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At one point, the swedish army supposedly experimented with elk-riding cavalry. It failed because the animals are not trainable like horses. I predict that the Swedish faction will have such a unit.
For the Americas: I am guessing ahistorically regimented Indian units. Cannon-armed canoos and field artillery is also likely to make an appearance.
Russians may get access to the Tsar-cannon, historically a huge but impractical artillery piece.
Why stop with elk cavalry, just give the Swedes Santas Scythed Sleigh-O-Death. And for those of you who don't know their American history, George Washington really did have a mech suit, CA is not making that one up. If there is pirates in the game then there have to be ninjas. Which faction ends up with them is anyones guess.
Certainly a worthwhile topic - given the affection CA has on fantasy units its about time the whining stops and instead some ideas are put forth.
Here's my suggestion:
The first "submarine" was more or less a barrel like wooden enclosure that could man a single person and was submerged slightly below the surface of the ocean. Its aim theoretically was to sabotage enemy vessels by silently approaching and damaging mechanically their hulls.
Perhaps we can get such a unit for the new exciting naval encounters. It should be cheap, expendible, fairly useless and so found in abundance in every AI fleet stack.
Noir
CA, we love you guys (or at least I do) but if you find a unit you're working on in this thread, scrap it.
Jacobite Berserkers. Crazed Scottish clansmen who fight with a great 2h-axe.
Sami Infantry. Because the Sami have historically had to fight to preserve their freedom or whatever CA said about the Sami Axemen of M2TW: Kingdoms.
South-Essex. This is the famous South Essex, which light company was later commanded by Richard Sharpe. It managed to see action at every great battle of the Peninsula war and France. It is able to fire four rounds a minute without the use of the ram-rod. It is interspersed by the famous chosen men of the 95th.
However it is often commanded by sadistic officers and a fiendish seargent. There is no way of stopping this regiments storyline to victory!
They always come up with something "funky" in the mid-east. Instead fo elephants with cannons, I think they are going to go with a natural evolution to this unit and swap things around...Cannons that fire elephants.
Yeah don't laugh...I think this might even get in with CA's previous incarnations of 'flair' units! :idea2:
Only kidding CA! I love you! How about you give me a job at your company where I can get payed for playing your games?
Mega
Sharks fully armed with underwater laser rifles on their heads. They can engage hostile fleets stealthily crippling them with merely a few shots. It could be secret advanced technology that is to be unlocked somewhere in the Western world as it was hidden by the believers who accidentally stumbled upon the invention but locked it away :laugh4:
Hehe....well what about navy elelphants to compliment the naval warfare?
They could use their trunks to breathe under water and they could use their tusks to gore ship hulls....now all we need is some kind of goggles for 'em and we are away!
Mega
Actually elephants were mentioned in the GameStar article.
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Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus
Well that makes sense since the afghans used them excellently against the british in the first anglo-afghan war.
The submarine thing. If I am not mistaken it was american from that guy with the key and the kite Benjamin Franklin! Thats it. Anyways it was made for a four person crew looked like an underwater wooden ball and actually had a drill linked to the top to put holes in the ship's bilge so the crew wouldn't detect it until it was too late. The british actually feared this so much they stopped putting in warships too close to american ports or something like that. (That is actually true by the way.)
But what I really want to see make an appearence are the incindary monkeys. You light up the wick set them at the enemy and duck as they explode
Heres some fantasy special abilities:
Scottish units get the Highland Fling ability, giving a charge bonus similar to the Warcry of earlier games.
British Discipline gives the British troops a boost of morale to keep them fighting at those important points of battle.
Thin Red Line gives a rate of fire boost to British troops 2 ranks deep.
Double Tot gives a morale boost to ships at the expense of accuracy & higher chance of getting into irons or other handling error.
Cat 'o Nine Tails gives a handling speed boost to ships but at the expense of morale.
General Winter causes a wintry blast to do severe morale damage to the enemies of Russia.
Eat Cake gives French Royalist troops a combat boost against Rebels.
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Don't forget the "Summon Kraken" ability for whoever finds the heart of Davy Jones.
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Originally Posted by Bijo
Sharks with frikkin' laser-beams on their heads? It's frikkin' genius!
How about a sniper?:laugh4: In their unit card it can say "...and can shoot a squirel off a branch from 500 yards away"
Then we can have people in MP complain about people sniping their officers and leaders which everyone knows during this era is very un-gentelmen like :smg:
Or better yet, straw infantry! Take a page right out of the movie The Patriot.
Straw infantry cant be moved once they are placed on the map and are ment to intimidate your foe into believing you have a massive army :strawman2:
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Originally Posted by Mailman653
I sure hope they do have snipers. A sniper killed Lord General Brock in the War of 1812. Nearly cost us the damn thing too....
[QUOTE=ratbarf]The submarine thing. If I am not mistaken it was american from that guy with the key and the kite Benjamin Franklin! Thats it. Anyways it was made for a four person crew looked like an underwater wooden ball and actually had a drill linked to the top to putIt was not invented by Benjamin Franklin. It was invented by a Yalee by the name of David Bushnell. Though most of your technical facts are right, it had a one man crew, never sank a ship, and had absolutely no effect on British naval actions. The Royal Navy continued to occupy whichever coastal port they chose with impunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratbarf
Sasquatch Beserkers.
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Originally Posted by ratbarf
Really? I was pretty sure it scared the hell out of someone so they didn't do that. I got it off of a TV show on 17th to mid 20th naval stuff.
Let me guess....an american TV show?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submarine)
Mystery solved.
I reckon one thing might make an appearance - balloons. Montgolfier balloons were used as observation platforms by the French and later by the Americans during battle...
Perhaps increasing line of sight? Enabling hidden units (battlefield assassins, hidden ambushing units) to be seen?
paratroopers :D
Benjimen franklin said something along these lines:
"Where is the prince who can afford so to cover his country with troops for its defence, so that ten thousand men descending from the clouds might not, in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief before a force could be brought together to repel them?"
ah you gotta love MoH Airbourne :P
I'm still surprised that over the course of many total war games and expansions, the scottish faction has yet to field that most dreaded of missile units - the caber tosser. The sight of hundreds of kilt wearing scotsmen, faces painted blue, carrying this traditional weapon is enough to crush the morale of even the stoutest of foes.
Admittedly the missile attack has a very short range, but any hit is a guaranteed kill. Also horses tend to trip over the used cabers, which is nice.
The scots often used this fearsome weapon with great success during their many conflicts with the english. At the Battle of Bannockburn, King Edward II was heard to mutter "I hate those scottish tossers".
The Americans had some primitive naval mine devices at the time of the civil war, and although not a major impact, it had at least some effect close to land etc. The submarine, IIRC, did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratbarf
I've got one- Christian blunderbusses. During an expedition into the Sahara shortly before the game commences the Moorish army included a small contingent of captured Christian marines armed with blunderbusses.
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Originally Posted by Daveybaby
In the meantime we obviously have
- Polish winged hussars - they can actually fly
- France can get Napoleon as a hero - if deployed everyone else fights like muppets
- The Dutch edam hurlers - targets die in a horrible explosion of cheese
- Etc, etc...
Of course if some of the Far Eastern countries do get some involvement the floodgates of fantasy can really open!
The show was Canadian actually but I watched it sometime ago and some of the details maybe sketchy but I do know that it did scare the crap out of someone and my description is for the most part correct. Also it may not have been the "first" submarine but it was definatley an early one.
By the way I have a head the size of an elephant. (ego)
Also to add to to the list I would like to see tigers with mini gatling guns strapped to them and with little indian boys firing them. Obviously a historical unit that fits with the crazy east theme of CA
light-mobile cannon unit, drawn by camels instead of horses.
goat mercenary cavalries - ridden by small boys.
family in-laws, now available as a free unit for characters with bad-in-laws trait. reduce income by 10%. -5 authority. count as peasants on battlefield.
random Giant Squid/Man-Eating Whale/Sea Monster spawn. in order to fill in all the empty spaces in the ocean. random attack on shippings(reduce 5% trade) and military vessels.
A subversive one could be "Arrogance".
This takes the form of a negatgive influence you can deploy against a nation that thinks itself a bit too big for its boots at any given point in history. This is a transient thing that only last for a set time against a particular opponent.
So, for example:
US colonist can deploy British Arrogance in the 1770's. After gaining laurels in the early and mid 1700's Britain firmly sat on them for a little too long = bloody nose
France can deploy Prussian Arrogance in the 1790's and 1800's. Prussia had clearly declined but thought much of its Frederickan legacy = bloody nose
The British can deploy French Arrogance in the 1800's due to French Napoleonic superiority complex and megalomanic psychopathis(sp?) = bloody nose
Later, maybe out of scope of the game, the Russians can deploy British and French Arrogance in the 1850's. British because of another case of laurel sitting, French because of their inveterate belief in their own cultural propaganda:beam: . Though that is tempered to a large degree by Russian Incompetence, so that one is a draw = bloody noses all round.
How about Dutch greediness for the Dutch faction? Some unit that has economical capabilities can be used on the field to inspire the troops to greediness, effectivity, maximum efficiency, and he can bark things at them to stimulate them such as "Fight harder! Or you will be disallowed food and beverage after the battle!" or "He who manages to wound two enemies with one shot will receive extra pay!" or "If you die, I shall sell your families' house and greedily profit from it!"
My best guess is some super-elite rifle unit with ludicrous stats from Kentucky, requiring a whisky guild.
You just know CA is going to make some goofy units for the Indians (both East and West) to play with. But how many indian factions will there be for the Americas? I think the HA of the plains would be great fun to play with... too bad that is a little too late for this game.
Maybe for the expanion pack: The American Civil War
Azi
Hi All,
Sorry to be so far off topic on my first post but.....
Does anyone remember the 'easter egg' hidden in Rome Total realism - there was a rebel unit of guys holding drumsticks!!!
It's the truth!! :clown: :clown:
Henry
Kind of engine spawning rebels/brigands in the sea? Brilliant idea - count me in for that one; we cannot allow the ocean to spare us the annoyance.. A little period flavor is needed, Moby Dick, Captain Nemo etcQuote:
Originally posted by imnothere
random Giant Squid/Man-Eating Whale/Sea Monster spawn. in order to fill in all the empty spaces in the ocean. random attack on shippings(reduce 5% trade) and military vessels.
The Crimson Permanent Assurance has to make an appearance somewhere :pirate2:
Foppery. A special ability of British and French agents, they may alter the fashions of the day to that of Foppery. After which army uniforms will be come oh so much nicer and oh so much more expensive.
Thus an enemy economy succumbs to fashion.
Hmmm, I don't think Britain would qualify for that one, they were mostly quite conservative compared to others. I think it would be more to do with how much of a megalomanic absolute ruler you have, and how usless your armies actually are. The more of those, the more extravagant your uniforms and your blathering on about honour, glory, country, etc... Like Elvis said " A little less conversation, a little more action please":laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
I won't mention who I have in mind.
Before Pitt's terrible clampdowns during the 1890's, Britain was seen as the most progressive and liberal state in Europe.
What the English in the game will need is a ministry of silly walks, and If they could get John Cleese as a consultant, I'm sure he would recommend it.
As an aside, the elephant cannon units in MTW2 always remind me of something I actually saw depicted at the Smithsonian a few years back. They had one of the older Victorian styled buildings all decked out with actual exhibits from the 1876 Philadelphia centenial Exopsition.
The hall was filled with all this technology that was brand new in 1876 and everything was in mint condition. It was all donated to the Smithonian after the original exposition and had been in storage for over 100 years.
Anyway, among the exhibits of military weapons was a full sized life like statue of a camel with a real gatling gun mounted on it back. It was as laughable as the panzerphants and I wish I had taken a picture of it.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by Forward Observer
Bear calvary, pretty much awesome if you think about it.
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Originally Posted by LegioScythia
Just incase you haven't seen it yet.
Giraffes for ships.They could use their long necks to grab enemy soldiers.Or maybe turtle raiders:turtle: :turtle: :turtle: :turtle:
dont know if you laught from egsistence of polish winged hussars or the fact they can actually fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom Onanist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Hussars
Of course with this being the enlightenment we can't miss out on the anarcho-syndicalist peasants! When click they deploy there signiture catch phrases, such as I'm being repressed, Strange woman lying in ponds is no basis for a system in government and other memorable pharses on the battle field they will hightened the morale of other peasents turning them from useless units to semi useless units.
*ingore the fact that king aruther was in the middle ages.
The only fantasy units that i can think off and that would actually make it to the game are the Sharp's Rifles with their wee green uniforms and all and some uber american partisan/malitia unit that will own all in ranged combat ( forgetting the fact that the British were much better marksman).
Yankee Pig Dog Militia??? Sweet:2thumbsup:
If Winston Churchill worked for CA:
Admiral Jenkins, Royal Navy
Generous with Grog +1 Morale, -1 Accuracy
Sodomite -1 Morale
Liberal with the Lash -1 Morale, +10% speed
another one:
Press Gang Enthusiast -1 Morale
America
Natty Bumpos - an entire unit of Daniel Day Lewis's who run (2x movement points) everywhere screaming "I WILL find you!" and can shoot a musket with 100% accuracy out to 2k yards
Enraged Bostonians - a full stack of crazed militia that spawn anytime you change taxes in New England
Virginia Aristocrats - snuff fueled light cavalry with a penchant for ham
Hessians - Headless Cavalry with heat seeking pumpkins filled with molten lava and Uranium.
I think its time for a re appearance of the Naked Barbarians and the Screeching womens, both combined in an uber unit : the French Sans-Culottes :) (meaning without panties, at least as a litteral translation. name of the french revolutionary mobs).
Stats : weak morale, vulnerability to projectiles, can charge without orders, bonus versus nobility.
Tea Ship Attackers - something like the Hounds of Culann, they go berserk when they see tea ships
Chinese portable rocket launchers - This would be damned sweet.
Yeomen Musketeers - I mean come on, we Englishmen want to keep our long range supremacy
The Flying Dutchman - If you capture this ship from the Rebels (it should have something like 200 attack), all your units get +5 experience and you get the ship
I know a fantasy unit: Mel Gibson patriot flag carrier, fights with an American flag as weapon and inspires nearby troops.
How about units powered by mysticism? Warrior monks impervious to bullets through the power of their meditation. Ninjas.
Or any other feng shui inspired units?
:inquisitive: Oh dear. No, i wasn't laughing at their existence just suggesting that they are ripe for fantasy. Just the kind of unit that sounds "cool", looks a bit "cool" that will inspire the ignorant invest them with all kinds of semi mythical abilities. As opposed to maybe seeing them as largely anachronistic and very niche in their full "winged" glory by the 18th cent.Quote:
icek - dont know if you laught from egsistence of polish winged hussars or the fact they can actually fly.
Super Ninja cats, that fire lazas from there eyes when they take out 2 regiements they can shoop da whoop, theres about 15 in each group
Hail everyone! First time poster but longtime lurker here. :2thumbsup:
As for fantasy units I'm looking forward to seeing some sort of battlefield voodoo priest recruited in the Caribbean. Special ability would be raising casualties from the dead as zombies ready to do your bidding. :skull:
Another Caribbean unit could be for the local rebels. Cannibals: they scare nearby troops and their weapon is a fork and salt shaker. Perhaps they might have the special ability to eat captives rather than execute to get a small boost in morale.
Come on CA we want to see voodoo zombies! (Or at least I do)
Wow for a first post that was rather morbid. :laugh4:
New unit :Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom Onanist
Polish Inquisitors.
Abilities :
- Can Hide anywhere (so that none may expect them)
- Summon Polish flying main battle tank winged hussar
Or endlessly questions anyone who they think might question anything Polish - ad nauseam.:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by zerathule
Now that you say it ... i concur :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom Onanist
I got one
Japanese Legendary Samurais- Only available as mercs
Once they get in to melee they are invincible. 100 percent bonus against Yanks:yes:
One for France - cheese-eating surrender monkeys. This special unit will prolong a surrender so as to give France time to change all the banners on its units to those of an invading nation.
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Tea Ship Attackers - something like the Hounds of Culann, they go berserk when they see tea ships
King George III
insists on following his directions when dealing with rebels
Nepoleon- able to lose big battles and still come back as leader of faction
Time traveling dragon mounted viking air raids for the Lair faction
The 3rd Foot & Mouth, feared through out the Kyber Pass for what lurks beneath their kilts.
:thumbsdown: Ah, yes, I remember that one. That's the one that makes all those British victories meaningless and those who won them muppets. Makes you wonder why they bothered calling a train station "Waterloo" doesn't it?:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
Zerglings
Need I say more
Which does of course mean that Britain has to have Monkey Hangers, only recruitable in north east England, render French naval units inoperative with incredulous laughter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
Why, he was a spy man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavius Clemens
grenadiers, which did exist, but they actually will use the grenades and have ridiculously long range attack and will be taken seriously in their silly hats.
Or they'll be given grenade launchers and bullet proof vest!, and silly hats.~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake
Early grenadiers DID use grenades...and some did up until the Napoleonic Wars. They looked like stereotypical cartoon bombs and tended to explode while you were holding them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake
The reason Grenadier units selected tall and strong men was 'cause they needed the extra height and strength to chuck those grenades, which were quite heavy. I think some weighed eight or nine pounds, if I remember.
I imagine fantasy units will be on the lines of things like the Tsar Cannon, which is this lovely three-foot bore diameter cannon in Russia that was never actually used.
I imagine we'll see 'native mercenaries' in America, as if the Spanish would recruit feather-wearing Aztecs into their armies in the 1700's.
Stuff like that, really.
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Originally Posted by Daveybaby
Also, and obviously : the French Imperial Guard, a musketeer unit which can't shoot unless shot at first. "Messieurs les anglais, tirez les premiers !".
Or maybe Battle Guillotines, anyone ? :)
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Wow, cool, amazing!!
We've been trawling through all those big dull history books :book: and that internet thingy :lam: :google:
But this has just saved us loooooooads of time.:idea2:
Think we'll use all of these:2thumbsup:
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oh u
Do us a favor and include these guys:
https://img231.imageshack.us/img231/...cavalrypx0.jpg
Russia just isnt complete without BEAR CAVALRY
:dizzy2: Hmmm, okay, if you say they're from the period. I didnt know they had AK47's back then.:clown:
They're definitely in! :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Armoured Air Balloons - I remember seing a hot-air balloon in Cossacks once, so I expect to see armoured bomb-dropping hot-air balloons. They will feature much like Kirovs in Red Alert 2.
Sami Riflemen - because they were such a warlike people ever since they fought with their great axes in medieval times. Perhaps also a Berserker unit to complement these?
Turtle Ships - don't know much about them, but if you include the Far East maybe these should really be included.
Flamethrowers - the natural evolvement of greek fire units, used to force infantry out of garrisoned buildings.
War Elephants - come in several forms, including cannons, riflemen, flamethrowers, and saboteur (barrels of gunpowder strapped to them). Obviously Mughal commanders will ride elephants, and will be able to call an Armoured Air Balloon strike from atop them.
Ak-47's AND PPsH 41's. See, the 47/41 was refering to FOURTEEN fourtyseven/fourtyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick
BEAR CAVALRY! Also, penguin infantry to the first person to discover the south pole.
Funny because I can't tell from playing your games... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick
But in all seriousness, as a history grad student, I would love to get a look at the reading list that is used to research these games.
And to keep the thread on topic, any large piece of artillery mounted on any animal would be more than enough to keep me amused for hours.
Exploding sheep would be cool too. Why should people who play the "Worms" games have all the fun? :clown: