TEHRAN, Iran — Millions of Iranians attended nationwide rallies Friday in support of the Palestinians, while the country's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel's continued existence was an "insult to human dignity."
"The creation, continued existence and unlimited (Western) support for this regime is an insult to human dignity," Ahmadinejad said. "The occupation of Palestine is not limited to one land. The Zionist issue is now a global issue."
Ahmadinejad's remarks came as millions of Iranians held rallies across Iran to protest Israel's continued hold on Jerusalem, the city where Muslims believe Islam's Prophet Muhammad began his journey to heaven.
The demonstrations for "Al-Quds Day" — Al-Quds is the Arabic name for Jerusalem — also spilled over into anti-American protests because of U.S. support for Israel.
In the capital Tehran, hundreds of thousands of people poured into the streets as they chanted "Death to America" and "Death to Israel." Some protesters also burned American and Israeli flags.
State television reported similar large rallies in all other provincial capitals and smaller towns across Iran.
Iran does not recognize Israel and regards Palestine as comprising the Jewish state as well as the West Bank and Gaza.
Ahmadinejad is known for his Israel-lashing comments who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." He has also called the Nazi Holocaust a "myth" used as a pretext for carving out a Jewish state in the heart of the Muslim world after the World War II.
The Iranian president once again said Palestinians should not pay any price because Europeans committed crimes against Jews in World War II. He said they could give a part of their own land in Europe or Alaska so that the Jews can establish their country.
"I ask European governments supporting Zionists and the American people that will you allow occupation of part of your land under a pretext and then talk about a two-state solution?," Ahmadinejad said after the rallies.
Ahmadinejad said a "free referendum" was the solution to the Palestinian issue, saying Jews, Muslims and Christians as well as five million Palestinian refugees should take part in a vote to determine their own fate.
Ayatollah Mahould Hashemi Shahroudi, Iran's judiciary chief, said Friday's rallies was "a good start for the destruction of the Zionist regime."
Parliamentary speaker Gholam Ali Haddad Adel said the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands was a "blatant oppression" and warned that the relationship between the Islamic world and the West won't improve as long as Palestinians are not allowed to determine their fate in a referendum.
Since the Islamic revolution in 1979, Iran has observed the last Friday of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan as "Al-Quds Day," as a way of expressing support to the Palestinians and emphasizing the importance of Jerusalem to Muslims.
Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam after the Saudi Arabian cities of Mecca and Medina.
In the Syrian capital of Damascus, more than 3,000 people carrying flags of the Palestinians, Syria and Lebanon's militant Hezbollah group marched Friday through the city's Yarmouk refugee camp to mark the day.
"Palestine is ours, from the sea to the river," read a banner referring to the Jordan river and the Mediterranean where British-mandate Palestinian's border used to be before Israel's creation in 1948. "Defending Palestine is a national and religious duty," read another.
The demonstration was organized by the Iranian embassy in Damascus and the Damascus-based radical Palestinian groups to protest Israel's capture of East Jerusalem during the 1967 Mideast war.
Maher Taher, the representative of the radical Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in Damascus, said: "Jerusalem Day is to reassert our solidarity with the Palestinian people."
TEHRAN, Iran — Millions of Iranians attended nationwide rallies Friday in support of the Palestinians, while the country's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel's continued existence was an "insult to human dignity."
"The creation, continued existence and unlimited (Western) support for this regime is an insult to human dignity," Ahmadinejad said. "The occupation of Palestine is not limited to one land. The Zionist issue is now a global issue."
Ahmadinejad's remarks came as millions of Iranians held rallies across Iran to protest Israel's continued hold on Jerusalem, the city where Muslims believe Islam's Prophet Muhammad began his journey to heaven.
The demonstrations for "Al-Quds Day" — Al-Quds is the Arabic name for Jerusalem — also spilled over into anti-American protests because of U.S. support for Israel.
In the capital Tehran, hundreds of thousands of people poured into the streets as they chanted "Death to America" and "Death to Israel." Some protesters also burned American and Israeli flags.
State television reported similar large rallies in all other provincial capitals and smaller towns across Iran.
Iran does not recognize Israel and regards Palestine as comprising the Jewish state as well as the West Bank and Gaza.
Ahmadinejad is known for his Israel-lashing comments who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." He has also called the Nazi Holocaust a "myth" used as a pretext for carving out a Jewish state in the heart of the Muslim world after the World War II.
The Iranian president once again said Palestinians should not pay any price because Europeans committed crimes against Jews in World War II. He said they could give a part of their own land in Europe or Alaska so that the Jews can establish their country.
"I ask European governments supporting Zionists and the American people that will you allow occupation of part of your land under a pretext and then talk about a two-state solution?," Ahmadinejad said after the rallies.
Ahmadinejad said a "free referendum" was the solution to the Palestinian issue, saying Jews, Muslims and Christians as well as five million Palestinian refugees should take part in a vote to determine their own fate.
Ayatollah Mahould Hashemi Shahroudi, Iran's judiciary chief, said Friday's rallies was "a good start for the destruction of the Zionist regime."
Parliamentary speaker Gholam Ali Haddad Adel said the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands was a "blatant oppression" and warned that the relationship between the Islamic world and the West won't improve as long as Palestinians are not allowed to determine their fate in a referendum.
Since the Islamic revolution in 1979, Iran has observed the last Friday of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan as "Al-Quds Day," as a way of expressing support to the Palestinians and emphasizing the importance of Jerusalem to Muslims.
Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam after the Saudi Arabian cities of Mecca and Medina.
In the Syrian capital of Damascus, more than 3,000 people carrying flags of the Palestinians, Syria and Lebanon's militant Hezbollah group marched Friday through the city's Yarmouk refugee camp to mark the day.
"Palestine is ours, from the sea to the river," read a banner referring to the Jordan river and the Mediterranean where British-mandate Palestinian's border used to be before Israel's creation in 1948. "Defending Palestine is a national and religious duty," read another.
The demonstration was organized by the Iranian embassy in Damascus and the Damascus-based radical Palestinian groups to protest Israel's capture of East Jerusalem during the 1967 Mideast war.
Maher Taher, the representative of the radical Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in Damascus, said: "Jerusalem Day is to reassert our solidarity with the Palestinian people."
Oct. 5: Indonesian Muslims march during an anti-Israel protest in Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia.
Such a wonderful culture... :yes:
Even better is the amount of support this mindset gets in the West. :help:
I always hear Muslims are so peacefull..... Mabye a Few are, but this leave me with the conclusion that they are warlike culture, period.
10-05-2007, 19:49
HoreTore
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I always hear Muslims are so peacefull..... Mabye a Few are, but this leave me with the conclusion that they are warlike culture, period.
So, you think it's fine to base your opinion of 1 billion people based on a few thousand?
And this is demonstrating... Not war.
Demonstrating is usually called a democratic thing, you know...
10-05-2007, 20:05
drone
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So that's what the fuss is about. Due to my incomprehension of Farsi/Arabic, I mistakenly assumed they were celebrating the date of my birth. Fires, chanting and kids waving guns around, what else was I supposed to think? Oh well.
10-05-2007, 20:09
Mikeus Caesar
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
Yes, of course, the holocaust was all a hoax. 6 million Jews didn't die in the holocaust.
IN THE HOLOCAUST, SIX MILLION JEWS DIED WON FABULOUS PRIZES!
10-05-2007, 20:10
rotorgun
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It's always sad to me when I see another generation of children, be they from any culture, being trained and indoctrinated to participate in the hatreds and bigotry of their parents. This is why there will never be a chance for real peace.
"......from whence comes these wars and fightings amonst you? Ye seek and desire to have, Ye lust that Ye may consume it upon your lusts, Ye ask and have not. Why? Because when thou ask Ye ask amiss." - Book of James, Holy Bible
Non-violence is the way to real peace.
10-05-2007, 20:14
Geoffrey S
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Wow, thank God nobody has been stupid enough to bomb fellow Muslim countries while supporting rather nasty repressive regimes to demonstrate that their fears of being viewed as pawns in to be subdued to Western interests are essentially correct and reinforce this siege mentality... oh dear...
10-05-2007, 20:19
Blodrast
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So that's what the fuss is about. Due to my incomprehension of Farsi/Arabic, I mistakenly assumed they were celebrating the date of my birth. Fires, chanting and kids waving guns around, what else was I supposed to think? Oh well.
Happy Birthday, drone, how does it feel to have so many people celebrating your birthday ? ~D And, man, they have guns and posters and stuff, I bet they'll fire a few salvos in your health, it's really cool! I envy you. :beam:
10-05-2007, 20:21
rotorgun
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Wow, thank God nobody has been stupid enough to bomb fellow Muslim countries while supporting rather nasty repressive regimes to demonstrate that their fears of being viewed as pawns in to be subdued to Western interests are essentially correct and reinforce this siege mentality... oh dear...
Indeed. There is plenty of blame to go around with all the parties involved. But who started this whole mess to begin with? (Abraham banishing Ishmael and Hagar out into the desert aside)
10-05-2007, 20:33
drone
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Happy Birthday, drone, how does it feel to have so many people celebrating your birthday ? ~D And, man, they have guns and posters and stuff, I bet they'll fire a few salvos in your health, it's really cool! I envy you. :beam:
I'm hoping the chick that jumps out of this cake is hawt! ~D
10-05-2007, 20:42
Geoffrey S
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Indeed. There is plenty of blame to go around with all the parties involved. But who started this whole mess to begin with? (Abraham banishing Ishmael and Hagar out into the desert aside)
No-one and everyone did. That's the problem.
10-05-2007, 20:51
rotorgun
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No-one and everyone did. That's the problem.
The only way that everyone can begin to solve it is for everyone to put down their guns, bombs, rockets, knives, etc., etc., and talk to one another instead. How is little Achmed in the front row ever going to learn that from the adults teaching him that hate is the way? (vis a vis all the other countries as well)
10-05-2007, 20:55
Tribesman
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Don't ya just love it , a yearly protest about an illegal occupation that is violation of laws that Isreal agreed to and that most of the world repeatedly condemns is now apperantly a hatred of Jews thing , nice going Panzer , did you check dinnerjackets comments about that murderous regime from Germany that you are so fond of ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I like the article .
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Ahmadinejad is known for his Israel-lashing comments who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." He has also called the Nazi Holocaust a "myth" used as a pretext for carving out a Jewish state in the heart of the Muslim world after the World War II.
.....nice stuff , I really like the little "" things :yes: they are normaly used to mean something is an actual quote . I wonder what the actual quotes were that Fox has implied were "quotes":laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
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Demonstrating is usually called a democratic thing, you know...
Don't be silly , or the next thing you are going to say is that calling for a referendum would be somehow democratic :2thumbsup:
10-05-2007, 20:58
Blodrast
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I'm hoping the chick that jumps out of this cake is hawt! ~D
You won't be able to tell because of the burqa, though, mate. Just enjoy the fireworks, 'kay ?
10-05-2007, 21:16
Geoffrey S
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Originally Posted by rotorgun
The only way that everyone can begin to solve it is for everyone to put down their guns, bombs, rockets, knives, etc., etc., and talk to one another instead. How is little Achmed in the front row ever going to learn that from the adults teaching him that hate is the way? (vis a vis all the other countries as well)
In the end, yes, that's the ideal. But as long as all possible sides keep looking for justification (and in their mind, finding it) in history for actions in the present that's a ways off. They're not working on the basis of the world now, but on the basis of what they think the world should have been.
10-05-2007, 21:22
Evil_Maniac From Mars
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So, you think it's fine to base your opinion of 1 billion people based on a few thousand?
And this is demonstrating... Not war.
Demonstrating is usually called a democratic thing, you know...
It's also from Fox News. If somebody gives me a link that doesn't tend to embellish or slant the news as badly, I'll believe more of it.
10-05-2007, 21:24
The Wizard
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And this is demonstrating... Not war.
Demonstrating is usually called a democratic thing, you know...
Notice there are children walking around with live guns.
I mean seriously, regardless of the message sent here (which I oppose), using your own children as your political pawn in power games of which demonstrations are inevitably a part of is disgusting. Simply and downright disgusting.
10-05-2007, 21:27
Kralizec
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Congrats, Drone :cheers:
My birthday was about a week ago, at the same time that the Burmese military began beating down the protests. Must be bad karma :no:
10-05-2007, 21:30
The Wizard
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
I was born two hundred years to the day after Louis XVI called the Estates General and started France on the path towards Revolution.
Beat that ~;p
10-05-2007, 22:03
Geoffrey S
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It's also from Fox News. If somebody gives me a link that doesn't tend to embellish or slant the news as badly, I'll believe more of it.
Still, I struggle to see how a relatively small group of extremists can be considered representative of Muslims in general, any more so than some more rabid anti-war demonstrators can be considered representative of the views of most of the population in the West.
10-05-2007, 22:16
The Wizard
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The fact that they're talking about destroying a sovereign country (and, by extension, its people, though I doubt many make the distinction) during a time when no Muslim should indulge himself in violence is telling for the kind of people taking part, I'd say.
10-05-2007, 22:16
Boyar Son
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yeah well....here comes another generation of holy extremists....:tnt:
10-05-2007, 22:17
Tribesman
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Still, I struggle to see how a relatively small group of extremists can be considered representative of Muslims in general
If you really struggle you can manage to look from Panzers or Warmans perspective .
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Mabye a Few are, but this leave me with the conclusion that they are warlike culture, period.
OK it might be a hell of a struggle to get to that perspective , but give it a go anyway Geoffrey:2thumbsup:
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The fact that they're talking about destroying a sovereign country (and, by extension, its people, though I doubt many make the distinction)
If the Scots wanted the United Kingdom consigned to the waste bin of history would that mean by extension they want to kill all its people ?
10-05-2007, 22:23
Don Corleone
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
~:rolleyes: I love this. In one thread, people are talking about how responsible, taxpaying citizens shouldn't be allowed to own guns in their own homes to defend themselves. In other, we're heaping praise on parents arming their children with rifles and handguns and having them march around the streets, calling for the death of millions of people as 'noble political protest'. Anybody care for another nice helping of hypocricy, hmm?
10-05-2007, 22:36
Tribesman
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In other, we're heaping praise on parents arming their children with rifles and handguns and having them march around the streets, calling for the death of millions of people as 'noble political protest'.
Really Don .....Where ?
You really are slacking lately:thumbsdown:
10-05-2007, 22:37
Spetulhu
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
Next time you open CNN (or whatever your favorite news channel is) try writing "good guys" and "bad guys" on a paper. Then put a mark under the relevant heading when you see a muslim. How much are you willing to bet that you'll see very few of them that appear rational? Problem is, demonstrations and violence are news. Peaceful living isn't.
The state-controlled media in the muslim countries certainly don't show them any Jews or Americans being nice to people either. :help:
10-05-2007, 22:48
Don Corleone
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
Hmm, where did I get that idea.... :stupido2:
Maybe it was this...
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Originally Posted by HoreTore
Demonstrating is usually called a democratic thing, you know...
Or this....
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Don't be silly , or the next thing you are going to say is that calling for a referendum would be somehow democratic
As for your opinion of my views, Tribesman? Can't be bothered to care. Have a donut. ~:cheers:
10-05-2007, 23:07
PanzerJaeger
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Don't ya just love it , a yearly protest about an illegal occupation that is violation of laws that Isreal agreed to and that most of the world repeatedly condemns is now apperantly a hatred of Jews thing , nice going Panzer , did you check dinnerjackets comments about that murderous regime from Germany that you are so fond of ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
:laugh4:
Nope, no Jew hating going on here... how much farther can you put your head in the sand?
It truly is pathetic that you are so entrenched in your Israel=Evil attitudes that you cannot see how far from a simple protest this is.
Indoctrinating children into a belief system that relies on hatred and the destruction of another people is certainly not something I would think you support...
Anyone with any sense, left - right - or center, can see that this is not a good thing.
Defaulting to your preconceived good/bad notions without actually thinking is the definition of mental slacking... no? :shame:
10-05-2007, 23:12
Strike For The South
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
A populist bringing out his biggest issue! Im supposed to be surprised?
10-05-2007, 23:20
Goofball
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So, you think it's fine to base your opinion of 1 billion people based on a few thousand?
Actually, a few thousand is a statistically significant sample.
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And this is demonstrating... Not war.
Demonstrating is usually called a democratic thing, you know...
Having said that, demonstrations in democratic countries don't as a rule involve children carrying guns and chanting hate slogans.
I'm just sayin'...
10-05-2007, 23:24
Samurai Waki
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Can't say I'm vastly impressed. This sort of stuff happens all the time, Flag burning, People shouting ALALALALAAAAH! while shooting their AKs in the air. I'm supposed to be terrified or impressed? Nah. Same boring stuff. And I know Immadinnerjacket realizes that Israel will never be wiped off the map, without of course Iran being wiped off the map, he just says it, so that the Drones under his regime stop whining about how aweful their lives are under the Theocracy. And I also know for a fact, that while those Children carrying around guns is Scary, somehow I'm vastly more scared of an adult driving around a tank or flying an F-16.
10-05-2007, 23:27
Boyar Son
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well you know some of these fools would shoot us if they see us. Or at least complain alot.
10-05-2007, 23:28
Samurai Waki
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
Well, I have the feeling some of us would shoot them if they saw them... its not like it doesn't happen.
10-05-2007, 23:32
Boyar Son
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ahmadinejad came.... so, no it doesnt.~D :feedback:
10-05-2007, 23:39
Samurai Waki
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
How many reports are there of Iranians killing American Civilians lately? Unless you know something nobody else knows about?
10-05-2007, 23:41
Boyar Son
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How many reports are there of Iranians killing American Civilians lately? Unless you know something nobody else knows about?
Actually I do know of hostage taking of Americans in the 70's by the Iranians...
10-05-2007, 23:51
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
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Originally Posted by HoreTore
So, you think it's fine to base your opinion of 1 billion people based on a few thousand?
And this is demonstrating... Not war.
Demonstrating is usually called a democratic thing, you know...
:inquisitive: :inquisitive:
Demostrating with Guns? Yup Hore, that's a REAL democractic thing to do. Go out in streets shooting GUns in the Air with down with USA/Isreial signs, yup....
10-06-2007, 00:00
Samurai Waki
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Actually I do know of hostage taking of Americans in the 70's by the Iranians...
This was 30 years ago. And many of them escaped with their lives (some didn't) but that was at the height of them deposing of the Shah, whom the Iranian's with some respect to their views, saw as an autocratic puppet of the USA. Obviously theres going to be some anger there. But I haven't heard of any Iranians killing Americans recently, I suppose there has been hostage taking on both sides, with the US holding "suspected" Iranian Arms dealers in Iraq, and Iranians boarding and taking hostage the crew of a British Vessel operating off the Coast of Hormuz in Iranian Water. As far as I know, those British Navy Men returned home safe, without a bruise. The USA won't budge on releasing these supposed "Arms Dealers" and we're not sure in what Physical or mental state they are now.
10-06-2007, 00:52
Tribesman
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Hmm, where did I get that idea....
Maybe it was this...
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Originally Posted by HoreTore
Demonstrating is usually called a democratic thing, you know...
Or this....
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Don't be silly , or the next thing you are going to say is that calling for a referendum would be somehow democratic
Ah yes that is definately heaping praise on parents and kids with guns calling for the death of millions ...well done Don , it was so well hidden that it almost escaped my notice .
My my your imagination must be infectious ...I can see it too now:dizzy2:
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Actually I do know of hostage taking of Americans in the 70's by the Iranians...
Would thatbe the one where some people in America that was funding some rather nasty death squads illegally took some money and transferred it to the revolutionary nutters in the form of arms and when it was stopped got the Israelis to ship the weapons instead ...or is it a different one form that era that you are thinking of ?
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Indoctrinating children into a belief system that relies on hatred and the destruction of another people is certainly not something I would think you support...
What ? You mean like the extremist Zionists or that old European regime you are rather fond of ?
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Defaulting to your preconceived good/bad notions without actually thinking is the definition of mental slacking... no?
Are you talking of yourself there Panzer ?
10-06-2007, 00:55
Boyar Son
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What a colorful point of view tribes, especially since these people from the embassy are either diplomats, or assistants to them~D
:feedback:
10-06-2007, 00:57
Boyar Son
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This was 30 years ago. And many of them escaped with their lives (some didn't)
somedidnt?!?!?!
man, talk about rough...
10-06-2007, 01:10
Tribesman
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some didnt?!?!?!
Which hostages didn't ???????
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man, talk about rough...
talk about clueless :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
10-06-2007, 01:13
Boyar Son
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Which hostages didn't ???????
talk about clueless :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
haha funny yeah...
I dont know which hostages didnt, responded from waki's post.
Clueless? not anymore
sigh :drama2:
10-06-2007, 01:48
Samurai Waki
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somedidnt?!?!?!
man, talk about rough...
Well technically none of the hostages died through the Iranian Crisis. The only deaths reported in the whole incident was eight US servicemen who died during the ill fated (and planned) Operation Eagle Talon. This actually squandered the Crisis and allowed it to continue on for even more time. Adding to the Ayatollah's Reputation with the Iranian Masses.
10-06-2007, 04:16
Husar
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Gah!
We had that before, didn't we? :inquisitive:
10-06-2007, 05:49
Geoffrey S
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The fact that they're talking about destroying a sovereign country (and, by extension, its people, though I doubt many make the distinction) during a time when no Muslim should indulge himself in violence is telling for the kind of people taking part, I'd say.
Exactly. As said, extremists perverting Islam who shouldn't really reflect on the majority of muslims. Hopefully one day the majority of Muslims will see these extremists for the damaging element they are and actually do something useful about their problem. Because I want to make that clear, it's the muslim's problem to solve if they want to have any hope of progress. They need to distance themselves from the extremists, and until that happens it's hard to take claims of wanting freedom or whatever seriously.
10-06-2007, 06:12
Devastatin Dave
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extremists perverting Islam
Islam doesn't need extremists to pervert it. Anytime a religion that's founder banged a 9 year old doesn't need extremists to pervert it. Sure, many muslims are "peaceful" but they are not following the true teachings of the "Prophet". Why is it so hard for the Western mind to understand that true Islam is not just violent but its core and purpose is to "submit". The "peaceful" muslims would be beheaded by Muhammed or one of his assasins if they were still running around the desert robbing caravans. This is historical FACT. Do you people not understand why the believers must postrate 5 times a day towrds Mecca? Do you not understand why the believers must make atleast 1 Haji in their life? Do you not understand why the prophet had poets and musicians killed? How can these facts be ignored?:no:
10-06-2007, 06:31
Lord Winter
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Look at the bible for that matter Dave, lots of people being burned, stuck down, killed ect.. for disobeying gods word. Thats not even counting all the slaves be obbedinet to your masters and saccerfice your life in my name. You do also now that Alah = the Christen god to right? There book at least provides protection to us people of the book unlike other crusaders of certain religons.
I'm not trying to attack christinity or paint Islam a shiining becon to the world but actually take it in contxt of everything else. Things in the real world arn't black and white you know.
10-06-2007, 06:38
Devastatin Dave
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Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
Look at the bible for that matter Dave, lots of people being burned, stuck down, killed ect.. for disobeying gods word. Thats not even counting all the slaves be obbedinet to your masters and saccerfice your life in my name. You do also now that Alah = the Christen god to right? There book at least provides protection to us people of the book unlike other crusaders of certain religons.
I'm not trying to attack christinity or paint Islam a shiining becon to the world but actually take it in contxt of everything else. Things in the real world arn't black and white you know.
But we're not talking about the Christian cult in this thread. I'm concerned about the current violent cult that is doing the majority of the devastation right now. The crusades sucked, but its a little bit old news. The islamic issue is NOW. EDIT
10-06-2007, 09:56
Geoffrey S
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
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Islam doesn't need extremists to pervert it. Anytime a religion that's founder banged a 9 year old doesn't need extremists to pervert it. Sure, many muslims are "peaceful" but they are not following the true teachings of the "Prophet". Why is it so hard for the Western mind to understand that true Islam is not just violent but its core and purpose is to "submit". The "peaceful" muslims would be beheaded by Muhammed or one of his assasins if they were still running around the desert robbing caravans. This is historical FACT. Do you people not understand why the believers must postrate 5 times a day towrds Mecca? Do you not understand why the believers must make atleast 1 Haji in their life? Do you not understand why the prophet had poets and musicians killed? How can these facts be ignored?:no:
I'm not so keen on Islam myself. It needs its own Reformation to drag it from the thoughts of the Middle Ages to the present; thankfully, that seems to at least be in process, partially fueled by scholarly work from the West into the historical origins of the Islam, which is forcing at least some more progressive Muslim intellectuals (and some clerics) to take a long hard look at exactly what their religion means and what its historical origins are. Right now the Islam is dominated by clerics who take the Qu'ran and hadith literally, and extremists who lap it up: that's just as damaging as it would be to Christianity if one were to take the Bible literally in all things (and in fact, was), and just as impossible to do without extremely selective reading.
Christianity changed from being the religion of slaves to the religion of rulers, and from then on to its more current form. Islam has a different route, and it is changing from being the religion of conquerors; I'd prefer it to change in what it perceives to be a free world not exploiting the Middle East, rather than in a world it perceives to be oppressive both in the form of West as in that of its own rulers, a world to fight against.
10-06-2007, 10:13
Fragony
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
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Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
Look at the bible for that matter Dave, lots of people being burned, stuck down, killed ect.. for disobeying gods word. Thats not even counting all the slaves be obbedinet to your masters and saccerfice your life in my name. You do also now that Alah = the Christen god to right? There book at least provides protection to us people of the book unlike other crusaders of certain religons.
I'm not trying to attack christinity or paint Islam a shiining becon to the world but actually take it in contxt of everything else. Things in the real world arn't black and white you know.
Violence in the bible is such a non-argument, bible is written in passed tense and the quran in imperative mood. Big difference.
10-06-2007, 11:55
Tribesman
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How can these facts be ignored?
Because they are bollox Dave .:idea2:
10-06-2007, 11:59
Beirut
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If I may ask a politically incorrect question that bears directly upon the title of this thread - in the last two or three years, how many Muslim civilians have been killed by Israelis and Americans as opposed to American and Israeli civilians killed by Muslims?
The question has some pertinence.
10-06-2007, 12:05
Fragony
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
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Because they are bollox Dave .:idea2:
5 times praying (if you can), check
1 time hadji (if you can), check
robbing caravans, check
poets killed, check
musicians killed, check
Not that it means anything, but these last 3 are facts assuming that mohammed is a historical character and the first two are part of the muslim religion. Pavlov reaction?
10-06-2007, 12:08
Fragony
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If I may ask a politically incorrect question that bears directly upon the title of this thread - in the last two or three years, how many Muslim civilians have been killed by Israelis and Americans as opposed to American and Israeli civilians killed by Muslims?
The question has some pertinence.
Why not make that tried to kill, it's raining rockets on daily bases. They just aren't very good at it. About actual killings, let's start with Darfur.
10-06-2007, 12:20
Beirut
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
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Why not make that tried to kill, it's raining rockets on daily bases. They just aren't very good at it. About actual killings, let's start with Darfur.
I am, of course, delighted to entertain any topic you wish to discuss.
But I'm still curious if anyone knows the answer to my question.
10-06-2007, 12:29
Tribesman
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Not that it means anything, but these last 3 are facts
Are they facts as Dave presented them ?
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let's start with Darfur.
Is that the place where the breakaway "christian" faction that didn't like the peace deal that ended their little long running civil war in the south moved to to start a new civil war ? or is that a different Darfur ?::inquisitive: Would you like to choose a different conflict to try and make your point:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
10-06-2007, 12:31
Fragony
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I am, of course, delighted to entertain any topic you wish to discuss.
But I'm still curious if anyone knows the answer to my question.
Since the war is officially over US soldiers are civilians abroad ~;)
Back at ya, how many would they have killed if they could? They never miss a chance to fire a rocket and, well miss. Just because they can't doesn't mean they wouldn't, and these signs they are holding and the things they are chanting do come of as somewhat hostile.
10-06-2007, 12:37
Beirut
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Since the war is officially over US soldiers are civilians abroad ~;)
Back at ya, how many would they have killed if they could? They never miss a chance to fire a rocket and, well miss. Just because they can't doesn't mean they wouldn't, and these signs they are holding and the things they are chanting do come of as somewhat hostile.
If you either don't know the answer, which is fine, or are refusing to answer if you do, which is fine also, it would help the discussion if you said so.
10-06-2007, 12:41
Fragony
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Are they facts as Dave presented them ?
Well yes, what he wants to say with it I'll leave to him.
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Is that the place where the breakaway "christian" faction that didn't like the peace deal that ended their little long running civil war in the south moved to to start a new civil war ? or is that a different Darfur ?::inquisitive: Would you like to choose a different conflict to try and make your point:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
You mean the Dinka? You mentioned that before that is new to me, forget what I was wrong. The way I heard it was a campaign in the west and later the south that was run by the islamist government in Khartoum with the help of (arab?) beards. Also read a rapport that the rebels aren't peaches that are all to willing to do the same thing (you meant that?), but who is in africa
10-06-2007, 12:45
Fragony
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If you either don't know the answer, which is fine, or are refusing to answer if you do, which is fine also, it would help the discussion if you said so.
Well it would greatly help the discussion in a Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans kinda way if you mentioned how many pakistani and indonesians civilians were killed by americans and jews in the last years. Or does all that so many types of islam don't count anymore and is it one thing after all?
10-06-2007, 12:48
Fragony
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Are they facts as Dave presented them ?
Well yes, what he wants to say with it I'll leave to him.
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Is that the place where the breakaway "christian" faction that didn't like the peace deal that ended their little long running civil war in the south moved to to start a new civil war ? or is that a different Darfur ?::inquisitive: Would you like to choose a different conflict to try and make your point:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
You mean the Dinka? You mentioned that before that is new to me, forget what I was wrong. The way I heard it was a campaign in the west and later the south that was run by the islamist government in Khartoum with the help of (arab?) beards. Also read a rapport that the rebels aren't peaches that are all to willing to do the same thing (you meant that?), but who is in africa
10-06-2007, 12:53
Beirut
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Well it would greatly help the discussion in a Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans kinda way if you mentioned how many pakistani and indonesians civilians were killed by americans and jews in the last years.
So I have to partially answer my own question before I can ask the question in question? And if so, which part of the question in question should I answer prior to asking the question itself?
10-06-2007, 12:59
Fragony
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So I have to partially answer my own question before I can ask the question in question? And if so, which part of the question in question should I answer prior to asking the question itself?
Yeah something like that. You want to put things in perspective, there it is. They are rioting in Indonesia and Pakistan. How many of these pakistani's and indonesians got killed that they are so angry? Just riding your chain of thought.
10-06-2007, 13:04
Beirut
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Yeah something like that.
Yeah, kind of looked that way. But it was an enjoyable dance while is lasted, nes ce pas?
So, If I may repeat myself for the benefit of someone else who might know:
"In the last two or three years, how many Muslim civilians have been killed by Israelis and Americans as opposed to American and Israeli civilians killed by Muslims?"
Thanks.
10-06-2007, 13:18
Fragony
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Yeah, kind of looked that way. But it was an enjoyable dance while is lasted, nes ce pas?
So, If I may repeat myself for the benefit of someone else who might know:
"In the last two or three years, how many Muslim civilians have been killed by Israelis and Americans as opposed to American and Israeli civilians killed by Muslims?"
Thanks.
Just tried to show you that that question isn't relevant. Unless of course we are talking about islam as a single body after all and there is no such thing such as a pakistani muslim, or an indonesian muslim, just muslims. So, how many non-muslims got killed by muslims the last year. That would give ligitimacy to any action no?
10-06-2007, 13:29
Beirut
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Just tried to show you that that question isn't relevant.
It is to me. And since I'm the one asking it...
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So, how many non-muslims got killed by muslims the last year. That would give ligitimacy to any action no?
You are, of course, allowed to ask any question you want. I, because of my good nature, would do you the courtesy of either answering it, saying I don't know what the answer is, or simply not responding with any post at all. Or, if I had an objection with the phrasing of the question I would mention it once. Perhaps even twice. But to go on and on and on...
No, I would not do that.
The question, sir, stands.
10-06-2007, 13:39
Fragony
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So confusing, so how many muslim civilians got killed by americans and israeli's making the pakistani and indonesian citizens so angry, or are it the pakistani and indonesian muslims that are angry because of the iraqi and palestinians civilians that got killed. So what reason do the pakistani's and indonesians hav to hate americans and jews, what did they ever do to them. You seem to think they have good reason to be angry, why?
10-06-2007, 13:42
Tribesman
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Well yes, what he wants to say with it I'll leave to him.
Are they really ?
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You mean the Dinka? You mentioned that before that is new to me, forget what I was wrong. The way I heard it was a campaign in the west and later the south that was run by the islamist government in Khartoum with the help of (arab?) beards. Also read a rapport that the rebels aren't peaches that are all to willing to do the same thing (you meant that?)
OK you got that backwards as well , isn't it funny that you mention a topic as an example to use but then go on to show that you don't know anything about it .:oops:
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but who is in africa
errrrr.....africans mainly :idea2:
10-06-2007, 13:52
Fragony
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OK you got that backwards as well , isn't it funny that you mention a topic as an example to use but then go on to show that you don't know anything about it .:oops:
Somewhat unfortunate ~;) Got a link by any chance?
10-06-2007, 14:46
Innocentius
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I love Islamic Rage Boy!!!! Check out the nose on your face website. Cracks me up everytime...
10-06-2007, 15:39
Tribesman
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Nice one innocentious :2thumbsup: .
How many posts in this topic (or any of the multitude of its teh Muslims topics) are textbook definitions of that bigotry?
10-06-2007, 15:55
Fragony
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Don't you ever get tired of pointing out to the rest of us just how evil those naughty Muslims are?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia
If that was directed at me, I hoped I did a better job of explaining my position (not that I take one here), but it's an excercise in futility sadly. I don't believe in a physical islamic threat, the only fundamentalists that are really a threat to our country's are multicultists, the most religious of them all. If muslims ever pose a serious physcial threat it's because multicultists couldn't provide a clear sense of direction raising expectations they can't meet. Some people can only think in terms of bigotry and hate, confuses me to no end.
10-06-2007, 16:13
Beirut
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So what reason do the pakistani's and indonesians hav to hate americans and jews, what did they ever do to them. You seem to think they have good reason to be angry, why?
I don't know that they have a good reason to hate Americans and Israelis. That is why I asked the question I did. And the answer to my question will not be an answer to the overall question itself that this thread occupies itself with, but just one part of the equation to, perhaps, finding an answer to the overall question.
Now, may I safely assume that you will continue to refuse both to answer the question or to say that you do not know the answer to the question and instead refute the question itself on the grounds that you do not like the question? And, if you continue to question the question in question, may I ask how long you will continue to do so, so that we may, perchance, find an end to the questioning of the question and, perchance, find an answer to it?
10-06-2007, 18:47
Innocentius
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Fragony: No, that wasn't directed to anyone in particular except perhaps for the creator of this thread. There are already a bunch of islamophobic threads in here, why don't we just sticky a thread where upset westerners can post whenever they feel threatened by a few hundred (or less) nutjobs in some desolate middle eastern town?
10-06-2007, 18:58
HoreTore
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So what reason do the pakistani's and indonesians hav to hate americans and jews, what did they ever do to them.
Pakistani's have no reason to hate the US? What?
Pakistan has a military dictator. Said dictator is a close ally of the US, and the US benefits from having him in charge.
I'd say that's more than enough reason.
10-06-2007, 19:22
Evil_Maniac From Mars
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Thank you. When I see something from Fox I try to find a place somewhere else to back it up. I didn't in the past, but after watching Fox News on television on a trip to Costa Rica...:wall:
10-06-2007, 19:26
Boyar Son
Re: Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans
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If I may ask a politically incorrect question that bears directly upon the title of this thread - in the last two or three years, how many Muslim civilians have been killed by Israelis and Americans as opposed to American and Israeli civilians killed by Muslims?
The question has some pertinence.
Lets add all US embassy bombings + 9-11 + world trade center bombing in 90's + israeli deaths because of terrorists and palistinian/hamas/ hezbollah =???
now add: all civ casualties during iraq war 1 and 2 + israeli accidental (or not) attacks that harmed civs= ???
# should be great on both sides. note that MOST civ casualties were caused by iraqi foolish/evil freedom fighters.
I think more US and israeli deaths or more than mulsim, especially since they kill more of their own than us every time they attack.
:feedback:
10-06-2007, 22:17
Meneldil
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Yeah something like that. You want to put things in perspective, there it is. They are rioting in Indonesia and Pakistan. How many of these pakistani's and indonesians got killed that they are so angry? Just riding your chain of thought.
How many people from your family got killed by muslim fundamentalists ? Probably something like what, 0, none, nada ?
Then why are you so angry ?
Quite frankly, they are morons. Giving guns to children and manifesting in such a outrageous way is silly as hell, yeah, but why would I care ? It's not as if they are actually threatening my way of life.
