The guys from CA seem to have been dropping in pretty frequently the last couple of days so I was wondering if they could give a guesstimate of the expected system requirements for Empire.
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The guys from CA seem to have been dropping in pretty frequently the last couple of days so I was wondering if they could give a guesstimate of the expected system requirements for Empire.
I would say something like a minimum of a
P4/Athlon 2.5 GHz
1 gig RAM
7300 GS 256 MB
14 gig HD
just a geuss... most definatly Shader 3 needed... I could be all wrong but that's what I would think :inquisitive:
HAL 9000 ~;p
From looking at the screenshots:
System Requirements: whatever you got - it aint enough.
Word, brother. I don't think an 8800 can handle that in 3D. Maybe dual 8800s.
Isn't an 8800 one of the best graphics cards out there? They can't ask their customers to have dual 8800's, not even some hardcore gamers have those. 1GB of RAM seems a likely requirement though.
Keep in mind two things. First, the promo shots are done on very good rigs. Second, if you work hard on it, you can really optimize a game and still make it look good and play on old hardware. Bioshock does a pretty good job of it, from what I understand.
So what do you think? Vista compatible?
Probably. Just hopefully not "Vista exclusive". Don't trust it yet to replace my old faithful reliable XP. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraggenmor
Yeah :help:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveybaby
i would definitely say if they want a big market for ETW, dont make it have ridiculously high system requirements. most of the gamers i know have ok systems, nothing big, including myself. i have 1.25 gb of RAM, the GeForce FX 5200 (256 mb) and a 2.53 ghz processor. do you think thats enough?
I doubt they're going to be breaking heads with amazingly high specs guys. This is CA, where all are welcome. They want the biggest market, that isnt exclusive to hardcore gamers.
better tell that to CA
CA are generally kind. Take M2TW specs, up that a bit.
Please do all the wonderful graphics tricks with DX9 instead of DX10. I love TW, but nothing is worth having to buy Vista.
Fact of life. Lots of games are leaping on the Games for Windows Band wagon and I have no doubts considering this game isn't coming out till mid 08 it will work with Vista and XP both, I assume.
That said if you don't have dual core or Athlon equivelent and one hell of a graphics card you won't be able to run it.
That's the point. Rendering moving water well is one of the most difficult computer graphics tasks out there. And if those are real screenshots, they're putting a lot of detail into the water. It's going to chug like a dying moose if you try to run in on a FX 5200 or a 7300--which can barely run M2TW at low detail. And what's the fun of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
Considering Vista requires 1GB itself, if it's a DX10 game they'd be foolish not to require 2GB of RAM at minimum. Good thing there's a year to save up for that upgraded system.
If it's out in 08 then it'll be on vista, and that means DX10.
Time for an upgrade!
DX 10 strategy? I think you wrong. In 2008 only some shooters/RPGs will fully require DX10.
Crysis is mostly DX9 game with some dx10 features. There is no need (I think) in dx10 for ETW. Maybe dx10 perfomance improvements, by I'm not expert in it.
But I can do not care about it . After army in 09 I'll buy new comp, and it willn't be something like my current celeron-northw.@2.7,512 ram-266,geforce fx5200 128mb 64bit!:laugh3:
Pentium 4 or equivalent
NVIDIA 6600 or equivalent
1 GB RAM
It's not going to be a DX10 game, DX10 is for an entirely different customer base.Quote:
Originally Posted by gardibolt
P4 3,0
1 Ghz ram
geforce 6600
not working on Vista
Lowest...Quote:
P4 3,0
1 Ghz ram
geforce 6600
Max: Core2Duo@3GHz
2gb ddr2
8800
If you compare pics from say Pirates of the Caribbean(2003 PC) or to any recent sea-battle game then pics CA released arent anything revolutionary. Just something you naturally expect to see in good 2008 games.Quote:
From looking at the screenshots:
System Requirements: whatever you got - it aint enough.
Of course I cant remember any sea game with actual soldiers boarding other ships.(in larger numbers) That would be new and require extra power.
Hmm, there's the Video Options you know. IIRC M2TW requires 128Mb of Video memory with shader support. This will require some more; say a good 256Mb one should do.
RAM: M2TW could do with 512Mb; so 1024 Mb would be reasonable.
Processor: there are more demanding processes out there than a TW one. So I think if you have some 2.0Ghz you should be (more than) fine.
Leaves us with OS requirements. M2TW was cool with older version than XP too; I imagine that this game won't require Vista just yet.
We will know in 2008; and if my guesses are worth anything, we will know by Christmas 2008. ~;)
EDIT: Of course CA will (highly) recommend more powerful systems.
That's largely what i was thinking too, but probably a little faster processor like maybe a non celeron 2.5ghz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
That would be the absolute minimum requirements. Possibly also shader 2.0 as a requirement for vid cards, which wasn't the case for MIITW iirc.
I would also guess that this engine won't be using dx10 yet as it wasn't around when they started building the engine. I predict that the evolution of this engine (the tw game after empire) will be using optional dx10 effects. The next revolution will probably use dx10 standard, with maybe some barely playable legacy support for dx9. My personal guess.
If it's much as a hog as Oblivion, that would be just sad; I dunno wanna use 60 men units, I rather have at least large.
I have
1 gig
3ghz
Pentium 4 HT
7600 GS
Do you think I can run it well?
I got:
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 2,4 GHz
Raedeon x800 video card
1 gb RAM
XP.
Hopefully, thats enough cuz i dont think i got enough cash for a big upgrade in mid 2008.
This is my current machine - by no means a top end spec.
(About 9 Months Old)
Intel Core2Duo 2.2Ghz
Radeon X1950 512MB
2GB DDR2 800mhz Memory
This runs MTW2 fine, with most settings maxed at 1280 x 1024 res.
I would imagine that the new game should run OK with these sorts of specs, and by the time it's released, you will be able to pick something like this up for very little.
I have a 1 GB of ram, and my PC struggles running CoH and it have fairly powerful graphics card :furious3: (Nothing like a 8800 though) so im getting a new one soon, well around this time next year, which will be alot more powerful (2 GB OF RAM :2thumbsup:, well the one im looking at now) But strangly MTW:2 works a treat in a dream
So I think getting a new one will be... very much necessary
I think the minimum system requirements will be...
3 GHZ P4 or AMD equivalent
1 GB ram
8GB Hard drive space
256MB video ram with DX9.0c vertex/shader 2.0 (Nvidea 6800 or better)
Recommended...
Dual core 2GHz or more
512mb GPU or 320mb 8800 GTS
2GB ram
8GB hard drive
DX10 optional
Seriously it shouldn't be that expensive to buy a computer to run this at least medium-high settings. 8800's should be $150-200 by the time this game comes out. No worries. If you can only play M2TW on low settings then time for an upgrade. Ram is so cheap too. 2GB of DDR2 800mhz @ $100.
Processor of 4GHz
4 GB of RAM
1 GB Vid-Card
I think those are the requirements for the best settings. :grin2:
Next year will be released new generation vid.cards (g100/r700).
They will handle it very well!
in that case, im eternally screwed. im stuck with a PCI card, and the best i can get is an Nvidia 6200 (i think) and i dont even know what my procesor is like... but i know its 2.53 ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belgolas
i think having incredibly high even minimum requirements, as you stated above, will toll heavy on sales. most of us cannot afford to get totally new computers. ~:mecry:
Simple fact: If M2TW looks & plays ok on your PC, you're going to be able to run ETW about the same visual quality & resolution.
It might not look as good as a better PC but won't look worse than you already have.
Same thing happened with RTW -> M2TW.
Only those currently maxing M2TW settings at high resolution with lots of AA & AF might have to choose between toning things down a bit or look at an upgrade to keep max settings, AA & AF but those sorts are probably going to be looking at an upgrade before then anyway.
The requirements could be quite different, remember...new engine :wink:
Remember... same hardware has same processing power.
CA are great coders so its unlikely that the new engine would require more resources to produce the same quality graphical output.
Maybe it does a bit more CPU work per soldier between frames (particularly in AI I hope) but the chances are most people are Graphics limited anyway so this shouldn't cause too much issue.
i actually was just offered $1000 to do something really easy for the next year, so i guess ill be buying a whole new system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just basically took Supreme Commander's Recommended settings and put that as minimum. Also if you can't afford it that sucks. But I could be wrong. Half Life 2 you can get amazing graphics for little requirements. But don't expect the same computer to run games forever.
might have to save up some money at the end of this year - infact i think my lil bro is getting a new computer might shove my old graphics card onto him and take a new DX10 one? :P
I agree with some of the other comments. I will upgrade RAM and a new graphics card - within reason - but not Vista. If it's Vista exclusive count me out.
For minimum playable system I would recommend definately Core 2duo proc (no matter what model, overclock is useful), 1 gig ddr2, and 8800 gts 320 (this for now, but actually than game comes there will be more reasonable hardwares on market)
A 320MB 8800GTS while well behind the bleeding edge is still one heck of a graphics card & certainly way above the 'minimum'.
Minimum for running at max game settings & high resolution with decent AA & AF, maybe.
ETW better not be Vista only & DX10, because I won't be buying it in any kind of hurry if it is.
I know well actually I don't know, but it will not be DX10 only. There will be probably an option to allow some DX10 features like all DX10 games right now. Do no worries. The only worry is Vista. Which would lower their market to be very limited.
im actually about to order a new laptop-
windows vista home premium
2 gb of RAM, Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo processor T2450 (2.0 GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 533MHz FSB)
the 256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7400
160GB 5400RPM hard drive.
hows that? the maker is HP.
and only for $828.99!
I have
3.0GHz P4
2GB DDR RAM
Radeon 9800 128MB
Do you think this could handle ETW?
What about AGP graphics cards anyway? I would be willing to spend some 200€ on a nicer 512MB AGP graphics card. Could that help much regarding ETW?
Centurio Nixalsverdrus
Graphics on lowest, no big battles, etc...:inquisitive: Also it may not support needed shader.Quote:
3.0GHz P4
2GB DDR RAM
Radeon 9800 128MB
Do you think this could handle ETW?
AGP is yesterday. If you haven't troubles with money, I suggest you to move on a new platform (fully new comp).Quote:
What about AGP graphics cards anyway? I would be willing to spend some 200€ on a nicer 512MB AGP graphics card. Could that help much regarding ETW?
See if you can upgrade the chip to a T7100 and the video to a Go 8600. Then you should be good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy14
Well you could probably get a PCI-e mobo and a new video card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus
The computer is good but the video card is lacking. You need a better one if you want some eye candy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy14
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Originally Posted by Belgolas
funny- people were saying the same thing over at the official forums.... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by gardibolt
http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/21856
im on the last couple of pages of that thread.....
Centurio Nixalsverdrus: a basic rule of thumb is, if you can play the latest issue in the series (smoothly) at full settings; the next one will be possible (with low settings). So if you've got M2TW you can already test that bit.
EDIT: In all likelihood, you still will have to upgrade your GFX card to something more powerful, though. Since this kind of game mainly seems to consume raw memory & power rather than sophistication; I'd say you should look for a card with a healthy dosage of onboard RAM; of the newer types.
Thanks for your reply, Tellos, and all the others who replied.~:)
That's why I asked about the 512MB graphics card, although AGP. I know AGP is yesterday, but I do not want to do major changes, since my computer is running very well with most games (I even got FSX to run smoothly) and I don't want to spend so much money. Going for another type of card than AGP would mean I would have to change the mainboard, and then I could change the processor as well, and then the RAM.Quote:
I'd say you should look for a card with a healthy dosage of onboard RAM
Oh come on fellas, a Radeon 9800 is a fine piece of kit.
It'll run ETW just fine.
The question is at what resolution & if that is good enough for the person who is using it.
A 9800 is probably going to be fine at 1024*768 and mine managed ok in M2TW demo at 1280*1024 with careful fiddling of game options.
The same card ran RTW just fine at 1920*1200.
1024*768 is ~750,000 pixels
1280*1024 (17-19" LCD) is ~1.3 million pixels
1600*1200 is ~2 million pixels
1920*1200 (24" LCD) is ~2.3 million pixels
2560*1600 (30" LCD) is ~4 million pixels
You can see from the above that the number of pixels and so the amount of work per frame increases very quickly at the higher resolutions.
This is particularly important where advanced shaders come into play, with lots of extra work being done for each pixel meaning that you need lots of extra graphics power to run at the higher resolutions.
Vista's having an impact, even for XP users. New games have to be designed to run on Vista. Those that do seem to assume you have a lot of processor and memory power. It's almost as if Vista assumes a mimimum level of complexity.
The batch of games coming out this year, starting with Bioshock, are finally beyond what my processor can handle. Despite this, I have no plans to upgrade. I can't get a new processor without getting a new motherboard, since a worthwhile new CPU won't be an AMD Socket "A." If I get a new motherboard, it won't have an AGP video slot, but a PCI Express. My video card is AGP. That mean's I'll need a new processor, motherboard and a new video card — might as well get a new machine with a better power supply for all that.
Yes, the leap from AGP to PCIexpress is a painful one for the upgrader:
New mobo, new CPU, new RAM (DDR2), new graphics card = might as well buy a new PC altogether
I doubt you could run it well. Maybe minimum settings at 1024 x 768 and tiny unit scale. I have a 7600 GT XXX and I can't run M2TW @1920 x 1200 with any specs well.
Thats because a 7600GT is a low-mid level card.
I have a low-high end X1900GT & it runs M2TW well enough at 1900*1200 with max. game settings & low AA/AF.
There is a huge step up from mid level to high end.
Well of course the screenshots they use to show off will be maxed out quality. And it truthfully doesn't look that much better than Medieval 2 graphics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveybaby
I'd say they will be a bit higher than Medieval 2, but if you can run that very well on low-medium (but run fine past minimum is the point), you should be able to run E:TW at minimum at the very least.
But this is just a prediction, of course.
AGP is yesterday? :wall:
And I thought I only needed to boost my 1.5 RAM to at least 2 or 3.
Quoted for truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoom
You can get AGP versions of the X1950pro, and while its not top of the range in absolute terms, its still pretty respectable, and is by far the most powerful AGP card out there. Whether it will handle empire's or not is anyone's guess though.
Mailman653
RAM is a last thing that you need to upgrade! 1.Video card 2.Processor 3.RAMQuote:
And I thought I only needed to boost my 1.5 RAM to at least 2 or 3.
For M2TW 1 gig is good.
For ETW maybe it will be minimum.
Main problem is whether the PCs powersupply can handle the X1950pro.Quote:
Whether it will handle empire's or not is anyone's guess though.
Makes the eventual upgrade to PCIE that much harder too, since a bunch of money got sunk into that X1950pro & It'll have to be replaced when the next mobo/CPU is purchased :drama1:
I have never been able to play any Total War title at full detail and the largest unit sizes until years after its' release. Every one seemed to be beyond current technology when new. My current rig isn’t the absolute latest and greatest but it’s only 6 months old and M:TW2 defies smooth frame rates when large armies enter huge cities at max detail.
I expect to play Empire:TW at full detail sometime in 2010 or later, regardless of when I next upgrade.
Poster on last page was correct, resolutions is what really matters. Graphics card memory for instance, if you have an 8800gts 320mg on 1024x768 it will run almost exactly the same as an 8800gts 640mg...
Memory isn't as important as speed (which btw those two cards will still run same since they're exactly the same cept for memory iirc)
I'm absolutely fine with 1024x768...
Usually you need to upgrade your RAM sooner than your CPU; provided that you keep playing RTS, or such genres. (With FPS it becomes cleary a different matter.)
True enough. PSU's are pretty cheap though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoom
Its that age old question: upgrade a little bit or scrap the whole thing and buy a completely new system. Obviously we'd all rather buy a whole new system but sometimes finances dont allow that.Quote:
Makes the eventual upgrade to PCIE that much harder too, since a bunch of money got sunk into that X1950pro & It'll have to be replaced when the next mobo/CPU is purchased :drama1:
2.4 Dual-Core AMD overcloccked to 3.1
7600 gt Nvidia
2 GB RAM
22 Inch LCD
I can play M2 at high with no problems, and I got this rig for only 1300 Canadian NEW. Look up this stuff man it rocks. Oh and it has a media card and Media XP or whatever its called
OMG, if thats true I must be the biggest sucker on the PLANETQuote:
Originally Posted by ratbarf
My PC is in my sig, and with that I can play M2TW at max settings and units sizes with only a little bit of lag, usually at the start of battles and only if I zoom in on the units. Also I only tend to get it during sieges. I reckon I should be OK with ETW on medium settings, especially considering Overclockers UK owe me another 1GB RAM since I got a dodgy one with my PC that caused all kinds of crashes. With 2GB RAM and an 8800GS, I should be OK for ETW on medium shouldn't I?
ya- u should be. im revising my choice of video cards, so instead of the Nvidia 7400, it will be the Nvidia 8400. hows that? and my processor will be a 2.40 ghz processor, not a 2.0 ghz.
My specs are those :
AMD Athlon 64 Dual 3800 +
2 GeForce 6600 LE Vid Cards (SLI)
1 Gb RAM
Do you think those will be suffinceint to play ETW ?
What changes should I make ?
somehow, i doubt it. sorry. you may be able to, but on the lowest settings and even then you will probably have a lot of lag. i would get a RAM upgrade, another gb would be sufficient, and a better graphics card.
That should, at a guess, be fine Tristan de Castelreng. I would predict that the specifications you have should be able to play the game on around about average settings - the CA usually make the requirements suitable for a rather average PC around about the time of the release date.
I read a while ago that Shader Model I would be phased out by DirectX 10 - all games designed upon the new version would no longer work correctly with it. If Empire: Total War does choose to utilise DirectX 10, and the information which I read was true, then I would expect possession of a Nvidia Geforce 5 Series or an ATi equivalent GPU to be required to run the game.
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Originally Posted by K COSSACK
Hmm yah its true, I got it at Best Buy last christmas. Twas totally rocken.
I hope this will be the minimum system requirements:
2 GHZ Quad Core Processor
3 GB of ram
10 GB Hard drive space
Nvidia 8800 gts 640 mb
I would say that that would be a little extreme Galapagos. My PC rig is reasonably high-spec and it fails to meet the majority of those drastic requirements. If that was to be the minimum, many players would be forced to purchase an entirely new PC to be able to play - as you may expect, a large majority of customers will be unwilling to do this. I do doubt that they CA would go that high for that reason.
I was only joking but i wish there was any game that has this requirments :beam:
Do you think i will be able to play that game at maximum settings with this computer:
Intel Quad Core Q6600 2,4GHz Socket 775 FSB1066 8Mb BOX
4 of Kingmax DDR2 1GB PC6400 800MHz
BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC2, 640MB GDDR3
Yep, at a guess, based upon my previous presumptions, you should be able to run it on reasonably high settings, if not the highest.
2.8 GHz
512 RAM
Radeon X1300/1550 256 MB Card
I don't think my comp can run it. :laugh4: :sweatdrop: