This is just too tasty:
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I felt bad for his wife.
Didn't Craig say it was all a misunderstanding? He was just tapping his foot to the snappy elevator style music piped into the "head" in the A.P. - he gave the cop his card (slipping it under the stall panel) as he always does to his constituents he meets in AP bathrooms. :inquisitive:
How was he to know that tapping his foot could be construde as being an invitation for manly man-on-man sex? I mean doesn't everyone tap their foot while taking a dump, and hand out business cards in bathrooms to unidentified males?
Obviously a simple misunderstanding. :laugh4:
Yep, it's gotta be pretty humiliating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Well, it's the vast Right-Wing conspiracy redux. This lying :daisy: actually dragged his wife into an interview back in May where he categorically and emphatically denied any truth to other, similar rumors and got her to defend him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
It's a really twisted scene where you're actually hoping its just a marriage of convenience and she knew all along. :shame:
He was just on the news just now saying, "I'm not gay and have never been gay". Well Lucy, when your trying to find lovin' in a men's bathroom, that doesn't exactly make you Hugh Hefner does it. Oh well, stick a fork in this one (which he might actually like), he's done...
What's interesting is that Craig voted consistently against expansion of homosexual rights. Staunch opponent of gay marriage, rated zero by the Human Rights Campaign, etc.
So we've got self-loathing and self-hating down to a science. And then we have the classic Washington sense of the rules don't apply to me, surely?
At one point during the interview, Craig handed the plainclothes sergeant who arrested him a business card that identified him as a U.S. Senator and said, “What do you think about that?” the report states.
I was startled by the hypocricy as well Lemur. Then I got to thinking... he's in Idaho, which is a mostly Mormon state. What a perfect cover, no? His wife is a beard, and of course, he'd never pitch or catch... just look at his voting record. And then again, it's a myth that the gay community is 100% behind homosexual marriage. Not all gay folks agree it should be enacted.
Well, in honor of Senator Craig and Devastatin' Dave, here's a little video tribute.
I'm simply overwhelmed by the hypocrisy of it all, on so many levels. The senator, the police, society at large. I don't only feel sorry for the wife, I feel sorry for all those 30 million gay Americans, many of whom who have under intense social, moral and religious pressure have marginalised their sexual desires into self-loathing and deceit. I feel sorry for all of them, and for their two dozen million spouses, and for their tens of millions of children. For all of those psychologically doomed families, destroyed in the name of morality and family values. This is the real hypocrisy.
Are there also undercover police officers in America staking out in a private sphere like a bathroom, to check for heterosexuals 'using signals used by straight persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct? Or do they just hunt homosexual men?
Then again, I would feel more sorry if this was your average gay man, pressured by a homophobic environment - a fair bit of it internalised - to lead a life of public and emotional deceit. But the sheer hypocrisy of this senator makes me sick:
At one point during the interview, Craig handed the plainclothes sergeant who arrested him a business card that identified him as a U.S. Senator and said, “What do you think about that?”
:wall: :no:
See, this is what I don't get about Gay Male America (men, lesbians are excepted, I believe).
Straight people don't have 'sex spots' like parks and public bathrooms where they just show up and anonymously boink a stranger. Yes, there's singles bars, but then, there's gay bars too. I'm not questioning the right of gay adult men to take home strangers, but do they have to do it in the public bathroom? In the park? At the zoo? Have they no dignity, no sense of self? Having sex with dozens of strangers in public places....straight or gay, it's disgusting, and trust me, I'm no prude.
@Don: That's a thing men like the senator do. As far in the closet as he is, how is he going to go to a gay bar?
Oh come on... He's not that in the closet if he's handing out his Senatorial business card and saying "What do you think of that?" Besides, what's wrong with house parties? My issue isn't the homosexual sex, it's the public nature of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I, for one, wish to denounce public sex in the strongest terms possible. Anyone decadent enough to have sex on a rooftop in Brooklyn, or in the bathroom at the Plaza Hotel, or anyplace else that's scary and exciting, is a gross pervert and a danger to society at large. I know what you're saying -- but Lemur, what if it's with a really hot Australian author of S&M novels, and she's a total perv, and you can't help yourself? Shame, I say! Shame upon you! I don't care if you were an unmarried author in New York getting freaky with a hot Ozzie writer, there is no excuse for such behavior. None! And I will deny all rumors that suggest the Lemur has engaged in hanky-panky with a sexy chick in semi-public places! It's nothing more than the scaremongering of a hyper-partisan Backroom!
Now I'm gonna go pass a law or three ...
I hear what you're saying Lemur, and I know exhibitionism is a big thing for a lot of people, gay and straight (or whatever you call it when you're not exactly ehibitionist, but the thrill of maybe getting caught). But frankly, if I had to change Jillian's diapers and I walked in on a straight couple doing the nasty on the counter, I'd be just as likely to slug the dude than if it was a man sandwich going on.
That's what I don't get. What are we bashing him for again? Is it for being (apparently) gay? Is it for being closeted? Or is it for not being "pro-gay" enough? There are gays who don't see the need for gay marriage and "hate crime" laws are more of a conservative/liberal issue than a gay/straight one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Now, to me at least, trolling for anonymous sex is a characteristic that I don't approve of in our Senators. But I seem to remember some here claiming that someone's personal life should be none of our business when it came to the promiscuity of other politicians. :shrug:
Take his gay lover home? Home is where his wife is. Or his conservative father. The dorm? His buddies will beat him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
The straight couple that you would beat up just as much as the gay couple can get married and go home, the gays can't.
As for the park, the street, the zoo? Those areas are reserved for heterosexual displays of affection:
http://celestissima.blog.20minutes.f...e_ville-gr.jpg
If he's having an illicit extramarital affair, why not get a hotel room? Surely, straying straights don't get a pass for this sort of behavior.
And I actually don't mind 'tasteful' displays of affection by gay couples. Putting their hands down each other's pants, maybe no. But then, I don't much care for straight couples engaging in such behavior publicly either. As I said, for me this isn't a gay matter. This is a matter of taste and decorum.
The first thing Im gonna do when Im of age is go to a gay bar...judge me as you will. but it will be fun
I've lately come to believe that being a prominent public figure (senator, minister, etc.), and opposing gay marriage/gay rights is a more reliable indicator of male homosexuality than wearing pink or having limp wrists.
Ajax
It is, and sometimes it completely shatters preconceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Can someone explain to me why they're talking about a senate ethics investigation for Craig? He plead guilty to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct- is a misdemeanor something that gets you removed from office now? Sure, it might be best for the party ect. if he resigned, but that's not really an issue for the ethics committee to take on is it?
To me, this seems more like a political issue that should be decided by Craig or his constituents.
The fig leaf they're using is some rule about how Senators are supposed to report any guilty convictions, or something of the sort. Seems the G.O.P. is very keen to have this thrashed out; the Dems want him to stay, for the obvious reasons. My guess is that the Repubs don't want yet another sex scandal hanging around their collective neck, so they're looking for ways to get rid of the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
That's just my $0.02 analysis ...
Erm...where's the Senatorial report on the homeless? :huh:
LOL :2thumbsup: That's what I first thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
When I was a callow youth I used to go to a couple of bars where there was a lot of gays. The music was brilliant and the company witty and funny. It was my experience then that the most vociferous opponents of homosexuals were closet ones themselves.
I know that this was in a public place, and I'd like to state here and now, that like Lemur, I've never had sex in a (semi) public place. :laugh4:
He is an hypocrite.
In any case what people choose to get upto when in private is nobodies business but theirs.
The business card under the door I understand, but what't the foot tapping thing? Is there a special rythm or something? I don't routinely tap my feet, but it adds a new threat to enjoying a rythm - someone else enjoying my colon... :thumbsdown:
~:smoking:
Ohhh the Hippocracy! Not another good upstanding Republican, one day I swear Bush and Dick will give a whole new meaning to the "Oval Office".
What an awful work detail. I can just hear the Assignments Sgt at his a.m. briefing: "Smith, give D.A.R.E. classes at the school; Jones, run the firing range; Sgt K, you umm... you go sit in the airport mens room and see if anyone asks you for sex..."Quote:
Sgt. Dave Karsnia was working as a plainclothes officer on June 11 investigating civilian complaints regarding sexual activity in the men’s public restroom in which Craig was arrested.
Airport police previously had made numerous arrests in the men’s restroom of the Northstar Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal in connection with sexual activity.
He has to be the junior Sgt with the PD there. It's like something out of Borat.
I've got to say I DON'T understand the business card under the door thing. Catching a girl's eye in a nightclub when she is there with her boyfriend, that is a clandestine business card situation. Anonymous bottom sex in a public loo surely isn't? Are people going cottaging, but ONLY if their partner of the moment is a professional? Surely its more or less a requirement of random public loo sex that you take what's on offer?Quote:
The business card under the door I understand, but what't the foot tapping thing? Is there a special rythm or something?
As for the rhythm, I guess, if you needs to know, you know. What this does show is the wisdom of conducting all visits to the gents on a strictly eyes front get the business done and get out basis. I mean, you could go in thinking you are going to have a quick number one, carelessly whistle four bars of Dixie while unzipping, and the next think you know you are spending your Sunday afternoons looking for soft furnishings in IKEA with a hairdresser called Alfonse.
I had assumed he had given the officer his card while being arrested in an attempt to get off. It says nothing about him sliding it under the door.
People here oppose sex in public places? Oh come on!!
I believe its the smell of feces. Before I get a warning or my brilliant post gets deleted, hear me out....Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Much like a shark attracted to the smell of blood, the public restroom has the irrestistable smell of feces residing within. With the studies in pharamones and how smell dictates many of our actions, homosexual men having to use the anul cavity for their sexual needs would have to be somewhat attracted to this smell. This is my theory of why so many homosexual men use a public restroom for their meeting places. That's why I'm coming out with a new aftershave for men. Its called "Dump for Men". It will have the smell of the 7th train Subway station in NY. I will also have "Dump Midwest". This product will be for the midwest discreet gay man and will have the slight hint of corn from undigested corn found within only the best quality feces we can obtain. I'm going to send a bottle to this Senator as a gift. I've always believed in making lemons out of lemonaid and I beleive we should all strive to do the same with this situation. I'm also in the planing stage for a bathroom internet cafe were you can have online sex chat with others of your persuation. I'm going to be the greatest homosexually based capitalist ever!!!!:yes:
PS I've also designed a Bumper sticker for Senator Craig and other sexually supressed Senators in the Republican party, it says, "Just because i suck ####, doesn't mean I'm gay!!!".
I'm gonna make a "butt-load" of money baby!!!!
I feel sorry for the man, and for his family.
The lies you tell to yourself are almost always the ones that will do the most damage. Which does not prevent the vast majority of us from lying to ourselves with some frequency.
Abe Lincoln's rule about the electorate will eventually catch up with him.
Other than that, I think the Lemury one is on track (which he is a goodly percentage of the time). The real goal here is to pillory the GOP as the party of hypocrisy using Craig as the exemplar. Well-managed, this could drag out for 3-4 months and be one of the things voters have in mind when they vote -- almost en masse -- in the 2/5 primaries. If the social conservatives stay home, disgusted with the GOP; or vote only for the "pure" fringe GOP candidates, then the Dems get what they want: Guliani as the nominee, but with a GOP base that is thoroughly non-plussed with him.
Just so you know, Larry Craig is not gay. It's just a bit unfortunate that he began his press conference by saying, "Thank you all very much for coming out today."
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This all puts me in mind of an infamous Onion article. Not safe for work, contains crude language, may be upsetting to pregnant women and impressionable children, do not read while driving. But very funny, and apropos.
Did you notice that the Senator emphisied the words "coming out" when he spoke? Maybe he's wanting an orgy with the press corpe now.:laugh4:
And is it just me, or does he sound kind of admiring in this old MSNBC clip?
Craig: Well, I don’t know where the Senate’s going to be on that issue of an up or down vote on impeachment, but I will tell you that the Senate certainly can bring about a censure resolution and it’s a slap on the wrist. It’s a, bad boy, Bill Clinton. You’re a naughty boy. The American people already know that Bill Clinton is a bad boy, a naughty boy.
I’m going to speak out for the citizens of my state, who in the majority think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy.
And what do we do with nasty, bad, naughty boys? We spank them, oh yes we do ...
Sounds like the Honorable Senator from Idaho wants to play the cigar trick with Slick Willey. I wonder if he's insist on wearing the blue dress?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Have to agree with you there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
It is a simple thing that the ethics committee can be seen to investigate with no fallout on anyone. Better that than try to find someone who'se really corrupt, is there? If the committee started doing that, they might be investigated themselves!!!
~:smoking:
Personally, I'm glad that they're going to spend their time investigating the "serious matter" of whether to not he's gay or not. Honestly, can you imagine a better use of the Senate's time? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Based on some of the more recent activities of the Senate, sadly, your comment is accurate even when not intended sarcastically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Seriously though, this could hurt Republicans as much as leaving him on the caucus. This is ludicrous and almost medieval, Unless the GOP wants to be the party of Bob Jones and company, they ought to just take it in stride and let Craig and the voters of Idaho decide this one, or at the very least, use hardball tactics behind the scenes. Dragging him in front of the ethics comittee and censuring him, for being gay, is going to seriously hurt their chances at gaining any middle ground.
Exactly, Don. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
That's the exact same advice I'd give (funny the senate GOP isn't asking me though). Pressure him to resign all they want behind the scenes, while sticking to the official line you've laid out. That's unlikely to happen though, since they'll be too busy falling all over themselves trying to pander to the "religious right". (a group that I believe is both overestimated and completely misunderstood by most politicians)
I predict the "is he gay?" investigation will be a political loser for Republicans if they decide to proceed with it.
I'm a little confussed though. I'm watching CNN right now at work and they are all over this story and making this guy out to be the worst person ever. I always thought that sodomy was a sacred act in the minds of most liberals, so why is the liberal media so up in arms about this. I would have figured they would have given this man a ticker tape parade for what he does in public bathrooms. And another thing, why isn't Barney Frank coming to a fellow homosexual politicians defense on his god given right to wallow in the pits of self depravaty? How much longer must the homosexual men of this world be held down?
Let me put this in terms you can relate to:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Let's say there's a Senator X who votes against gun rights every time, all the time. He's for the assault ban. He's for mandatory registration. He's against open carry. He's mister anti-gun.
And then let's say that it turns out he's a secret gun nut, with a house full of unlicensed firearms, and he shoots somebody because he's such a frickin' closeted idiot about guns that he doesn't know how to handle them safely.
Should the NRA now embrace Senator X? Should the Republican party make him its mascot?
-edit-
Also note that the dreaded LIBERAL MEDIA is just covering the story. The attempts to get the man thrown out of office are coming from his own party. Dems have every reason to want him to stay until his reelection.
2 points...Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
1st - I still don´t know were this "liberal media" thing comes from....I see American news broadcasts and I conservative stuff...not liberal...
2nd - the reason a conservative is buried when he´s outed is because a hypocrite isn´t over with any side of the fence..
Would that be like how John Edwards tells everyone should get rid of their SUV's and he owns two? Or would that be like Al Gore flying around the world in a jet that uses more gas than anyone uses in their lifetime or when he lives in a house that uses more electricity in a month than most use in 10 years. Or would that be like when William Jefferson got caught with $90,000 in his freezer and nothing was done by the democratic leadership (Nancy Pelosi after she has stated that they would have the least curropt government ever)? Or would that be like the democrats always saying they support the troops but at the same time are trying to find ways to defund them and giving the enemy propoganda that would make Joseph Geobbels get a boner? But you're right, their is no double standard, appearantly only republicans should resign and the media should only try to get republicans to resign when thier is a scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Still, I still find it hard to understand why you guys are so down on this guy when sodomy is one of the strong pillars the church of liberalism. Hmmmm, I just don't understand. I think Tom Delay said it best while talking to Matt Laur on the Today show, "There are scandals that need to be addressed. Republicans address them, Democrats re-elect them." He should know.
They're after the double morals. Anyone after him because he's gay is certainly NOT a liberal. That would go against the meaning of liberalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Well, aren't you going after these people for all these things? So in essence your doing just what the liberal media is doing to craig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
There's an ency, dency, wency little difference though. My opinions are read and heard by maybe 50 people, the media has a few million, in fact billion more people that they are reaching. Of course, that doesn't really matter to you does it.:juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Doesn't it seem a bit Rovian to turn a thread about a Republican Senator who's causing a scandal into a screed about the evils of the "church of liberalism"? I mean, it seems almost Coulterish. Look at the sock monkey! Ignore what's in front of you!
"Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote 'Stinky Britches' ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
"Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests."
OK you're right Lemur, the media would definitely act the same if this was a democrat. IN fact, it is silly of me to ever think that there is no double standard. I've been wrong all along and your always so right. Don't forget to heal the lepers while taking a stroll across the lake today.
there´s another litty bitty difference also....Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
some subjects carry more heat on them then others...
a guy that comes of as a social conservative with the old "traditional values..blablabla" bs story...and you catch him with his pants down in a men´s bathroom....he´s gonna get much more heat than the guy that advocates energy efficiency and drives a big SUV...
they are both hypocrites, but one just gets the people more pissed off than the other....that´s not liberal bias...that´s just the way people are...and the media reflects that.
And the media reflects the which people are? Appearantly the way yourself and many others on this forum are. So there is really no reason for me to even try to input my opinion on this matter since your minds are not only made up but it is also backed up by the media. Oh well.. FREE BUTTPLUGS FOR EVERYONE, ELECT DEVDAV 08!!!!:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
I'd say this thread has been successfully derailed by the conservative jokemaster. Mission accomplished!
Not until we see the dancing lock! :devilish:
No need to lock it on the account of little ol' me. That would be to , shall we say, "Rovian" of you, Mr Fair and Balanced Moderator.:beam:
Why do we even reply to DD? Honestly, I don't know why I even do it. But I'm a bit of a hot head. Lemur, I would have thought you were above it...
Oh well. Dave has managed to derail yet another thread with one of his stock, mindless, tinfoil-hat rants about liberalsodomitejournalists.
*sigh*
And we all let him do it.
:shame:
You need to trademark that one. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
Though some might argue that its a bit redundant..... :devilish:
Because I'm the best men's restroom stall slut in that resides in the Tavern. But I fail to see where I've derailed anything since this topic and my replies are about:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
1) Homosexuality
2) Hypocricy
3) Government
4) Media
So no, this thread is far from derailed and you guys should just do a better job debating your points. :2thumbsup:
According to this thread, I'd say "Republican" is enough... :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Well, first and foremost, liberal bias is a debatable point. Gripe at Dave for mixing arguments in a thread if you like, but dismissing it as fairy dust and the mantra of the 'vast right wing conspiracy' is a bit too partisan for my tastes.
Second, his point is a valid one. Yes the guy is a hypocrite. But the media is being quite hyporcitical on the issue as well. The only person I've seen address Dave's points in a valid fashion has been Ronin. Ronin's right, nothing juicier than a nice juicy gay sex scandal, especially from a guy that's gone out of his way to make life tough for gays.
Geez, Lemur, Goof... I expect better from you guys than "There is no liberal media bias, now shut up you buffoon". You can argue that there isn't, but I happen to agree with Dave on this point (I think the Big 3 networks and CNN are heavily biased to the Left) and frankly, your dismissal as tin-foil hat ranting is a bit offensive.
Wait, Craig voted to ban gays? Or was it for gay registration? Or is that not really a good comparison?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Sure, he's in serious denial of his apparent homosexual tendencies, but not voting for gay marriage or special hate crime laws doesn't make you anti-gay anymore than being opposed to racial quotas on school admissions makes you racist.
Banning gays/banning gay marriage = basically the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Are you serious? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Yes... Taking away their rights as human beings equals banning them to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
They can marry, no one bans any homosexual from getting married. So no, no one is taking away thier rights. Stop trying to derail the topic of the thread. That's my job.:whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
And?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
The Errant Leg of Senator Craig
A short verse of poetry
by Gregoshi
Playing footsies in the mens room
With the bathroom stall as my mask
When the arresting officer said "Spread 'em"
I said "I thought you'd never ask."
All things considered, me thinks this issue is getting much more attention than it deserves. Just thought I'd hold up my end of the hypocrisy discussion by giving this issue the attention I said it doesn't deserve. :laugh4:
Only in the Backroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Dave says that sodomy is a pillar of the philosophy of "liberals" (which group, I'm pretty sure he believes I and many other posters here belong to), and I reply with a comment about tinfoil hats, and I'm the one being offensive?
Gimme a break.
I'm out for a while.
Its a conspiracy Goof. At least that's my theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
Bah. Liberals are rightists. Socialism is the way ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
The US completely lacks perspective when it comes to what's right and what's left... Liberalism is centre-right to right. Republicans are extreme right. Social democracy is centre-left to left, while "generic socialism" is leftie and "revolutionary socialism" is(usually) extreme left...
The democrats are rightists, and the repubs are extreme rightists.
There, got it all sorted out :yes:
So, the "liberal media" belongs centre-right to right, they are not leftists. You may say that about the media in europe, however. The media in the US are absolutely NOT socialists/leftie, but they may or may not have a bias for the democrats, but would then be centre-right at best.
Siggied.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
An interesting view , it certainly seems to have plenty of merit .Quote:
It was my experience then that the most vociferous opponents of homosexuals were closet ones themselves.
What with the rash of very vocal gay bashers getting caught out .
Sooooooo....
With your thing about gays is there some little secret you want to tell the world about Dave ?Quote:
Still, I still find it hard to understand why you guys are so down on this guy when sodomy is one of the strong pillars the church of liberalism.
Bend over and we'll find out...:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Good article about the actual Senate Code of Conduct, and how nothing Craig did is listed. My favorite part:
From the Senate's early days, long before the current language existed, there were instances where the senators felt they knew improper conduct when they saw it. According to the Senate's ethics manual:
-In 1797, Sen. William Blount of Tennessee was expelled for inciting Creek and Cherokee Native Americans against the government. He was not charged with a crime.
-In 1811, the Senate censured Sen. Timothy Pickering of Massachusetts for reading a confidential communication on the Senate floor, although there was no written rule prohibiting the conduct.
-In 1954, the Senate censured Sen. Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin for behavior "contrary to senatorial traditions," after he refused to cooperate with committees investigating his anti-communist witch hunts.
You're quoting an avowed Marxist from Europe to help define where the American political spectrum lies? :dizzy2: All of a sudden, I'm coming to understand how John Edwards calls himself a moderate with a straight face. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Back on topic, while I personally don't think Senator Craig should be getting shoved out the door for his behavior, you compare his case and Rep. Mark Foley's treatments to say somebody like Mel Watt and you see one of the big differences between Republicans and Democrats.
4chan provides...
http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07355/senlewd.jpg
Ths discussion on political alignment has been split away to its own thread here.
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Presidential Nominee and former Miss Teen Heartland, Senator Kim McFriendly, supports long time friend Senator Craig in an exclusive CNN interview!!
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