Ah well it's just christmas.

Why celebrate christmas once a year when you can have a multiculture all the time? Yeah, Labour is finally starting to completily lose it. Yes, let's give the other cultures some chance and celebrate a little less, and let's replace it with another ceremony, good idea. Of course our house fundamentalist minister of integration Ella Vogelaar loves the idea, sometimes a picture says more then a thousand words;

http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/ima...lkonnetjes.jpg

Oh multiculture blessed is your name absolute is your truth, show us the way and critisism shall have no dominion, so help us our militants, amen.

Give me a break or at least a little breath,

nuts.

Not quite sure what you're rambling about this time, frag...

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Not quite sure what you're rambling about this time, frag...

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Oh the cult in england had another revelation, christmas has to go. Supposedly offense. Not sure what I am rambling about either, my brain is incapable of processing such data I am not from that church.

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Oh the cult in england had another revelation, christmas has to go. Supposedly offense. Not sure what I am rambling about either, my brain is incapable of processing such data I am not from that church.

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Christmas has to go...?

You wouldn't happen to have a linky or something, do you?

It's probably just another rehash of the "Daily Mail ohnoes here's another made up story about Xmas being banned" that crops up every year, and only gets older and never any truer. So unless there's actually anything behind it, I'd say that word Tribsey has so immortalised that ends with X and begins with B.

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Christmas has to go...?

You wouldn't happen to have a linky or something, do you?

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Only in dutch. Not really 'has to go' but less profound, and more emphasise, which usually let's itselve read as financial promotion, of the festivities of other cultures. And even a universal one lol. This leap of faith contest of the followers of universal one is starting to grow ever more grotesque.

It wouldn't happen to be this one, frag?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5

You ought to stop listening to tabloids, you know...

If I see that correctly they have some really big letters in the background of the picture saying "ramadan festival".

I'm not sure what to think about it, if we have muslims here, they can celebrate ramadan, but replacing christmas xmas with ramadan sounds a bit weird. :shrug:

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It wouldn't happen to be this one, frag?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5

You ought to stop listening to tabloids, you know...

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Only read dutch article, no surprise dailymail makes a fuss about it. In the last month I have heard from my fundamentalistic minister of Integration that the dutch identity doesn't exist and that we should be heading towards a christian/jewish/islamic identity so sorry if nothing really surprises me. This doesn't. Not even angry just tired.

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I'm not sure what to think about it, if we have muslims here, they can celebrate ramadan, but replacing christmas xmas with ramadan sounds a bit weird. :shrug:

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That one hits the nail though Husar, Christmas was replaced long ago, not with ramadan, but with X-mas :laugh4:

I would love to see easter and christmas replaced with 2 extra free holiday weeks though. I don't see why we should force people to use their holiday at those dates... Might be hard to do, but if it's possible, then I'd support it. Some people might choose to use it during holiday, some would still use it at the same dates, other people might want to take a week or two off to flee the cold winter in january/february etc...

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If I see that correctly they have some really big letters in the background of the picture saying "ramadan festival".

I'm not sure what to think about it, if we have muslims here, they can celebrate ramadan, but replacing christmas xmas with ramadan sounds a bit weird. :shrug:

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No that's not it, that picture was taken in the Netherlands, That's Ella in Wonderland our minister of integration who is completily utterly insane. No talk about replacing it with ramadan. It isn't like the cult respects that either you know, they only respect their ideal, islam is just a little harder to reel in, and will have to go at some point but in the meantime feed it some scraps.

I don't see it as insane to want to remove religion.

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I don't see it as insane to want to remove religion.

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Religiously?

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Religiously?

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Punnery?

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Punnery?

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Kinda, but I do believe multiculturalism should be officially recognised as a religion and I am dead serious.

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That one hits the nail though Husar

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That has to be a first, I usually just hit the thumbnail. ~;)

I think we should remove atheism though, it's what breeds this multiculturalism stuff, it destroys our values, our morals, our jobs, our governments, our countries!!!!1111

When we still had a christian Kaiser, everything was better. :shame:

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I think we should remove atheism though, it's what breeds this multiculturalism stuff, it destroys our values, our morals, our jobs, our governments, our countries!!!!1111

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Well, you christians are doing your best to do that.... Can't see why it's wrong for us non-believers to do the same thing to you though ~;)

People want the prosperity that seems comes with skilled immigration. Skilled immigrants will have representative power due to the higher average income. The more immigrants there are, the more power they represent. Because of this power and the fact that the country becomes part theirs after they've lived there for a while, they don't want "their state" to have a State Religion at odds with their own. This really does make sense. People are trading cultural identity for fast track prosperity - which really makes sense if your cultural identity doesn't mean that much to you in the first place.

If it does, you're out of luck.

National divisions and ethnicity are arbitrary and Christianity did much better when it was persecuted anyway.

On the other hand, you could come to a middle ground and allow only immigrants who wished to adopt general cultural values (religion, patriotism, etc) into the country. Trade off a little economic prosperity. (most major western countries are already too far gone one way to implement this)

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Agreed, so they better start treating everybody in the same way.

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Now, tell me, Frag, how is having christian holidays made into national holidays in a supposedly secular country fair to everybody who isn't a Christian? If we're going to be treating everybody the same, why not just give everybody a week or two per year that they can use for their personal religious holidays.(aka, quanza, easter, channukah, etc...)

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If we're going to be treating everybody the same, why not just give everybody a week or two per year that they can use for their personal religious holidays.(aka, quanza, easter, channukah, etc...)

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Gah, you stole my idea from a couple of posts up!

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Gah, you stole my idea from a couple of posts up!

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I just liked it that much, that's all.:bow: Plus, I read this in the morning, and I knew somebody had pointed it out, but I'm rather tired and irritated at the moment w/ RL stuff, so I didn't really bother looking for whoever had stated it. So yes, HoreTore, credit hereby officially goes to you. Happy?~;p

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People want the prosperity that seems comes with skilled immigration. Skilled immigrants will have representative power due to the higher average income. The more immigrants there are, the more power they represent.

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In all honesty who has a higher skillset?

Someone who has gone through a trade school and/or university who has a professional specialty and a broad educational and social awareness. (This can include religious preachers by the by)

Or someone who is a fundamentalist whose field of study is so narrow in focus that it automatically excludes other options (which can happen in non religious courses too).

In general though a business/engineering/arts/engineering educated person tends to be of the first set. While the second set seems to be more prolific from third worlders and home schoolers. Rutherford was rather blinkered in his approach to women being educated in Physics... ironic since he was home schooled by his mum. Anyhow a lot of 'education' seems to be about removing other options from sight, and this is more easily done be home schooling and/or in a religious school. This in turns means they are a higher resource of blinkered religion ie fundamentalism. However don't for a moment believe that any other course of study that is over specialised or elitist can not cause such a hubris to create fundamentalists. Jingoism and elitism can create another form of blinkers very close in resolution to that of the religious fundamentalism.

I'm sure that there are multicultural fundamentalists. In some ways that is an oxymoron if they are removing one culture in favour of another. My preferred model of multiculturalism is an international food court using the local health laws... best blend of all... that and multi-origin coffee. :2thumbsup:

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Now, tell me, Frag, how is having christian holidays made into national holidays in a supposedly secular country fair to everybody who isn't a Christian? If we're going to be treating everybody the same, why not just give everybody a week or two per year that they can use for their personal religious holidays.(aka, quanza, easter, channukah, etc...)

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The same reason why we still "in god we trust" printed on money.

It doesn't even matter anymore. Christmas has lost much of its religious value to most people anyway. It's more rooted in culture and tradition rather than faith.

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I just liked it that much, that's all.:bow: Plus, I read this in the morning, and I knew somebody had pointed it out, but I'm rather tired and irritated at the moment w/ RL stuff, so I didn't really bother looking for whoever had stated it. So yes, HoreTore, credit hereby officially goes to you. Happy?~;p

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NO! I will fight this to the end!!


....Or perhaps my tongue was someplace in my cheek...:juggle2:

Hate to break it to you, Frag but this isn't your nemesis 'multiculture' at work, this is Political Correctness gone mad, and even then, I doubt this is true, merely another thread for you to ramble about your disgust for the government accomodating people who are different than you.

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Hate to break it to you, Frag but this isn't your nemesis 'multiculture' at work, this is Political Correctness gone mad, and even then, I doubt this is true, merely another thread for you to ramble about your disgust for the government accomodating people who are different than you.

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I'd doubt you have a say in Frag's mind though, being an armenian I think you're one of those behind his conspiracy...

But hey, you're in excellent company :2thumbsup:

Just because they ban it doeesn't mean that people won't celebrate it. Religion should be kept to the home. Perhaps a good idea would be to make it a national day off, then let people celebrate it?

I dunno, it doesn't bother me either way.

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why not just give everybody a week or two per year that they can use for their personal religious holidays.(aka, quanza, easter, channukah, etc...)

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Its kwanzaa, and its a joke.

http://www.skreemr.com/link.jsp?id=615D4452575A65

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http://www.officialkwanzaawebsite.org/index.shtml

Hmm, doesn't really seem like a joke to me...:inquisitive: Although I'll admit I mistook if for being religious, which it isn't exactly, but I digress. Anyhow, do you mind answering the question I pozed, PanzerJager, since you are right along with Fragony on his views here? You know, rather than attempting to make other forum goers look incompetent?

How many times have we fought the War on Christmas anyway? When will the specters of Christmas ever die?

It's like a frickin' hydra. We cut off its tin-hatted head this December, and it comes back next year, same day same time, like a bloody insurgent. I'm tired of this war, really. It's an unwinnable quagmire that we can't get out of. :no:

I wasn't trying to make you seem incompetent, I just remembered the "12 Days of Kwanzaa" - which I find hilarious and very representative of many people who live around here. :beam:

As for your question - I think every society has cultural values that are part of its social fabric, and in the Western World, Christmas and Easter are included. While the government is secular, it still represents the people within it, and if the vast majority celebrate Christmas, then it is definitely worthy of a national holiday.

As others have said, Christmas has transcended religion for most people and become part of the culture. And who is it that wants to get rid of Christmas? Jews? Hindus? Bhudists? Muslims?... nope.. only the people who claim to represent them... I wouldn't call them multiculturists, more like anticulturists...

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Hate to break it to you, Frag but this isn't your nemesis 'multiculture' at work, this is Political Correctness gone mad

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I know that, how can I have a nemesis that doesn't exist? Multiculture is nothing more then the percieved heaven of those who want to believe in something. No such thing, only groups of people living on the same spot.

And Kamikan, they can do that what is your point? There is this wild thing called 'days of', you have a few each year and you can take them when you want, and you can work at christmas if you want.......

I say we take back Yule and celebrate it as it should. The church took it from us way back when.

If the Christians want to celebrate the birth of Christ, then they should be allowed to. But here is an idea… why not celebrate a little closer to the actual day He was born, say around April.

Christmas today, at least here, is called Jul (see the connection?). We feast on pork, drink Juleøl (Yule beer) or Julebrus (Yule soda). We go to Julebord (Yule feasts) and eat and drink ourselves to stupor. We decorate trees; we decorate with mistletoe and holly and burn Yule logs. Much like we did pre-Christianity.

Let the Christians have their own holyday… We want ours back.

The only problem I have with Christmas is that we don't seem to get snow anymore. Thank you global warming you destroyed my romantic christmas winters. :furious3:

Yes, it's actually true, while I played in snow half the winter as a kid, we now get hardly any snow and probably soon now snow at all in winter. :no:

Maybe the weather is a multicultist? It wants to turn good old Germania into a new Africa. :eeeek: :clown:

I'm with Sigurd! Let's reclaim our pagan heritage, we've been suppressed by this imported eastern mystery religion for too long! I mean who do they think they are, bringing their middle-eastern personality cults to upset the lives of decent law-abiding, beer-swilling, virgin-sacrificing, pig-eating, sheep-bothering pagan peoples?!!

So I demand days off for: Imbolc, Beltaine, Oestre, Samhain, Lughnasad, vernal and autumnal equinoxes, summer and winter solstices, and any "Saint's" day that can be identified as a gloss of a pre-existing pagan deity.

I think that should cut my work days down to about three per year.... cool :clown:

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Not if your pay is cut accordingly. :laugh4:

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And who is it that wants to get rid of Christmas? Jews? Hindus? Bhudists? Muslims?... nope.. only the people who claim to represent them... I wouldn't call them multiculturists, more like anticulturists...

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QFT

Heh - may I join the surprised group of people who find themselves in full agreement with PJ on a sociopolitical issue?

~;)

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We go to Julebord (Yule feasts) and eat and drink ourselves to stupor.

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Never really thought about it; but is that a thing we invented? Hmm...

Anyway, you forgot the bit about "cheating with a co-worker after getting drunk" though.

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QFT

Heh - may I join the surprised group of people who find themselves in full agreement with PJ on a sociopolitical issue?

~;)

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Add me to that list!

Argh - I need to start a thread justifying the invasion of Poland or something... im going mainstream! :help:

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Argh - I need to start a thread justifying the invasion of Poland or something... im going mainstream! :help:

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I know how you feel.... I've been there too... Agreeing with Don C, Odin, etc... *shudders*

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I solved my problem by starting a real hippie flower thread. I'd think you should be cured if you tried to explain fascism here again :smash: