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Our media is too busy ignoring the burning cars in Amsterdam to ignore this as well, that is normal of course when it concerns those we don't speak of, any more info?
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Our media is too busy ignoring the burning cars in Amsterdam to ignore this as well, that is normal of course when it concerns those we don't speak of, any more info?
What happened ? well there was this bunch of extremists wanting to have a protest about another bunch of extremists and they had a fight ...shock horror....:drama2:
Yes you can get more info at the jihad watch site , though of course some people cannot access that site as several countries and numerous service providers have added it to their list of racist hate sites (apparently something to do with it publishing inflammatory racist ****:shrug: )Quote:
any more info?
Hmmm ....I wonder , if that Stephen Gash went to Wales to have a rally to support his calls about making Monmothshire English not Welsh , would he be attacked by the extremist welsh nationalists ?
If such an event occured would it be worthy of a post by yourself Frag ? or would it have to be Muslims involved to get you to rattle your cage .
SIOE are no extremists, do not forget that they backed of when Vlaams Belang 'hijacked' the Brusseles demonstration, sounds like a clear message. Don't think it were muslims, sounds like antifacists, that would explain why there is absolute media-silence. Yes, drama, they didn't succeed that is why this is no Fortuyn or van Gogh.
Hey that Jihad Watch site is actually pretty good, the german one had women from the UAE with long burkhas and veils in their faces etc. :dizzy2: :laugh4:
Concerning this incident, I don't know, I'm not a big friend of activists of any kind and the site you linked to might have an agenda. ~;)
Soon we'll have martyrs on both sides, wait, we do already. I'm tired...
Funny, our minister of integration likes to wear marrocan robes on official meatings. Of course they have an agenda Husar, the organisation isn't called 'stop the islamisation of europe' for kicks and giggles ~;)
Good cause I say.
I really couldn't care any less whether these people live or die.
The typical response from those people...:shame:
They didn't back off , that particular protest was banned , it was appealed but the ban was upheld .Quote:
SIOE are no extremists, do not forget that they backed of when Vlaams Belang 'hijacked' the Brusseles demonstration, sounds like a clear message.
The following demonstration they got together in Brussels managed to get 200 people at it rather that the 20,000 they expected , many of those were arrested ...it is comments following those arrests which may link to your story ....condidering the death threats made over Anders comments about the arrests it is most likely the fascists who attacked him .Quote:
Don't think it were muslims, sounds like antifacists,
You see SIOE have a slight problem , they give the same message as the extremist nutters , but of course since their earlier problems in linking with extremist nutters they no longer want to be associated with the nutters and the nutters have predictibly gone a bit nuts about it .
Its quite funny to see the efforts they are putting into their demonstrations now to give a nationalist perspective yet trying to avoid the nationalists with the same perpective .
Perhaps the lesson in all this is that if you think people with the same aims as you are nuts then maybe your aims are nuts too .:idea2:
well since integrating wont work.... and they cant take jokes or dissent against their religion lightly....
how about you oppress them and hold them down? in a saddam way, not in a bush way.
the saddam way is the way to go.
How 'bout we simply treat them as humans?
has it worked yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
because in this situation you could always try to "saddam" it
As far as I can see, it hasn't been done yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyar Son
well with european-musim relations...im not well informed on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
are you sure? i thought these guys were just angry all the time.
That goes both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyar Son
not to mention all i hear is bad news on how the muslims attackQuote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Then you might want to adjust either your hearing or your news source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyar Son
but how can i "adjust" hearing? hearing can only decrease methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
also this place is my euro news source
Haven't had succes, been tried to the level of insanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
You can adjust your hearing to hear what Anders has to say and what his intentions are .Quote:
but how can i "adjust" hearing? hearing can only decrease methinks.
He has a strange idea that he describes as a win/win situation , if he can cause a violent reaction by his actions then he shows that people are a problem and the government are not doing enough about it , if he gets his actions banned because of the reaction that may happen then he is being curtailed in his freedom of speech and the government are the problem .
A rather strange character don't ya think , one could even call him a nut .
you know that makes sense, but to the point of conspiracy...evil like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
No, we've never treated them like humans. We've always treated them like foreigners. A problem, not a resource.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Gawd, that chills me to the bone...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyar Son
Almost every thread here, no matter the subject, is either about something negative or a rant about something one person dislikes... You might want to try something else.
yeah everytime i come here i think "wow euro is so screwed"..Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
especially in euro-muslim relations
To be fair, so do our European patrons get the same impression of the USA if the Backroom is their primary news source about the New World's happenings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyar Son
"Clinton. Bush. Gun Control. Abortion. Religious Nuts. Rightist Nuts. Election. Leftist Nuts. Democrats. Republicans. Clinton Again. Giuliani. Bush again. Al Gore. Iraq. Iraq. Iraq. Afghanistan. Iraq..."
Not exactly the best of impressions, especially considering that in real life America is rather more interesting and less mundane as such.
By the way, the SIOE site is a riot.
"Racism is the lowest form of stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense."
...Oh Gawd. :laugh4:
Yes we did, and we went pretty far in it, their isolation is voluntary. And they are a problem not a resource. What use do we have for people that don't speak the language, are usually low if at all educated, and unwilling to accept basic norms of society. Only usefull for the extensive equality industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Come on Frag get on the same hymn sheet as Anders , it is the ones who are well educated that is the threat :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
And they are a problem not a resource. What use do we have for people that don't speak the language, are usually low if at all educated
Yeah and it are the uneducated ones we can't use, quite an enrichment don't you agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Fragony your comments illustrate your views very well :thumbsdown:
We need some 7-8 thousand workers in the transport business. The only education you need for that job, is a drivers license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
You should focus on getting your economy up and running instead of complaining about foreigners, frag.
Economically speaking they are a massive burden, unemployment rates among immigrants is so excessive it costs us billions of euro's a year. Not to forget the massive crimerates. There never was selection at the gate here, so we got people from medievalstan and message was welcome and bring your whole retarded village. That didn't work. The most passionate supporters of all this nonsense are usually from enviroments that are white as snow, not unlike Finland, it's nice to have a hobby but do it with your own money.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Fragony your comments illustrate your views very well
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welcome and bring your whole retarded village.
Now that is a nice illustration of why Anders Gravers has a problem with having a message yet trying to not associate with people with the same message .
Perhaps the lesson in all this is that if you think people with the same aims as you are nuts then maybe your aims are nuts too
Without immigration, Norway's economy would be in a complete mess now. The oil was pumped up by pakistanis..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Why not look for the country's that are culturally the most enriched, the Netherlands, England, France, Belgium, it's a fricking disaster for the economy's of these country's, massive unemployement, screaming crimerates. Billions and billions and billions of euro's.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Can't blame your economic disaster on the immigrants. Sorry, that one is too cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
How 'bout trying this instead: boost your economy to create new jobs to reduce unemployment.
I blame it onQuote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Create jobs for uneducated unintergrated people who can read nor write and don't speak the language? What kind of jobs? And even if we, god knows how, created them, the payoff for working a full week would be just about as high as the welfare they recieve now. Jobs enough by the way, that is why we are all to happy with the poles who do the jobs the immigrants don't want. Welfare state has spawned a group that just can't be activated.
Bah, you savages will never learn how to manage your land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Time to give it up and recall the nobility, I'd say.
That's what people say here as well, despite the fact that more than 50% of wannabe-immigrants are refused entry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Those are asylum seekers, we have an extremily harsh policy concerning those, certainly less then 50%, much less I think. But most new immigrants come here through marriage, the majority of the girls import a man from marocco and the men do likewise, often after 4 year they divorce, immigrant is then legal, and they marry again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
You might want to review your laws when marriage is seen as the best/only way to gain entry to your country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
We tried, but there is this lovely thing called europe, they go to belgium, marry there, and move back here. Nothing we can do. Only thing that helps is a complete lockdown of our borders for non-western immigrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
I wasn't talking about laws to limit immigration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
You mean to get the well educated foreigners aboard I assume? An employer can fix a working permit, but we aren't as popular as a destination anymore, the taxes are high, and because there aren't enough houses the housing is very expensive, if I sell my place and move to the states I can live ten times as spacious as I do now. Immigrants with potential move to the states or canada (and Finland so it seems) and I don't blame them. Sad truth is that we have gotten ourselves into a situation nobody knows how to fix, and to make it even worse the natives have had it and are migrating en-masse.
It's time for those old and wise words: It's the economy, stupid!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Fix that, and you'll fix everything.
BTW, I wasn't just talking about the well educated immigrants, there's a limited number of jobs requiring good education and you could also educate people after they get there.
Oh, and who wants to move to finland, the land of frozen lakes?
Can they be muslim extremists when they divorce? At least in christianity divorce is usually frowned upon. If they're that loose concerning morals and marriage, they cannot be a grave danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Stop putting things in perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
But of course, if you have any good suggestions I would be delighted to forward them to those that represent us. Economics have been warning for decades that the welfare-state in it's current form would turn out to be unsustainable, but linking it to immigration was political death. Now we still have a very healthy economy, but the tax payers who are funding the party are leaving. You will see quite a few highly able dutchies comming your way in the comming years, Finland and Denmark are both popular migrationcountries. Listen to their tales of woe and conclude that uncle Fragony has a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
They would choose scandinavia as a tax haven...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
In that case, I doubt that they are "highly able". They're more likely to be "slightly retarded".
As a welfare state haven and because the dutch feel 'connected' with the scandinavians (even though scandinavians aren't exactly the most welcomming people), usually refered to as the netherlands of thirty years ago, you see in scandinavia you pay high taxes and get something back, here you pay high taxes but you have to pay for everything nonetheless, you or your employer.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Lord have mercy on my soul, but I shall help Fragony get his point across.
Here's a graph of Norway's immigration. It looks exactly like one from France, Belgium, The Netherlands fifteen years ago. Norway only started to receive mass immigration in the late eighties, fifteen to twenty years later than the Rhineland countries. Extrapolate the following for another two decades, and Norway will be where the Rhineland is now:
https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7532/nor1er4.jpg
As for 'It's the economy, stupid. Improve that, and all your troubles will vanish like snow before the springs sun' - well, no, I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. Take a look at Norway's unemployment graph. Irrespective of economic fortune, the unemployment rates for Norwegians are extremely low, three to six percent. Whereas the ones for immigrants vary more wildly with the economic flow, but are consistently much higher. Will Norway's social oil welfare state be sustainable in twenty years time, when the oil is drying up and the number of non-western immigrants will not be 4% anymore, but 15-20%?
https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8430/nor2sw1.jpg
Now that is an absolute classic . The more Fragony writes the less sense he makes .Quote:
They would choose scandinavia as a tax haven...?
In that case, I doubt that they are "highly able". They're more likely to be "slightly retarded".
Look ...... bollox , though to be fair he does name one country that has above average unemployment , but that countries rate is falling not rising , and he manages to name a country that though it has below average unemployment is not falling , but it isn't rising either .Quote:
Why not look for the country's that are culturally the most enriched, the Netherlands, England, France, Belgium, it's a fricking disaster for the economy's of these country's, massive unemployement, screaming crimerates. Billions and billions and billions of euro's.
How about ....Half of the people leaving the country are migrants returning home , and your en-masse flood of natives leaving is proportionly smaller than it was 40-50 years ago .Quote:
Sad truth is that we have gotten ourselves into a situation nobody knows how to fix, and to make it even worse the natives have had it and are migrating en-masse.
Or even ...OK ignoring the fact that 2/3 immigrants are european , what is happening to all these moroccan immigrants ? are they practicing cannibalism or something ? there must be some reason why they make up les than 2% of the population..so Frag are they eating themselves when they arrive ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
But most new immigrants come here through marriage, the majority of the girls import a man from marocco and the men do likewise,
Listen to Fragonys tales of woe and you conclude that he must be from that village in medievalstan he mentionedQuote:
Listen to their tales of woe and conclude that uncle Fragony has a point.
Your numbers are so incorrect Tribes, must have been looking for them at the wrong places.
whistleblower Sietsma, former head of the immigration department;
http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=...immigratieramp
numerical wizardry
http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=...eggedefinieerd.
thats funny frag , they are from your government .Quote:
Your numbers are so incorrect Tribes, must have been looking for them at the wrong places.
That's what I saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
No Frag what you said that a former civil servant who is a member of the lunatic fringe contends the figures .Quote:
That's what I said
Not him contending the figures, just saying how they got that way (technically the head of the immigration office is a civil servant of course), what you should be looking for is in the second link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
question, how come you speak dutch? just curious.
het vrije volk?
:laugh4:
Sorry, but that doesn't sound like a reliable link. :sweatdrop:
whew what posts...
will europe ever be saved?
Get rid of the left and you get rid of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyar Son
That one is a little flawed; we received a large batch of immigrants, mostly pakistani's, when we started drilling seriously in the late 60's to 70's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Oh, and there are a LOT more swedes here than it's shown. there's around 50k working in or around oslo alone.
Our unemployment now is actually negative, in that we lack workers. As of this instant, there are 43 419 people registered on www.nav.no, which is the government site where unemployed people have to register to get aid. That number also includes people who have signed up on the site only to browse job ads, like myself, so the number of actual unemployed people is a little lower. The number of job ads on that site is 31 913. So, we have 40k unemployed and 30k available jobs right now. Now factor in facts like that 60-70% of all available jobs are never advertised, job ads in different places, etc, and the result is that we in effect have no unemployment at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Oh, and about the oil, Norway haven't used any oil money for a couple of decades now ~;)