makendonians who swept us in the time of Philip and Alexander... also if we support Epeiros we may be at odds with Roma and Kart-hadast... but those factions will only be of great concern later on, yes?
what about the Getai and Pontos, what should our policy be with them? What if we take Byzantium, things would change then... And what of the Bosphorans? They are greeks, and the region is prosperous, perhaps we can influence the steppe with an alliance with the Sauromatae?

but I am looking too far ahead...

I know I may not be a Spartan, but I'm a warrior, my policy will be warfare if the council deems it fitting come the time of my reign... and the irregular warfare of thracian peltasts, cavalry, and fast infantry appeals to me moreso than the hoplite and phalanx strategies of our people... is it worth gathering Getai and other mercenaries for that purpose? what soldiery do we have at our disposal that can compare to the Thracian peltast, Iberian Loricarti Scutarii, and the Saka Noble?

Thureophoroi and Thorakitai seem to fulfill my preferrances in terms of shock infantry, it is a pity we cannot field elephants nor the fast cavalry of the east... i will do some research (playing a KH campaign for a bit) and return with more insights and questions :beam: Also a better idea of what I shall do and the veterans amongst us can advise and vote :yes:


NOTEs:

• If my role-play gets annoying let me know, personally I'm not big into Greeks so roleplaying a Greek will be amusing
• I do not know if I have the mercenary/money mod installed or not so I will just reinstall everything to make sure it's all clean

*Areus stands to speak. He is grey with age, and yet still a powerful man of traditional Spartan build*

My fellow greeks....

Must I remind you that Phyrros' Armies threaten Makedonia as we speak? Surely Antigonos will see the threat to his capital and homeland greater than the loss of southern Greece. I tell you now that if we strike in the spring, we WILL take Korinthos by years end. I will personally lead the assault on the city. With the entire Pellopenese under our control, we will have the resources necessary to conquer all of southern Hellas.

I would have thought the Attikos or Rhodios, having become soft from "civilized life", would be the first to oppose talks of Invasion. To my surprise, my own son, a fellow Spartan, fails to see the threat that Phyrros represents to Antigonos. If Pella falls, Antigonos' Empire will almost certainly fall with it. Antigonos is no fool. He will surely turn his main army north to counter this threat.

All this being said, I am a fair man, and will cede to the council's decision.

*Areus sits, wiping sweat from his brow, his aged hands visibly trembling from talk of war*

Proposal 1. Attack on Korinthos in Spring of 272
2 nay
6 yay

Proposal 2. Attack on Chalkis in Summer of 272
5 nay
3 yay

Proposal 3. Disbanding of 2/3 of fleet (52 of 78 ships) to reduce overall expenses
1 nay
4 yay

Proposal 4. Building a Coastal Clearance in Sparte in Spring of 272.
0 nay
3 yay

Proposal 5. Disband and/or relocate Rhodian garrison in Spring of 272.
2 nay
4 yay

Proposal 6. Construction on Athenai Military-Industrial Complex should begin by spring of 271.
2 nay
4 yay

Proposal 7. Create a Spy Network in the Kingdom of Epeiros.

0 nay
4 yay
Please list future proposals in this format (without the vote count part of course)

The Rhodian stands before the assembled tyrants....

Korinthos must join our Koinon Hellenon. Chalkis' women moan at the loss of their sons to the conscriptions of Makedon and their men must see their crops go to bloated governors... they yearn for us to free them from the wretched yoke of the northerners, let us free them if the war goes well.

I agree with disbanding the fleet to one, we need not 3, and Rhodos will not have anything to do with the war on the mainland until later on, and I may have died on old age by that time.

You may disband the majority of the Rhodian garrison, we of the isle have little use for them as of now.

The Rhodian sits, unsettled by the prospect of large-scale war with the Makedonians, remembering as a young man fighting as a hoplite against the Thessalian cavalry.... but he is alas, young no more, but old and bitter (and rich) :sweatdrop:

EDIT: I've played the KH for 3 hours now, I think I've got the hang of it, will be uninstalling and reinstalling the game and EB tomorrow morning

*The yet unknown Greek stands up and speaks*
My Bretheren, I agree with Areus request. Korinthos has to be liberated in short time in order to turn Macedon's military situation in a dilemma. We need an alliance with Pyrrhos, as, when his army strikes against the Macedonian homeland, Antigonos will be forced to act, and he will choose to return, that is for sure. He will not let Pella fall into the hands of Illyrian and Galatian barbarians. But in one point, I disagree: Athens garrison has to stay in the city. Not only will that not leave the city vulnerable to a surprising move of Antigonos, but it will also make them able to prevent the march of a Macedonian army into the Peloponessos. Chalkis is no threat to us now, and once we have seized control of all of the peloponessos, they will be glad to join our league!
*He sits down again, and a waits the final decision of the council*

I have instructed my scribe to update the councils proposal list. If you haven't voted on any or all of the proposals, please do so now.

OOC: Remember, you don't need a character to vote. Characters really only determine who fights battles in-game. So everyone is welcome to take part in these discussions.

*The aged Hegemon stands again to address the council*

My fellow Greeks...

I am a Spartan. I am proud. I am also no fool.

I am well aware of the fact that Athenai, NOT Sparte, will be the most strategically important city in the war with Makedonia. The Athenians, while soft as a summer's breeze, have managed to build an impressive city. The fact of the matter is that those Athenian Philosophers could have the necessary infrastructure in place to recruit the Koinon's best troops. Therefore, I have a new proposal for the council.

Proposal 6. Construction on Athenai Military-Industrial Complex should begin by spring of 271.

*The unknown greek stands up once more to react to Areus newest request*
You speak wise words, Areus. But, can we really afford new military complexes in Athens, the city of old? Doesn't our military already drain our treasury? If this is not the case, Areus, please enlight me, but if we are low on gold, I want to vote against this request and let it take place later, when we have secured enough territory to have a fundamental treasury. But I am open to this request, if we can afford to fulfill it.

On a side note, I'm having a little trouble with City Mod. I installed it last nite, and when I went to start a game, I would choose EB Main Campaign, and a window would pop up that would say "please choose an item from the list". I've uninstalled that copy, just because I screwed up backing up my files before installing it, and just wanted to start fresh.

Now that I've done that, I'm rather hesitant to reinstall city mod. Has anyone else experienced problems like this? Am I doing it wrong (I extracted it into my Rome-Total War folder, not the EB one, but that's what it said to do)?

Well, I'm going to a campground for a few hours. If lots of people are having problems, maybe we won't use city mod. If most people aren't, maybe I did something wrong.

Later
Bootsiuv

As the council is in mid-debate a man slips in unoticed through the chamber door
and quietly takes his seat in the third tier of seats, when the council is silent the man stands and speaks.

I apologize for my lateness, good friends, but it was indeed unavoidable. Though I do wish you would have informed the guards of my coming. *OOC: my name is not on the list*

I believe an attack on Korinthos is more than warranted but assaulting Chalkis is,
I think, too bold. The garrison at Rhodos should be disbanded except for maybe one unit to provide us with extra income. And lastly the military-industrial complex at Thens is in my opinion a mistake. For centuries sparta has produced the best warriors in the world, and why should it stop. Not only this but building too many things now would deplete our treasury.

OOC: maybe we should have a separate thread for the council and one for out of character dialogue. It kind of derails me when I read a post written by an Athenian and the next one talking about save games and mods. Also I don't think the city mod is compatible with the rp money script mod.

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Originally Posted by Bootsiuv

On a side note, I'm having a little trouble with City Mod. I installed it last nite, and when I went to start a game, I would choose EB Main Campaign, and a window would pop up that would say "please choose an item from the list". I've uninstalled that copy, just because I screwed up backing up my files before installing it, and just wanted to start fresh.

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The "please choose an item from the list" sounds like a BI thing. If there's no "Provincial Campaign" option on the list you probably should reinstall. If there is, choose the "EB Main Campaign" through that. Are you all using 1.5 or BI?

consider this comes from a money-making Rhodian, let Athenai dig mines and let Sparte train soldiers, the Spartans may protect the Athenians and the Athenians pay for the Spartan upkeep...

the main problem is that construction of either mines or upgraded barracks is very expensive

EDIT: if its causing you trouble maybe we should just forget about the city mod?

I've never had any problems with city mod, and I always use : City mod, along with the mercenary mod, along with a money script and it always works well, of course i have to manually edit my script file to add in the money script, but that's about it, and ive never had any problems with it.

Akrotates stands to speak once more

So, fellow greeks, what is the verdict of the council? Shall we go forth against our Makedonian enemy with prudence? or do we go forth against our enemies with profligacy? How are we even sure Pyrrhos will attack Pella? what if he has other plans? Far too much have I seen men assume one thing and be completely wrong, leading to their downfall, by practicing at least some prudence before launching our forces we will at least know what will happen, by waiting only a few months before launching our attack we will know what will happen, I propose we recruit a spy to follow Antiginos and his armies movements, and also see what Pyrrhos does, after we have seen that, only then do I suggest making a move.


Akrotates sits down once again

I think im the only one who hasnt voted yet.
Proposal 1: invade Corinth-yay
Proposal 2: invade Chalkis-yay
Proposal 3: Disband 2/3 of fleet-NAY(Pirates are really bad at this point in the game)
Proposal 4: Build coastal clearance-yay
Proposal 5: Relocate Rhodean garrison-NAY (The Rhodian guys about to die)
Proposal 6: Build Athenian MIC-yay
Other: I believe(sp) we should send our spy north to watch the movements of the Epirotes in Greece; ive seen them capture Pella on their first turn! certainly if they plan to do that, we need to ally with them, if only to keep their greedy hands off us.

Thank you my bretheren

I was going to vote earlier, but i forgot to hit the post message button, oh well.

Proposal 1: invade Corinth-yay
Proposal 2: invade Chalkis-yay
Proposal 3: Disband 2/3 of fleet-yay
Proposal 4: Build coastal clearance-yay
Proposal 5: Relocate Rhodean garrison-NAY (The Rhodian guys about to die)
Proposal 6: Build Athenian MIC-yay
Other: I believe(sp) we should send our spy north to watch the movements of the Epirotes in Greece; ive seen them capture Pella on their first turn! certainly if they plan to do that, we need to ally with them, if only to keep their greedy hands off us. yay

No RPing this post (need to figure out my characters personality first),but I will start Rping next one.

Proposal 1. Attack on Korinthos in Spring of 272
Yay.By doing so we shall be able to protect our rear and create a major military and economic base in the souther regions of Greece.

Proposal 2. Attack on Chalkis in Summer of 272
Nay.Athenians,while not the greatest soldiers,do have one of the most advanced cities in Greece.Removing the garrison to capture such a tiny city like Chalkis leaves it at risk to fall into the hands of Makedonia.

Proposal 3. Disbanding of 2/3 of fleet (52 of 78 ships) to reduce overall expenses
Yay.The more money devoted to the war effort,the better.Besides,the waters of Rhodes are currently cleared of any problems requiring the attention of a navy.

Proposal 4. Building a Coastal Clearance in Sparte in Spring of 272.
Nay.At the moment a coastal clearing is not of importance.Once the penninsula is secure,then we can focus on improving the Spartans trade.

Proposal 5. Disband and/or relocate Rhodian garrison in Spring of 272.
Yay.While I would prefer it be relocated to the mainland,I am fine with it being disband,though not completely.The Rhodian governor is old,and some forces must remain so as to keep order should he die.

Proposal 6. Construction on Athenai Military-Industrial Complex should begin by spring of 271.
Yay.War is won by those who have the most money,troops,skill,and technology.Improving the last three is most helpful to our cause.

Proposal 7.Military Alliance with the Epirotes

While not officialy on the ballot,several other councilmen have suggested this course of action.I wholeheartedly agree with them,as Pyhruss has shown he is quite capable of a battle in his past.I say Yay.

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Originally Posted by Thaatu

The "please choose an item from the list" sounds like a BI thing. If there's no "Provincial Campaign" option on the list you probably should reinstall. If there is, choose the "EB Main Campaign" through that. Are you all using 1.5 or BI?

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I'm using 1.5, but I also have BI installed. I don't use the BI-exe though, simply because my disc is somewhere in the millions of cds that I have around here and I didn't feel like digging it up.

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Originally Posted by theycallmetighty

OOC: maybe we should have a separate thread for the council and one for out of character dialogue. It kind of derails me when I read a post written by an Athenian and the next one talking about save games and mods. Also I don't think the city mod is compatible with the rp money script mod.

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Well, I was thinking I didn't want to clutter up the EB forum with several threads. You really are right though. If I get a chance this evening, maybe I'll create one, and move most of the stuff over. We can keep the ooc stuff in here. If a mod wants to delete that first thread I created, feel free. It's no longer relevant.

Since I didn't vote on all the proposals in my last post I'll just do it ooc in this one

proposal 1. yay

proposal 2. nay

proposal 3. yay

proposal 4. nay

proposal 5. yay, I also would like to clarify that I am in favor of disbanding it instead of relocating

proposal 6. nay

proposal 7. yay, an alliance with the epirotes might nothelp but I don't see how it could hurt in any way

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Originally Posted by Bootsiuv

Well, I was thinking I didn't want to clutter up the EB forum with several threads. You really are right though. If I get a chance this evening, maybe I'll create one, and move most of the stuff over. We can keep the ooc stuff in here. If a mod wants to delete that first thread I created, feel free. It's no longer relevant.

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yes your right, cluttering up the forum would be inconsiderate but I think two threads wouldn't be too bad. Or maybe instead of opening a second thread for in character discussion we could open up a battle report thread. That would probably be popular and forum goers wouldn't mind, or we could have a battle report-council thread but I think that wouldn't be a good combination

I don't think that battle reports will be too out of place in the council thread, but if many players disagree, we could always open one up.

I've tried updating the votes on proposals, but if someone wants to doublecheck, I'd appreciate it. It's a little difficult, because in some you have to pick out their votes in a paragraph, and not everyone voted on every proposal yet. Here's what I'm voting, just for reference.

1. yay
2. yay
3. yay
4. yay
5. yay
6. yay
7. yay

Before I forget,my character (the first Attikos) name is Chremonides Aithalidos Attika

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Originally Posted by Spoofa

I've never had any problems with city mod, and I always use : City mod, along with the mercenary mod, along with a money script and it always works well, of course i have to manually edit my script file to add in the money script, but that's about it, and ive never had any problems with it.

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Does that mean you have to manually create your own money script?:inquisitive:

I don't think I could do that.

So, I don't know if we should use the AI balancing mod or the City mod? Personally, I would like to be synced up with Spoofa i.e. have all of them work. I'm unsure of exactly how to do that though. I would like to get started soon, as I'm fairly certain I can see what most players want to do. Spoofa, how did you get everything to work?

nah i didnt create my own money script :laugh4: I just copy/pasted the money assistance part of the money script into my citymod script file, I have a copy I could just post here for everybody to download.

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Originally Posted by Spoofa

nah i didnt create my own money script :laugh4: I just copy/pasted the money assistance part of the money script into my citymod script file, I have a copy I could just post here for everybody to download.

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That might be best, so as to ensure everyone is playing with the same script.

to have my thoughts more organized:

Proposal 1. Attack on Korinthos in Spring of 272
Definitely
Proposal 2. Attack on Chalkis in Summer of 272
Not unless Pella has been taken by Epeiros
Proposal 3. Disbanding of 2/3 of fleet (52 of 78 ships) to reduce overall expenses
Yes, Rhodians will not need it, just get that spy off the isle and onto the mainland to get recon on Makedon
Proposal 4. Building a Coastal Clearance in Sparte in Spring of 272.
Yes if we can spare the mnai, all else should go to defending our lands and raids on small Makedonian groups
Proposal 5. Disband and/or relocate Rhodian garrison in Spring of 272.
disband all but one or two, I am old and about to be hopefully replaced by a younger Rhodian
Proposal 6. Construction on Athenai Military-Industrial Complex should begin by spring of 271.
I feel that should be in Sparte, save mnai for an Athenian mine though
Proposal 7. Military Alliance with the Epirotes
Yes, especially if we see them taking Pella

I have thought about it and I have some ideas about the rules. It was mentioned earlier that this would be kind of like king of the Germans but it doesn't really have the structure of king of the Germans. for example the voting seems to be done in the same thread as the debating whereas kog would have debate in their council thread and then voting in a poll thread. I like this idea better since it would be easier to count the votes. Also the hegemon is decided by who signed up first instead of by being voted. I would much rather vote since it would make things more interesting. I know that might mean some characters might not get a chance to be hegemon right away in that case but I think the added fun would make up for that. Also I think we should set a rule concerning the make-up of our armies so that we don't build all elite armies in the future. And just for added role playing I think we should come up with some kind of special term for our proposals so that it sounds "greek"

also just for clarification, if a players character attacks or is attacked by an army, he gets to lead the battle not the hegemon right?

wow thats a lot of suggestions, I hope I don't sound completely asinine proposing all of those ideas at once.

Yes, if a character's army is attacked or attacks, that player plays the battle, not the hegemon.

I'm definitely not as organized as I probably should be. I've opened a council thread, where we can debate proposals. I'll look into a poll thread. It was a pain in the ass trying to figure out what everyone voted after a while. Whaddya gonna do, first pbem or whatever you want to call it. :)

As for voting on hegemon, if that's what people would prefer, I'll go for it. It would likely be a few more days before we started in that case, which is fine really, as I'm in no big rush. I'm telling you that extensive testing tells me that I can take all of southern greece south of Demetrias and east of Aitolia by autumn of 272. That will be my campaign guarantee, should elections be held. :)

I like the ideas about historical accuracy, but Panhellion was the best name that I could find which related to a council that a league of city states would use. It means "all Greece". The only problem is that the Panhellion was established by the romans, not greeks, so I just wrote Council. It's simple yet effective. If you can find sources and words we could use to add to historical accuracy, I could make the necessary changes. That goes for Army makeup as well. What was a typical league army like? Isn't the KH sort of ahistorical to begin with? All good questions. Unfortunately, I don't have any answers.

We'll likely have to make sure everyone's running the right script before we start anyways. Unfortunately, it looks like the order in which you installed the "recommended" mods (should have did a little more research on the compatibility of the mods, but I swear I read somewhere that most people used both.) will affect what script your running, so we should probably find one that we like, and download it from someone who has it. Hopefully, Spoofa has a good one going, maybe we can use that.

Just remember to back up anything you overwrite. I would hate for my succession game to be the indirect cause of your EB going boom.

well i flushed my RTW folder of mods including EB, and im going to install city mod, the mercenary mod, and a money script again tomarrow, after that's done then ill post a .rar holding all the files and an instruction manual so that we're all on the same page.

well you can use both, I tried it. Not only that but they are savegame compatible, but this business of correct order installation could be trouble, does anyone know what order they should be installed in?

calling our debate thread a council is fine by me, although in classical athens I think they called their political bodies assemblies but since the Koinon Hellenon was a leugue of city states I think council is a good word for it. I mainly meant changing the word proposal, but now that I think about I can't find any alternatives and it isn't really that big of a deal so proposal will be fine.

about the armies I just meant a limit to the amount of infantry, cavalry, archers, slingers, etcetera that we can have in army, so that we don't have a half slinger- half cavalry army or othe ridiculous travesties running around.

I was think of something along the lines of

1-2 skirmishers,

1-2 slingers

2-4 cavalry

3-6 heavy/phalanx infantry

1-3 Ekdromoi Hoplitai (Greek Light Hoplites)/ Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)

1-3 exotic units (eg. elephants, horse archers when appropriate, siege weapons)

this is just something i came up with off the top of my head and can probably be improved upon. In any case it would just be a general guideline to prevent unbalanced armies.

I'm not sure how you mean that the kh is unhistorical. Their was a league f city states led by Sparta that included Athens, Rhodes, and sparta in 272 B.C. which did not last long. Correct me if I'm wrong. I wouldn't mind if you automatically took the first term to speed things along, but it depends on what everyone else thinks.

If thats your campaign promise than I'd vote for you quicker than you can say "Alexander" but it would mean political and possibly actual death if you failed

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well you can use both, I tried it. Not only that but they are savegame compatible, but this business of correct order installation could be trouble, does anyone know what order they should be installed in?

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You can use both, but they both have a money script, so I'm fairly certain installing one will change things concerning the other. Not certain that is really a problem, but I still think it would be best to download one from Spoofa. That way we'll all be assured we have the exact same script.

As far as order goes, I don't necessary think there is a right order. It depends what money script you want to use, I'd imagine.

The ideal way would probably be to install City Mod to a clean install of EB v. 0.82, then install the AI Balancing Mini-Mod (Roleplaying Version) over that (in other words, the opposite way that I did it). That way you'll have the AI balancing's money script, which I assume is a little more fine tuned than City Mods (considering city mods main focus was city size, and ai balancing's main focus WAS money script, along with Mercernaries).

Whatever we decide to do, we have to make sure everyone has the same thing, which might be why it's best to find someones who's working well, has the mods we want, and everyone takes a copy. Seems simple enough.:2thumbsup:

I'd be fine with using what Spoofa has.

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Originally Posted by theycallmetighty

well you can use both, I tried it. Not only that but they are savegame compatible, but this business of correct order installation could be trouble, does anyone know what order they should be installed in?

calling our debate thread a council is fine by me, although in classical athens I think they called their political bodies assemblies but since the Koinon Hellenon was a leugue of city states I think council is a good word for it. I mainly meant changing the word proposal, but now that I think about I can't find any alternatives and it isn't really that big of a deal so proposal will be fine.

about the armies I just meant a limit to the amount of infantry, cavalry, archers, slingers, etcetera that we can have in army, so that we don't have a half slinger- half cavalry army or othe ridiculous travesties running around.

I was think of something along the lines of

1-2 skirmishers,

1-2 slingers

2-4 cavalry

3-6 heavy/phalanx infantry

1-3 Ekdromoi Hoplitai (Greek Light Hoplites)/ Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)

1-3 exotic units (eg. elephants, horse archers when appropriate, siege weapons)

this is just something i came up with off the top of my head and can probably be improved upon. In any case it would just be a general guideline to prevent unbalanced armies.

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Something like that would be good. I agree.

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I'm not sure how you mean that the kh is unhistorical. Their was a league f city states led by Sparta that included Athens, Rhodes, and sparta in 272 B.C. which did not last long. Correct me if I'm wrong. I wouldn't mind if you automatically took the first term to speed things along, but it depends on what everyone else thinks.

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I just meant it was ahistorical in the fact that they're bound together tightly in-game, able to create an empire, something they were probably not in a position to do in 272 BC. On the other hand, I would rather they were playable than eleuthoroi, so you just have to deal with the limitations of the game.

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If thats your campaign promise than I'd vote for you quicker than you can say "Alexander" but it would mean political and possibly actual death if you failed

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At this point, I'm almost certain Antigonos is scripted to go north somehow. It almost feels like cheating. He always goes north. If you besiege Korinthos, he goes north. If you sit on your ass and do nothing, he goes north. It's really quite easy. Try it out yourself and you'll see what I mean.

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I just meant it was ahistorical in the fact that they're bound together tightly in-game, able to create an empire, something they were probably not in a position to do in 272 BC. On the other hand, I would rather they were playable than eleuthoroi, so you just have to deal with the limitations of the game.

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hmm, I never thought about that, your right that is ahistorical.

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Something like that would be good. I agree.At this point, I'm almost certain Antigonos is scripted to go north somehow. It almost feels like cheating. He always goes north. If you besiege Korinthos, he goes north. If you sit on your ass and do nothing, he goes north. It's really quite easy. Try it out yourself and you'll see what I mean.

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actually I think I remember him besieging Athens once, in a campaign, but I think I beat him in that one. Yes your right though he does go north an overwhelming majority of the time.

http://files.filefront.com/City+mod+.../fileinfo.html


There, ive merged the scripts, (city mod has editted the celtic and roman reforms a bit, meaning if we ever go against either of them we have a better chance of fighting polybian or celtic reform troops :yes: ) and here is the link.


All credit due to

Redmeth- for the AI balancing mod

mlp071- for the AI balancing mod (sorry i forgot yah mlp071)

MarcusAureliusAntoninus- for his Citymod

just extract into your EB folder, everything should go where its suppose to.

should we clear the city and rp mods and then download this, or isit ok to just overwrite it?

you can just overwrite, make sure to delete your map.rwm thing

excellent! thank you

Awesome, Spoofa, thanks for the help. Everyone who is playing should download this soon.

Now that I know we'll have the same script, I can finally begin the game.

EDIT: Just wanted to say that mlp071 is co-creator of the A.I. Balancing Mod, so thanks to him too. :)

So are we going to be voting for hegemon, I haven't seen anyone else voice in about that. I wouldn't mind if Bootsiuv just took the first term to speed things along.

Well, I'm still having the same problem I had with the other city mod...it tells me to "choose an item from the list" when I press the EB Main Campaign button.

Perhaps Spoofa should take the first term until I can work things out. I'll just go to the end of the rotation. I've decided that I'm going to completely uninstall Rome and then try it fresh, but I really don't know if I can bother with city mod.

I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. I extracted it into the Rome-Total War folder, and answered yes when it asked me to overwrite things.

:inquisitive:

2 points.

1. It works fine for me, Im guessing you error has somthing to do with your BI install even though I also have BI installed... hm, maybe post in the techincal forum.


2. Can i still be the younger spartan? :laugh4:

Sure. I'll try to figure it out. Hopefully I can take part in my own succession game. LOL! :)

Spoofa can be the first hegemon, that's fine with me. Now this finally get's started:laugh4:

ah one question before i get started, what is the unit size? also, which proposals are confirmed yay and which one's are nay, also after every turn i suppose I am required to post the situation and then the council has to vote again on what to do? or do i just play out the 2 years of my term and then show the current situation?

Unit size should be no higher than large. That way people with older machines will still have a decent chance at playing. I would advise large, just because unit sizes at normal are just too small.

After looking over the votes, this is what I'm getting.

proposal 1. yay
proposal 2. nay
proposal 3. yay(although the Hegemon is never required to build anything by a certain date...these should be seen as guidelines.
proposal 4. yay
proposal 5. yay (although, remember the Hegemon has final say in matters of garrison, so I would advise against it. There is only 2 units with the governor, and he dies rather quickly.)
proposal 6. yay(once again, you have final say on if this should be built, these are simply showing you what the majority of the Koinon members want. I would still advise that a Athenai MIC should be started before your term is done.)
proposal 7. yay (Hegemon has final say on spy and assassin networks, once again, these are just guidelines to show you what the other members would like to see you accomplish in your term.

I would advise a council meeting held halfway through your turn, or after one year of gametime. That way, you don't have to wait to see what people want you to do every single turn. Accomplish what you can during the first year, and then report back here so the council can discuss.

I was wondering if I could still play battles, or would the fact that I don't have city mod screw it up? If not, I'll play the battle for Korinthos, considering I'm still Areus. If it isn't compatible, maybe someone else should be Areus.

One last thing to note, you cannot embark on a major military campaign without council approval. If you want to invade Thessalia before the halfway mark of your term, you'll have to ask the council. They will also appoint a general to lead the campaign. The Hegemon cannot change these things without approval. You also cannot declare war without first recieving a majority of votes from the council. Finally, if a nation declares war on us, an emergency meeting should be called to discuss the best course of action.

one final question :laugh:


1. What about adoptions? is it up to the Hegemon?

Wait, whats unit size?

large

As lurker of this thread,

I have a question will you guys post screenshots (with or without FOW) of your kingdom i follow this thread closely and can't wait for the big discussions later on i'm also interested in the behavior and player experience of the installed minimods

thank you and good luck

Yes, i took about a million screenshots of the campaign and battle map, I would take video like in the Sands of Time and such, but I've got to wait for my new computer (monday) before i can get decent FPS.

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one final question :laugh:


1. What about adoptions? is it up to the Hegemon?

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Yes.

Sorry, I should have been more clear with my question. How do you adjust unit size, ive never heard of that before. (I know, Im a noob)

under options in the main menu, you have to enable the advanced options and unit size should be on right, towards the top.

he means under video options.

I've updated the first post to include the right links to the file we're using. Please download these files (remember to back up first) and make sure everything works ok if you haven't already done so.

If I wasnt so busy with my AAR and school I would have loved to have done this...I will just be sitting here watching the action. It looks interesting so far.

Yeah, a little chaotic. I'm using this succession game as a training game of sorts, to figure out all of the little things which work well and those that don't work so well. I plan on starting a carthaginian succession game following this one, so try to set a little time aside for that one. The more players the better.

BTW, I will require an update for your excellent aar on carthage nightly. I can't be bothered with excuses. Just make it happen, guy. :P

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Yeah, a little chaotic. I'm using this succession game as a training game of sorts, to figure out all of the little things which work well and those that don't work so well. I plan on starting a carthaginian succession game following this one, so try to set a little time aside for that one. The more players the better.

BTW, I will require an update for your excellent aar on carthage nightly. I can't be bothered with excuses. Just make it happen, guy. :P

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haha you know how many people are :whip: me over these updates! I would love to do the Succession game with Carthage.

Carthage would be awesome... anyhow head back in the game...
I will finish my Hegemon term tomorrow without attacking Pella :yes: