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there I was
my 600 legionaries and one equites+ general
fresh troops
never seen battle
and the massive 7 stack gaul army lie infront of me!
numbering 5000 troops!
no bridge
no cover
not mountain
just me
and them comming from all sides
but what did I do?
KILL THEM ALL MUAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
I must say there has never been a slaughter of gauls in history that matches mine
I've got one that matches yours.
320 spartan warriors in front of a bridge. Enter over 6000 enemy troops (some eastern cav from Egypt and Gaul infantry). A while later, about 200 Spartans left.
Madness? ^_~
Um, they're Spartans? On a bridge? Nothing impressive.
Try an entire Roman army beaten by a Barbarian General's Bodyguard. I was the Spanish. And this general wasn't even a faction leader.
When a legend enters the fray...
Well in one of my battles...........................WAIT 7 FULL STACKS!?:jawdrop: Okay so thats pretty impressive.
I don't believe anything without pics.
You have a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Not to discredit your victory or anything. It's just harder to appreciate quality commanding when elite units are used and the terrain heavily favours said units. It's still quite a good victory.
Welcome to the Org ~:wave:
Nah, it was somewhat stacked in my Favor. I just wanted to see if 300 spartans could hold a pass from thousands in RTW. And I thought I had saved the screenshot, but did not... On the other hand, I do have a replay, if anyone knows how I can actually upload it?
And thanks for the welcome, Craterus ^_^
Uh wha?
it was on a pretty much barren feild i had no advantage at all
it was just me and them as I said
I am without a doubt the most powerful general ever
to be powerful is differant to being great
:weirdthread:
Oh come on, take it easy and let them boast...:beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Subedei
boasting is a good thing, but the greatest general might be a little presumptuous, still good victory. also the 300 spartan thing is beleivable as I put 3 full units of legionary cohorts onto on full unit of spartans and they routed my legionaries.... :skull: but dont worry :idea2: Flame arrows do the trick and then let the legionaries stick it to them demoralised scum! :whip:
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Originally Posted by gaiusjulii
Really, flame arrows demoralize Spartans? I've never had that experience. And the biggest problem is the really big shields that said Spartans had. I had about 1500 archers (this was on Huge size) wail on spartans until they ran out of ammo. I lost about 150. And those red robed warriors weren't shaken a bit.
Pretty much whenever I use Spartans, they only flee if they are MASSIVELY outnumbered and their General dies. Otherwise they sit there at "Eager" and "Fresh".
The only way I've been able to kill them, as rome, is to flank. Send a unit into the front then flank flank flank! But that's true with any Phalanx.
i didnt say i was the greatest
and i can boast
id love to see anyof you try to beat me in multiplayer
heck id take all of you on
im the most powerful ever
Err, look at the thread title mate. Supplement best and greatest; two pretty interchangable words, and you are clearly a hypocrite :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by s_tabikha
is that a challenge fate?
cmon
multiplayer
you and me
les'go
[QUOTE=Benandorf]Really, flame arrows demoralize Spartans? I've never had that experience. And the biggest problem is the really big shields that said Spartans had. I had about 1500 archers (this was on Huge size) wail on spartans until they ran out of ammo. I lost about 150. And those red robed warriors weren't shaken a bit.QUOTE]
Hi Benandorf,
as you say they are seriously hard to demoralize, maybe i was alittle vague in my decription, the tactic i tend to use now is Hit them with pilum at close range from 1 or 2 units legionaries as they are hit from that i highlight all 4 units of my archers with flame arrows and click them onto one unit at a time (fire at will doesnt seem to do anything to them) the pilum seems to disrupt the formation enough for the concentrated arrows fire to lower morale as they hit the confused mass of men, then the legionaries charge in and bring a cavalry unit in the rear preferably a family member as they have far better cavalry. this seems to do the trick, thank god my AI dont seem to use them in abundance :2thumbsup:
Enough About The Spartans
More About Me
Shut up Tarik. Trounce ya. easy.
tarik?
trounce?
I just had a great battle, 600 men against 2000 legionnaires.
My infantry routed quickly, even my faction leader (!!!) routed after a failed charge... but i got three heavily depleted light chariot units left :beam:
In 10 minutes the Roman army was routed, and the way to Rome is clear.
Exactly what I was going to say. I beat 18,000 elephants with my unit of (oh my god, I actually forgot any vanilla names....damn EB)whatever. :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks
Yeah, it's a good thing EB did something about the confusing names in vanilla.
"Framèharjoz forward!" :whip:
nothing compared to me, i ever played it somewhere at my friends home,
i got 4 groups of 60 spartan hoplites, the enemy had 1000 light and heavy cavalry (enemy were romans) the romans had early legionaries and praetorian stuff around 5000, cavalry (the 2000) was compared of equites from the prehistorical age, and praetorian cavalry,
the enemy had no archers
i put my spartans in 4 circles, those romans idiots became meat on a stick, haha, only few spartans died
guess what?
i won an heroic history
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screensh...374720dd9e.jpg
Beat that K:D. 100:1, and the AI had much better troops than I did. Even with the walls, it was unbelievable. Those are not large or epic walls either.
I also had one battle where I had 4 units of peasants and one general against about 1000 enemy romans. My gates had been spied open, too.
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screensh...8822f25e3e.jpg
P.S. Sorry about the size, but xfire makes them tiny.
When did the Org turn into Gamefaqs?
Sorry to sound cynical, but how did you manage that?
Never! We may get some idiots here, but the majority of Orgahs are kind, civilized people.Quote:
When did the Org turn into Gamefaqs?
On topic, I'd be interested in seeing proof as well. So, then I can try to recreate the same kind of battle.
Were those last bits aimed at me, or him? Cause I was just playing along; I didn't mean to turn this into a gamefaqs type topic...
I'm fairly curious about his win, too. Unless you were speaking of how I did those strange battles, in which case I'm only mildly curious.
T'was a general comment about the Org. I didn't mean to insult anyone here. Sorry if I did :oops:
I was wondering about s_tabikha's victory.
It is easy to obtain a heroic victory:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Just make an army only with cavalry and attack the enemy.
Yeah. In fact, all my victories have been heroic in the last times. It's very rare i get one clear victory right now, and usually only happens when i vastly outnumber the opponent. I am playing with Gaul and i have 4 generals with over 8 stars. Why? Heroic victory after heroic victory after heroic victory against romans, germans and britons. With that barbarian cavalry (9 attack plus 9 charge=devastating 18 charge) and some warband i wiped out everybody in my way. I grab most of troops i had the north of italy and with only some extra warbands recruited as i was progressing i had already destroyed julii and the senate. And i beat most senate's army in open field... And now that i can recruit chosen swordmen and soon gaul's archers i am not seeing much more oposition from the rest of the other roman's factions... Note: trying to break the enemies' formation is especially effective when fighting romans with barbarians. Try to "push" your troops over the legions in order to disorder them. This will increase your kills quite a bit.
With cathage is the same strategy so i get the same heroic victories most of the time. Even with macedon is heroic after heroic victory, i just send my phalanxes in tight formation, protect my flanks with cavalry, put my archers firing over their heads and after stopped/killed the enemies' cavalry, i charge on their flanks/rear and the funny is over... At least the AI is smart enough to try to flank me, even though they are stupid enough to charge on the front of my phalanxes. I think it's due to my archers firing over my pikes, because i am not seeing other reason for a general charging right into a phalanx.
Maybe he was drinking vodka all the day..:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by ixidor
*sigh* too true... And it's even worse in Medieval 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapagos
Why is there no love for infantry armies?
I had battles where none or 1 of my soldiers died. There were not major battles tho.
Because in most of the un-modded games, cavalry is simply overpowered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benandorf
In MTW, generic cavalry did not seem to thump decent infantry too badly, but elite cavalry could tear them up. This was especially true of a lone, highly skilled general. They could defeat small armies.
In RTW, any cavalry could thump infantry pretty badly. I once tested a generic Persian Cataphract against a Seluecid Silver Sheild pike bloc. The test involved a flat field and a frontal charge by the Cataphract against the normal-depth Pikes in phalanx formation. The Cat's won. I kept adding arms/armor to the Silver Sheild, and they kept losing. I then added experience.
The Pikes did not manage a win, ever, with less than 3 bronze chevrons (gold armor & sword) to the Cats' nothing. The Silver Shields did not win a majority of the time until they had 2 silver chevrons. It was not until 3 gold chevrons that the generic, no improvements whatsover group of 55 Cataphracts were completely outclassed by 121 Pikers. Even up to 2 gold chevrons, they would win about 1 time in 20 or so.
Well, Cats may not have been a fair test, because they are really heavily armored...
But it was more of a rhetorical question anyways. In medieval times, the simply fact was that heavy cavalry was the biggest threat on the field. Highly mobile and hit like a truck. In roman times it wasn't as bad (as I've seen reflected in RTW, since generally cavalry hits hard, but dies very quickly when bogged down, unlike the M2 ones that can survive forever in combat), but cavalry was still a big part.
They need a Stone Age: Total War, where cavlary isn't even used. Though I suppose Americas fits the bill decently (and that's one reason I love it so.)
I don't think cavalry is that overpowered in vanilla RTW. If I charged a unit of cataphracts against a group of silver shields, I know my cataphracts will probably lose.
One time, I ordered my group of cataphracts to move in front of my silver shield pikemen. But since there wasn't enough space or something, the cataphracts stupidly ran into some of the pikes on the front right side of the pikemen. Needless to say, 1/3 of the unit died instantly. Even frontal charges using cataphracts vs the pathetic eastern infantry would lose 3-5 cataphracts out of 27. Charges to the back will still kill 2-3.
The overpoweredness, in my opinion, are the Roman pilums. A praetorian cohort unit unloaded their pilums toward the front of my silver shields and killed 1/4 of my men before they even engaged in melee combat!
Seamas, what difficulty level was the battle set on when you did your tests?
Medium, so as to negate bonuses in either direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benandorf
Didn't Rome Total Realism increase the Cavalry stats and reduce those of the archers so as to be more realistic?Quote:
Originally Posted by gummybear00
Wouldn't that mean that the Cav's in Vanilla RTW are not strong enough?
Now this is indeed a heroic victory. Why? I had 3 units of rounded shield cavalry, 1 of skirmishers and 1 of balearic slingers against 5 units of warband, 1 warlord and 1 unit of barbarian cavalry. The odds were very much against me (no infantry to fight, low class cavalry, less then half the men of my enemy) and i didn't even decide to fight them to win, i just wanted to make some casualties with my skirmishers and slingers, eventually one or another flank charge and get out of there, retraining them and preparing the army for another day, so i put my light infantry in a double line, 1 cavalry unit in the flank and the other 2 in the other. I also put them relatively close to the final line in order to retreat. Now, when the fight began, seeing my lone cavalry unit in my right flank, the AI decided to charge it with his barbarian cavalry. Seeing that, i retreat my rounded shield cavalry and brought the other 2 from the other flank, who joined with the retreating unit (i made the enemy came to where i wanted) and charged the enemy cavalry unit, thus making it routing. I started to chase them, yet the enemy general decided to attack my slingers so i directed 2 cavalry units right to the general. Lucky me, the general continued to chase the slingers and decided to ignore the rear charge, continuing to chase the slingers (and his infantry was now too far away to support him) so my rounded shield cavalry pretty much destroyed him (almost unbelivable for me). Then, i realized, without his cavalry i could actually win! And i did it, using my light infantry to separate the enemy infantry i destroyed each of the 5 warband units one by one, and even most funny, after destroyed the first one and marching for the second one my captain's unit passed close to other unit of warbands, which made the unit lost as much as 2 men, yet it starting to routing! Thank god the other 2 cavalry units were still pretty mostly undamaged so I quickly put 2 other units (who were chasing my skirmishers) routing, then another one, and at last 1 unit that was chasing my slingers meanwhile. Crushing victory indeed :2thumbsup:. Even among all the heroic victories i usually get with Carthage, this one was pretty much unusual (and heroic).
:daisy:
Well, not really. Try to fight a decent enemy in open field with the greeks and see yourself being flanked and crushed from all the sides, or even better, be wiped out by archers. Greeks are very good indeed in city fights and choke points but in open field then can be quite curshed.Quote:
:daisy:
That's why i usually prefer to play with Macedon instead.
Yeah, greeks are great until you realize they have one mode of attack: line up, hold alt and click behind the enemy. And it doesn't even work all that well most of the time, due to the whole phalanx problems.
Keep this civil, please.
I am with Garcilaso de la Vega el Inca.
Be nice or the mods will show up with the camels again.
No one wants that.
Please don't get baited by "I am better than you".
That stopped working for most of you when you turned 8. :wall:
No because any greek useing player in the feild just makes a square
Only thing I learn from this thread is that some people are very very very "envolved" in their lil games.... :eyebrows:
There are a couple of RTW battles in this save game that only the 'best ever' generals will appreciate.
Link to saved game:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=1514
Any would be best ever generals care to give them a go?
:daisy:
erm, tossa, why have you done this?Quote:
Originally Posted by TosaInu
Hi goldendunner,
It's Tosa's way of encouraging positive thread development - the daisy is a classic .Org symbol for fuzzyness and friendlyness between members.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldendunner
TosaInu is trying to keep this opened.
Welll I idn't know that. Ty
Yeah first come the flowers if that fails then come the camels and that is never good. :laugh4:
Beware the camels!!!
what do the camels mean, i presume its a smilie camel
It's just that a couple of mods around here view the camel as the ultimate war weapon in RTW. Since they're mods, they can defend their opinions. :yes:
Last chappie disagreed with them about the primacy of camels found his account switched to a "My Little Pony" chat forum, with his browser locked on that site alone. :shocked2:
Heard he lasted 3 days until the bug-house attendees came for him. Kinder to've killed him if you ask me.
Camels still stink, and are horrible units!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Let's not dig up the horribly scarring past, shall we now?Quote:
Last chappie disagreed with them about the primacy of camels found his account switched to a "My Little Pony" chat forum, with his browser locked on that site alone. :shocked2:
I survived and am back and stronger than ever! Muwaahahah!!Quote:
Heard he lasted 3 days until the bug-house attendees came for him. Kinder to've killed him if you ask me.
To all the new kids, don't be deceived! Camels are horrible, stinky creatures! SPREAD THE WORD!
Oh camel lords, it was not me to utter such blasphemy.
It was him!!! Up there.
Everyone - ruuuuunnnnnn!!!!!!
Seriously though - be nice, keep civil, keep bad thoughts about camels under your hat and all will be peaches and cream here.
Agreed. There it was? In campaign AI can't place 7 stacks; in custom it can be 600 praetorians vs 5000 peasants. So, no pics - keep mouth shut.Quote:
I don't believe anything without pics.
heh I left for a couple weeks and ppl r still arguing about this sill topic.:dizzy2: :laugh4: Oh and stop asking for proof! It is like one in a million to get picture proof of that kind of battle. As silly as it sounds, I kind of believe him. I tested out the battle he did, and I almost won. So don't assume you don't believe him. Test the battle for yourself.
Hi Lord_Tamerial,
I'm sorry to disagree, but I don't quite think that it is possible to emulate such a battle. The original poster fails to specify what units the enemy had, so the battle probably couldn't be reconstructed on the custom battle screen or on the campaign map. He also fails to specify what tactics he used, so they probably couldn't be emulated either.
Nevertheless, I do believe that s_tabikha's battle could probably be won. The post-Marian Roman forces generally are rather powerful, so could mow down a typical AI Gallic army, mainly comprised of Warbands and Swordsmen, moderately easily. Fused with a few clever manoeuvres, the battle could be over rather quickly.
Biggest slaughter I did was Greek Vs Gaul.
7 Gaul stacks defended a town in a custom battle. Over 30,000 Gaul died. All my Greeks died but not until they had gained the plaza and held it for three minutes. So it was a victory but I had no men left.
I dont claim thats the greatest. The 30,000 Gaul were hand picked to posed no little threat to my phalanx.
But the scale of the battle leaves me no doubt it possible to emulate the somewhat smaller battle you are debating.
The largest battle I've ever had on my computer featured 5 armies:Quote:
Originally Posted by Severous
1 18 card enemy garrison, & 2 4 card groups of reinforcements.
1 15 card Egyptian force (my nominal allies -- I let them take point and 80% of our side's casualties while giving me the city :devilish: )
& my 20 card full stack.
Totaled out at about 5200 soldiers in battle and decreased the frame-rate a good bit. -- until the numbers thinned down. :cheesy:
What kind of computer do you use to let you ramp up the unit cards to that kind of size?
From what he writed there was 5600 men. Not so much. Overclocked celeron can handle this;
And it was in custom battle, now will test...
Damn, cant! ~:angry:Quote:
Overclocked celeron can handle this
It is really easy as hell...
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I got tired and had to go to bed without resolving this...but it shows whats possible.
Those Gaul were all spearwarbands with gold armour and weapons.
The Greeks were a 10,000 point army. Gauls somewhere under 150,000 points for their 7 armies.
vh difficulty.
All the graphics turned right down.
https://img248.imageshack.us/img248/...dbigkw3.th.jpg
The question still remains. How?
Tell the less-skilled so we can walk in your shoes (if only for a day)
Not sure if this is what he did, but with greeks (or indeed any phalanxes) you can put the archers in a square and then put the phalanges in a circle/square around them. With something like Armored Hoplites, Royal Pikemen, Pharaoh's Guard, or especially Spartans, you can hold out against almost an infinite number of enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyGuy
Hi
My main purpose of posting that big custom battle was to demonstrate that a battle with many troops, like that which kicked off this thread, is indeed possible. There should be no doubts abouts the numbers of troops involved in the initial posters claim.
What those troops were, the difficulty settings, and upgrades and generals ratings are significant factors in just how hard the battle was. House rules like pause and camera also change the skills the player needs.
My picture was as Benandorf says..phalanx slaughtering thousands. Theres some dangerous points..like breaking into the city or loosing your general. I lost one unit of archers after a handful of casualties...they where totally phased out by the numbers of enemy. Keep the phalanx flanks secure against walls/buildings and there is low risk. Just let the tide of low quality Gaul break against your spears. A few arrows now and then. Archers out of ammo stand behind your men to increase your numbers and reduce the outnumbering morale effect.
I hope someone has some hard battles even unwinable ones they can share. Upload a save and challenge us to give them a go.?
It is always posible for anyone who has uber-proc :laugh4:Quote:
My main purpose of posting that big custom battle was to demonstrate that a battle with many troops, like that which kicked off this thread, is indeed possible
All battles fighted in vanilla are extremely easy (in all cases). I'm not a MP-beast, just simple captain :nice: . And nevertheless can won easily such battle.
Well I think about it...Quote:
I hope someone has some hard battles even unwinable ones they can share. Upload a save and challenge us to give them a go.?
no charge
you had gladiators
I did not
no I did not use the simple square manuver
what I did was perfect
hammer and anvil WHILE anvil and hammering
calvary charges at perfect moments
some of my units formations were shrinked to 2 units longin order to give a wider flanking space
and some were extened
nothing about my army was conventonal
I had no front line
my video was on youtube if anyone saw it
no the gauls were all based off of a moderatly strenghthed army in the field
Id be happy to re-enact the battle in multiplayer with anyone
the rules would be
you try and do somthing
and I own you
Oh yeah
and enough with the greek armies
SOMETIMES its ok if the enemy have enogh calvary
otherwise
square tatics are a joke
bridge and siege? please
try for 4 miltia hoplites and 1 gen 1 light cal and THEN re do my battle
I'm interested. Could you post a link to your youtube video?
Play one decent sized battle in EB and then try bragging.
Who deleted my poll?
Hello mrdun,I presume that it was TosaInu who removed your poll from the public area. As the forum rules state, posts with a chance of insulting other members are not permitted, and will be dealt with accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdun
If you so wish, you may debate it's removal with Tosa in private, or in the Watchtower Backroom Forum.
It was off topic, nothing to do with rtw. Very funy for me though.