When can we expect to start seeing previews. I practically get a hard on from just the name EB2. Im going to need my weekly fix of previews pretty soon. So please help me and the other addicts out, and get them previews a flowin.
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When can we expect to start seeing previews. I practically get a hard on from just the name EB2. Im going to need my weekly fix of previews pretty soon. So please help me and the other addicts out, and get them previews a flowin.
Im sure that you will not get your fix of previews anytime soon.Im not even sure they have strated this mod already.
Well, from various posts on the forums here and there, some work does seem to have already been done.
Well, another thing I really wnat to know, is this game being made for regular Med2 or Kingdoms, I really hope its being made for Kingdoms because of the extra features. Ive seen discusions about this but have never seen a definate answer. So, Med2 or Kingdoms?
Its for Kingdoms ,which I don't have.Ill go kill myself now.
99.9% sure it is going to be on Kingdoms. :juggle2:
As for previews, there probably won't be any in game screen shots or anything any time soon. There has been two Steles released that are sort of previews. With the work on v1.0, there hasn't been any more of these, but they will continue some time soon.
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That's bad news. :no: Kingdoms comes with malware copy protection, which remains even after the uninstall. If EB2 comes for Kingdoms, then goodbye from me, sorry. :embarassed: Please don't make it for Kingdoms unless CA release a cleaning patch, which is very much unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus
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what does this mean?Quote:
Kingdoms comes with malware copy protection, which remains even after the uninstall.
Thats so good to hear, thank you. If its going to be for regular Med Ill be pissed because youll be able to do a lot more with kingdoms and that will mkae the game so much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus
Kingdoms uses SecuROM as its copy-protection, the newest version of which installs a rootkit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
You have about a 400 years to get it before release. :clown:Quote:
Its for Kingdoms ,which I don't have.Ill go kill myself now.
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Originally Posted by Bonny
This. Also in here and here.
Although there is no consensus, a reasonable part of the TW fanbase have decided to keep away from Kingdoms.
That aside, not basing the original mod on an expansion, which requires purchasing two products, thus paying twice, was a very fair and wise decision. Considering also that Kingdoms doesn't have as good a reputation as BI at least among the old timers, following the same path with the new mod will be even fairer and wiser.
Please think about it guys.
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Not going to happen. Kingdoms has been decided on for very many different reasons, not least because permanent forts would be fantastic, und also the possibility to restrict units based upon "religion".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
Anyway, by the time EB2 is released Kingdoms will be about a fiver in a shop. So no worries.
Foot
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Sad decision indeed because even if the price drops town to $1 SecuRom will be there, as it seems. I won't let any malware willingly on my computer, even for the sake of EB, nor would many others. Sorry...
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What are you talking about?! Kingdoms has done NOTHING to harm my computer and EVERYONE should get it, its just a game. Not to sound harsh or anything, cause I know that admins of this forum dont like inappropriate behavior. I am gratefull that they are making it for kingdoms cause it is the best TW game released yet. I havent even touched regular Med since I got Kingdoms, the very second it was put on the shelves at my local Gamestop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
fanboy much?Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman7291
Do you know about SecuROM? You should do as Kingdoms installed it on your computer without you knowing about it.
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That's really messed up. However, are you able to remove it? It lists all of the files there, you can just delete correct? Or is it one of those tricky ones that has files all over the place?
Its the tricky, download-app-to-delete-undeleteable-registry-entry type of thing.
wow, what a piece of filthy malware. Nasty!
anyone interested in EB2 should read up on Securom included with Kingdoms. It is absolute trash.
I think that everyone should stop bitching so much, it has done nothing to my comp and believe me I would know if it has. And anyway, there is a bunch of prgrams made for removing it, so there is no reason not to get Kingdoms.
ethics
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Not only a fanboy but a troll. I hope the pollution caused by your existence won't last long.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman7291
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I don't think I'd get EB2 if it's for Kingdoms either.
I'm confused, other then preventing you from using illegal copies of the game and putting something on your computer that you didn't ask for, what does this do that is so evil?
The latter point I find bad enough, but in theory (and I'll admit I know little about this) it allows for remote access to ones computer without the users knowledge.
That's pretty much self-explanatory. The fact that removing it is extremely tedious is another problem aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus
It also creates issues if you're using some legal programs such as Deamontools, AVG and what not.
And don't get me started on the fact that paying consummers are always getting screwed up by this kind of copy-protection thingie (ie. starforce, Bioshock), while people who get the game illegaly will solve the issue in 5 min. So yeah, I won't be buying Kingdoms, and thus, won't be playing EB2, at least until the release a patch to get rid of securom (which will likely never happens).
seems sort of ridiculous. who really cares if you cant make illegal copies? unless its how you earn a living, it seems like NOT a big deal at all.
No EB2 for me ~:mecry:
It doesn't stop people from making illegal copies, just makes it marginally harder for those who do and it still takes the same amount of time for everyone else to google the file to do so. '_' Which makes it just irritate honest computer literate people and makes it more attractive for those people to get the cracked version to avoid dealing with crappy DRM.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus
It does seem futile and faintly hostile, but if all you need is an application to remove it for you, all that needs to happen is for said application to be provided and everyone wins.
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Originally Posted by Elminster12
The removal isn't the only issue. As some posters have stated above, SecuRom is malware itself.
And no, it doesn't make illegal copies any harder. Just pisses off the honest customers.
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TBH, I have Kingdoms, and I use DaemonTools all the time with no problems.
well, it is rumoured that these types of 'backdoor' trojan style copy protection systems send private info(as in, info you did NOT make public) to the parent company, who in turn will sell it to the highest bidder. It is clearly capable of acting in this way, as well, companies have proven be capable of acting this way as well, anything for the profit. Another issue is that more malicious people could use the same ports that are opened by this utility to access your computer. If the public can crack these protections within hours, how long would it take for them to connect to uncracked(infected by SecuROM) versions running on paying customers computers? not very long at all
Well, yeah, it can be removed (though that's quite a tedious process actually), but still, I will never ever buy a game with such copy-protection crap, that only result is to piss off honest players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elminster12
And I'm not whining for EB2 to be released as a non-Kingdom mod. I perfectly understand that Kingdom offers great features that would greatly enhance the EB experience. EB2 must be released with Kingdom, even if it means I will likely not play it.
I second that statment, and would like to add I also use MagicIso and AVG with NO problems as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elphir
It seems to me that people have become desensetised by the current state of software, malicious code is everywhere oftentimes used by legitimate parties, as can be seen by this example. It's become the way things are.Quote:
seems sort of ridiculous. who really cares if you cant make illegal copies? unless its how you earn a living, it seems like NOT a big deal at all.
IIRC, in the 90's, everybody would be pissed. Not even because of what the software does, but because it does it to YOUR PROPERTY without your consent. Why should it be acceptable. If I had known that it contained the DRM when I bought it, I wouldn't have (Which is probably one of the reasons why it isn't mentioned anywhere on the box). Installing it now that it's mine is no matter, because the actual software doesn't bother me. I won't be buying anything else from CA, though, because their software is invasive.
To make EB2 truly unique, after EB1 (and how it was perceived thanks to you guys) we would need all the potential M2TW has to offer, if it is to be truly spectacular. And it will be.
If the price for that would be to alienate those of you who will not buy Kingdoms, then so be it.
I'm a major fanboy, but I'll be getting it pretty much just for EB...Quote:
Originally Posted by keravnos
yeah, Ill only be "getting" it for EB2 for sure.
At the very least, people should be made aware of this stuff. More popular games like Bioshock are possibily going to be recieving law suits from consumers.
Meaning?Quote:
Originally Posted by keravnos
Just make sure you delete the registry values that kingdoms puts on your cpu. I think they stay after delete. I have kingdoms and just removed it, i just dont like it, not bc of the values it writes into your registry. After standard delete you have to play search and destroy on your own cpu, under start go to run and type regedit, but be careful you can mess your cpu up bad if you delete the wrong entries.
I have a hope that by the time EB2 is released SEGA (I never call them CA because CA doesnt exist deal with it people) will remove the Securom7 from Kingdoms as happened with some other games and Starforce...just a hope...
I'm not a black helicopter type of guy and I don't personally pirate / copy / crack software. Not too much worried about these types of copy protections and never had a problem with them. /shrug.
As to them gathering personal information - sure, it's possible (hell, it's possible within pretty much any software you install, games included.) The legal exposure to the company if caught (and they would be given the hue and cry over it here...probably kids sitting in their basements monitoring every packet as I type) would be devastating. Yeah, they add that language into the EULA which would last them all of 5 seconds in front of a judge if they maliciously used that software to steal private information. (gee, your honor, I told them they might get robbed...then I robbed them - how can you hold me accountable for that?)
Finally, if the team decided the features offered with Kingdoms will make EB2 a better game - given the effort and work put into v1 to make it the excellent experience it is, I'll trust their judgement on which version to make EB2 on.
Fanboy? maybe, but then the folks here have earned my respect.
Anyway Kingdoms works even without Securerom...learn to google people...Quote:
Originally Posted by Starforge
Don't care - so why would I google it? Congrats, however, for those who were concerened :).Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
Good for you...thanks god that we got this amazing online programming community that provides solutions...Cant wait for EBII now!!!! :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Starforge
I will definitely play EB2,even if I have to install that crappy Vista!!!
Kingdoms aint Vista only...its not even DX10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barigos
I dont care how easy it is to take off, i would have bought kingdoms just so i could play EB2 but I guess this changes things. Oh well
Has noone noticed that the only way this affects people i have seen so far is if they are taking part in illegal activities? By breaking the laws of computer companies, you lose all their protection, that is how this works, obviously. Of course i do not want this kind of thing on my computer, but then again, i dont want to be caught on camera an average of 100 times a day, but it never does and probably never will even warrant my notice. Not to mention that if anything did happed fraud wise, you would likely make an enormous profit out of a lawsuit, they wont take that risk beleive me.
Wrong actually. I can't use Filemon any more with MTW2 which is a huge shame for discovering bugs in EB. Filemon is a program that monitors the activities of programs on the computer. Securom doesn't like it and will cause the game not to start if it is running, you have to restart the computer just to get into the game. You can start the game first and then load filemon afterwards, but securom won't allow any further use of that program once you've exited it once until you restart the computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Copperknickers
Just because a company states that its program is to be used to defend copyright and only harms those dealing in illegal activities, doesn't make them correct. The innocent are harmed far more than the criminals.
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Last I checked, those engaged in illegal activity simply went on downloading games despite all these great security programs; the only ones affected are legal buyers, as always, who are stuck with unwanted programs which may quite conceivably compromise security of a pc or affect other programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Copperknickers
I think it was representative of Starforge (another nasty malware-type copyright protection software) that said that ultimate goal of copy protection software is to delay the eventual cracking of the game for the critical couple of months, during which the bulk of the games sales are made. After the copy protection has been cracked it serves no purpose, it only makes the life of law abiding retail owning people more difficult, with the added harm of enabling backdoors to their computers.
Fortunately I personally don't know of any troijan, virus or malware that uses these backdoors. Please correct me if I am wrong.
(ps. sorry for the really long sentences)
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As some other poster told here or over at the Securom related thread, Kingdoms was cracked what? within the week of release or something like that.Quote:
I think it was representative of Starforge (another nasty malware-type copyright protection software) that said that ultimate goal of copy protection software is to delay the eventual cracking of the game for the critical couple of months
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Even worse - it was under twenty-four hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
lol Yeah. Without exaggeration ,it was cracked within first 24 hours. But I'm wondering ,Does CA not really aware of this fact after all of those years being in gaming business??! I don't understand why they think these softwares can delay cracking their games?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
Unfortunately the CA don't make the decision. It's the publishers, in this case SEGA, who select the copy protection mechanism. Due to this, SEGA are the only ones with the power to officially allow SecuROM's removal. The only problem is they are not actually part of the community, so don't see any of these problems the ordinary consumer is facing. In addition, I doubt they look around to investigate the success of their strategies, so probably are ignorant to SecuROM's failure.
I have kingdoms and have absolutely no problems at all. The only problem with kingdom that I can think about is for you with low end computers............
All this developing technocrap actually makes me feel a bit nervous. Tracking software, passport microchips, cameras everywhere...
My grandparents were living under a real totalitarian regime.
My parents were living under dying out totalitarian regime.
I live a free life and happy about it.
Are my children and grandchildren to live under a XXI century totalitarian regime again?
If they live in America, then yes.
Many popular games are cracked a week before they actually come out. :book:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
Could we leave politics out of here, please? If you want to talk politics, go to the Backroom (membership can be requested in your user CP).
I am rather suprised you think that. The software industry is very competitive, so you bet they look very carefully at whether their strategies get results. SecuROM is a failure, but no more than any other attempt to stop piracy, and while it is not going to stop the really determined hackers, I suppose it had some effect at "schoolyard software distributors". Perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
Not that any of this makes the inclusion of malware more acceptable.
Securom is the reason why I have had to download the cracked Kingdoms executable, precisely for the reason that Foot says. I have to use FileMon occasionally, and Kingdoms refuses to load if it has been run at any time since last boot. When I took it up with Securom, they said I should reboot before playing. Having to reboot just to play is not good enough for me, and it has no effect at all on pirates. Securom/Starforce has only ever helped annoy paying customers. Those who are unwilling to pay for the game will continue unperturbed.
I think the only copy protection scheme that has ever worked is Stardock's. Which is no protection at all, until you download patches that improve the game immensely. Only those with a legal purchase can download those updates, it's painless and effective. Those who don't care about the game enough to pay to get those are probably the same people who would not pay to get the game in the first place, so no money is lost.
But you see the CA=SEGA company is one two patches kind of deal they dont patch their games frequently....Quote:
Originally Posted by bovi
Ive removed SEcurom and still enjoy Kingdoms either way SEGA=CA should understand that until the net is tamed through nazi like regulations piracy will be unstoppable...A single player game and piracy is like a 10 years old girl in a room with a paedophile...
I also dont have any problems what so ever using deamons, hacks, keygens, AVG. everything works on my puter as good as new. no problems what so ever.
I think the problem is just like when steam came out and everyone freaked on that one.
Seeing as the total war games the last couple of years have been really weak in their first iteration, including Kingdoms which doesn't even get any patches for advertised, broken features, they certainly would benefit from adopting this model.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
Galactic Civilizations 2 is a single player game and works fine with it. Those who pay get improved AI that can counter exploits that become known, new features (a few, most are reserved for expansions naturally), improved interface etc.Quote:
A single player game and piracy is like a 10 years old girl in a room with a paedophile...
I have a question of my own. for the love of God why is every faction in EB1 speaking Greek. Illiriyan's never spoke Greek. neither did romans and what not. No disrespect to the team or anyone who is Greek. but either add some diversity with native tongues or make it all English in game. one of my friends was playing against a Serbian or rather Baltic faction, and they were speaking greek.?
is this a feature that hopefully will not be included in the next version.
Again no disrespect to the team or anyone who is Greek. i just believe for more accuracy, either have them speak the native tongue if you can find it, or just have it all in English ( when you click on the faction and they recite there profession).
I'm sure I just read that exact post in another thread...
Not all voicemods have been completed yet, this is an ongoing project. In the end the most appropriate language for every faction will be implemented, as long as it is a language that can reasonably be reconstructed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dibran88
Foot
But you see these stuff can be found online for free still...same with STEAM that was cracked days after launch...On the other hand try playing on any private WoW server the lag will make you vomit...Quote:
Originally Posted by bovi
Actually, with StarForce, it did. I didn't know Silent Hunter III used Starforce protection (or even what SF was) when I bought it, installed it, and soon afterward realized that the cd drive I installed the game from started running at the slowest speed it could. That drive would take upward of an hour to install any other game on a single CD, while my other drive would install the same game in the less than 5 minutes. I can't PROVE that SF was the problem, however the drive worked fine both before installing Silent Hunter III, and while installing it, then just slowed itself to a crawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Copperknickers
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to speak on the forum of how to legally buy a game and still get around this sort of copy protection (it requires use of a "patch I shall not name" that isn't official, and allows playing the game without the CD in the drive)...
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Originally Posted by Dibran88
I have no idea about the baltic people, but the Romani most definately don't speak Greek, they speak latin.
Maybe they spoke greek in 0.7X, but since 0.8 its definately been Latin.
You're right, I guess I just didn't check the net for the patches. Indeed you can find some of the updates on Filefront etc. I don't know whether these work on non-registered versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
I'm pretty sure Microsoft managed to wipe the net of their updates to Rise of Legends though, and that one I have checked, as they botched up their own update service so that the game can't actually update at all.
Do you have anything to support the claim that Mouzafphaerre, Bobolicious, or for that matter, any of the dozens people who stated they wouldn't be buying Kingdom are actually taking part in illegal activities ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Copperknickers
Yeah, you don't.
Just to sum it up : if I was taking part in illegal activities, I would not even bother about securom. On the other hand, if I buy kingdom, I might find myself with a game that can't run on my PC or screw up other programs. Thanks, but not thanks. I already *bought* a game that *wouldn't freaking work at all* thanks to Starforce, I'm not even going to see what will be happening with Securom.
They didn't speak Greek in 0.7x: the Greeks spoke Latin and so did the Romans (in EB 0.7x not in the *real* world). Culture bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharnakes
Even though I don't like it secrom is no where near as bad as starforce . That has been known to fry optical drives .
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kingdoms have malware man ?
because im buying a laptop to play the total series . . .:lipsrsealed2:
does any antivirus stop that malware you guys are talkin about ?
:feedback: :tumbleweed:
Kingdoms contains Securom AFAIK. And that one has been classified as Malware.
Whether it is still the case when some anticipated patch is out, I dunno. There appear to be tools to remove Securom with, though but then Kingdoms won't work anymore or so the story goes. I, myself, don't know mainly because:
1) I haven't played M2TW-K yet.
2) I haven't bothered to remove Securom et all yet.
That's exactly what put Kingdoms one slot beneath the T-virus on my list.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus
EB2 for Kingdoms = No EB2 for me.
Sorry.
Well, then you're missing out or not thinking outside the box hard enough.