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So.... There has been many talk about how badass the units are.... don't get me wrong, i love 100% of them.... well... maybe 99%:sweatdrop:
The Getic General really kinda pulled me from starting a campaign with them... they seem kinda wierd to me... I also dont like the seleucid pandopotoi, they seem to one-colory:laugh4:
does anyone alse have an "ugly" unit?
P.S No critisisem ment EB team, you rule.
(don't wanna get band or sth:no: )
And before anyone bites his head off, he definately isn't trying to insult anyone ~;)
The ones I like least have to be the Iberi Milites. They just don't grab me, to be honest. But then, warfare was never meant to be pretty...
Until people started dressing up their elephants with fancy decorations. But you get my point...
I'm STILL playing the internal version, but at least in that the Indo-Iranian Light Cavalry is very very ugly, and I don't mean the clothing. Reminds me of Tuco from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Edit: Although it used to be worse before his dentist got sacked.
IMO...
There are no ugly units. Each of them has an own unique look and discovering a new one, an unknown, i experience their beautiness with all my senses.
suck up:laugh4:
i truly despise
-carthage's iberian assault infantry
-getai's dacian light and heavy phalanxes
-eastern kinsmen heavy cavalry
-thereuphoroi/thorakitai
on the other hand, however, the list of the units i LOVE and make incredible eye candy is too long as it encompasses nearly every unit EB has. good work guys!
Just the Hoplite spears .
haha i really like the iberian assault infantry, getai heavy phalanx and thureophoroi and thorakitai :beam: They have style :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gurakshun
I can't say which i don't like though, due to professional courtesy. Well, from my own units i don't like the Asiatikoi Hippeis, the Komatai Pelekuphoroi and i guess i could've also put a bit more effort into Phylakes Daoii.
I don't like some of the changed Sweboz units, the Dugunithz (former Frameharjoz) and the bodyguard, because the colours they are wearing do look more Celtic than Germanic to me. The former Sweboz army had a 'poorer' look, what I think fits those people more.
The KH Classic Hoplite is very ugly, the eye on the shield and dark leather armor not really aesthetically pleasing
I love it the eye on the shield--I guess that just goes to show that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.:beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by fj62
I'd have to say that...dang...I can think of any ugly units. And I'm not sucking up.
I suppose that the Spartan helmets could be called repulsive (though the rest of the unit is gorgeous). Mainly because they were taken from those ridiculous vanilla Spartan Hoplites. I sometimes wish they had a new helmet, perhaps with a long, red plume.
Hey, all you guys feel free to cuss at any unit you don't like. :tomato: :director: :eeeek:
I only ask that you give a reason, as we may have overlooked something completely obvious which just "seemed like a good idea at the time".
and anubis88, nobody would EVER ban you for saying a particular unit looks ugly.
Your choice, your view. Now if you said that "ALL UNITS SUK" we wouldn't like that, I guess, but singling out one or 10 units should be considered fair game.
It is a bit different for members as all of them did have the chance to ask those questions when the unit was done, or could say something inside EBH.
Ha when I read this I asked if you wrote it into a good thread. These units are fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by gurakshun
But some Lusotanan or Getai units are less nice (the word ugly is not correct here)
Ok, let's see:
KH Classical Hoplite: Only because of the dark leather armour... It looks a little weird.
Various Thorakitai: I love the Thorakitai who have chainmail(KH, Ptoly, etc.), but personally I don't particularly find the platemail of the Baktrian Thorakitai appealing. Still beautiful, though.
Eastern Kinsmen Heavy Cavalry: I suppose they aren't quite colourful enough. Compared to the bright armour of other bodyguards, these ones aren't that comparable.
Armenian & Pontic Generals: Their armour is beautiful and all, but their faces look too cartoonish...
Other than that, everything is BEAUTIFUL. Just awesome, particularly the Hetairoi Kataphraktoi. And everything else.
:wink2:
Guess who I think arn't that pleasing.
There Big.
There Badass.
There Naked.
And they'llChew up your front lines.
Haha... Thanx... I'll keep that in mind.:laugh4:
I have to add that I don't like the funny face on pahlavan persian hoplites shield. Armenian and regional are nice, but these...
Besides all people that go to battle in their everyday clothes, like Psiloi, I really don't like Karas Viras. Everytime I look at their heads I come to think these guys drink their water from the latrine while the others are p***ing on their hair.
Probably pantodapoi. Of course that isn't a ding on the model makers or designers, contextually it makes sense-- why would any levy/draftee unit have any reason to be aesthetically pleasing in any way?
i love the getic generals! in a line of brown barbarians, a man in all gold really stands out.
Wasn't sucking at anything, it was my style of sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis88
But honestly, i don't consider any unitmodel 'ugly'. 'not that good looking' or 'not that rich ornamented' are the terms i prefer and if you want to know what i'd call ugly, make a google-image-search with the words 'ugliest dog'.
I wonder if the naked guys ever tea-bag their enemies after a kill? :idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by alatar
Now that would be nasty :beam:
Classical Hoplites and Thureophoroi/Thorakitai are ugly? :hmg:
How could anyone say such a thing! Oh well..
Some people think Glocks are ugly, too.. I think they're bad***, and damn reliable too...
If it makes you feel better, the Sweboz equivalent is much easier to kill. So, take that pent-up frustration on a different breed of naked barbarians ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by alatar
I'm not a huge fan of the new Getai komatai skirmishers compared to the old skin. They no longer have shield designs and their heads are larger than the rest of the Getai troops.
Now there is also a lighter version of the sauna heros around for the Celts around (even though I don't know how you can have a lighter soldier of one that is fighting naked). No drugs, no vibridium helmet, no steel shoes (or whatever gave them 5 armour), just plain skin from head to toe waiting for your archers to do their target practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheexsta
I think one of the Baltic mercenaries (forget which one) seemed to have green hair, and the Celtic Axemen looked like construction workers.
I think the new naked spearman unit, it looks like they're wearing invisible g-strings.
The Garamantine infantry. I just don't like the cowspot patterns on their cloaks, and the orange shields and giant feathers in their headbands make them look kind of garish.
pandotatoi (sp)
I'd say the Carthaginian Sacred Band Cav.
Its really a skinning/texture resolution thing I think, the shield is too low res. (I think similar issue is the main problem with the KH Classical Hoplite) & the barding on the horse too clean/doesn't really look right somehow.
With a re-skin it'll be awesome :yes:
i apperciate all the units but i just have my own hang ups on a few. I dunno i think mine have more to do with fashion and what i would personally like to wear in that environment. But that being said i dont like capes on infantry i think it would be more of a parade thing but i am no historian (ex mak's reformed phalanx sp?) big pike check, sheild check, chain mail check, purple cape Fabulous!
sorry i dont wanna offend anyone like i said its just a thing
A little off topic, is the difference between teabagging and Arabian Goggles that the latter is directed solely for eye sockets?Quote:
Originally Posted by blank
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Purple was an expensive colour. Pink would've been distressing, but purple says balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by sgsandor
A little off topic, but i have had a question about the gaesatae for a while now, and never came around asking it, and since the thread is about the aesthetics of the units i thought it was appropriate, so here it goes, why do the gaesatae have the scabbard on the right side? i was under the impression that you put the scabbard on the left side to make it easier to draw the sword? not that I mind, just a little curious.
back to the topic at hand, i always thought the botroas and gaeroas hairdo to be a little strange, their barbers must have some mad skills to the hair like that. :juggle2:
I think a few of the basic units are very plain looking - Hellenic slingers or archers, and pantodapoi (except for ptolemaic pantodapoi which have a bit of detail to them). Also the Numidian units are a bit bland. Back in vanilla they would have fitted right in, I suppose in EB you start to take intricate detail for granted :egypt:
The scabbard was originaly on the right side and moved to the left much later. May be it is a matter of the shield?Quote:
Originally Posted by ombudsman
That wouldn't be bad, but in my campaigns the Carthies really love that look.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabarto
Why do the Gaesatae wear scabbards anyway? Surely the rest of their clothes are somewhere else anyway, so why bring the scabbard?
The straight from vanilla 'sticky up fringe' effect the Gaeroas doesn't look good to me. But I suppose I'd rather have fabulous armour textures than good hair.
Where would they keep their swords then? :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeran
A baldric would make more sense than a belt to me though, but i don't know if Celts used that much
Uhm... those are the units who are happy to have plain clothing because they can't afford to buy a new set after each battle. I mean: how are you going to get all stains out of your clothing aftewards *and* keep them reasonably the same as before the entire battle? :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny5
@ Thaatu
I know purple was very regal but i was just trying to make a joke
(back to jokes 101 with me)
Ugliest? Probably the cow hide patterned shields of the pantodapoi, and the helmets of the Iberian milities, caetrati and scutarii (however, the ugliness of helmets of the latter is more than made up for their badass spears :2thumbsup: ).
I have to admit I detest the head of the Spartiatai. Their hair just looks really dirty and the beard is really weird too.
Re: Gaesatae scabbards on right hip
Answer: That's where they wore them. We have numerous depictions of Gaesatae-type soldiers with their scabbard on their right hip. I'm not sure why they did it, but they did. Some of them did use baldrics to suspend their swords, and those could even hang at the left hip, but most wore a belt with scabbard on the right hip. The Greeks and most Romans (officers excluded) wore their swords on the left hip, but the Celts most often wore theirs on the right. Perhaps they wanted to do the cool sword twirl in their hands after drawing it from the scabbard (the grip would be wrong at first).
In this case you'll have to redo all unitcards for the Romans ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by paullus
Reenactors draw the sword from the right hip with a reverted grip (thumb down), so you have it in the right way once you turn your hand up again.Quote:
Perhaps they wanted to do the cool sword twirl in their hands after drawing it from the scabbard (the grip would be wrong at first).
Interesting, very interesting indeed, i can see how people with a short sword would do that, but a long sword like the once the Gaesatae had, it seems hard to be able to draw it out. anyway, nice to see how the team takes notice of such small things as where the scabbard is placed. Maybe it´s as Konny stated, that it has something to do with the shield? since they do have pretty big shields, you would not want you scabbard to be in the way...though i have no idea, by no means expert on armor in ancient times...or any other era either.Quote:
Originally Posted by paullus
I actually appreciate the "fabulous" joke, although it's a little hard to get across via writing when you can't do the voice, but I had to counter with the "balls" joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by sgsandor
Real question is how scary would Gaesatae be with full chain mail .
It doesnt matter if the units are ugly. They're very historical and that's all that matters.
I will admit that the Celtic Axemen look like they would more belong in the middle ages . Something about there armor just doesn't seem Classical Era .
I never started playing with the romans becouse i really don't like the camillian units... The Polybian are awsome, but i don't want to wait LOL
I think that's just because the skins are relatively old. The modeling and skinning has improved a lot since those skins were done(certainly no disrespect intended there, but compare the Triarii 'face' shield to the latest shield textures).Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis88
Yep, this is the reason why non-luso Iberians look weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeran
There is two old problems that I remember from .72
1-If playing on anything lower than "very high unt graphics" the Carthaginian general would look -horrifying- I remember having to zoom out in AAR pictures way back when.
2-There was some sort of insane black and orange facemask-wearing ninja in Thermon.
3-Pantodapoi fought like men(only oldbies will get this)
Now onto units, the only units that I don't like(other than the Iberians, but theres a reason for that) would probably be....Epeirote units.
The Green color irritates me for some reason(except on shields, where it looks great).
What happened to Pharnakes?
The Gaestae (sic) are ugly buggers. Fortunately they have other rather large, redeeming features for the ladies :eyebrows:
A large hexagonal shield?
I suppose it can work as a sunshade
I really loved the Getic general actually. The helmet looks a little weird, but hey, no other general can say they are bedecked in gold :beam:
A unit I have a complaint with is the Komatai Epilektoi. The armor just looks a little bit like it's out of a low-budget movie. The metal pieces on the leather seeem too big to me. It's even worse considering the good job they did on studded leather with the Komatai Agrianai. In fact, I implore the team to replace the armor on the epilektoi with the armor used by the agrianai.
I also really loved the old Komatai, especially the good designs on the shields. I don't see why they would throw away such a well-done unit.
I've always been a little skeptical to the Helvetii phalanx. It's an awesome unit, don't get me wrong. It's just the torso that throws me off. It's supposed to be a celtic bronze cuirass. To me it looks like a fancy gold shirt out of a disco movie. The armor is too skintight. It needs to be a little "fatter" if you know what I mean. Add some more thickness and depth and it would look amazing. Just an idea. I am particulary fond of the celtic generals. They look so amazingly badass *drools*
The elephants?Quote:
Originally Posted by alatar
Hmmm, that works too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visitor13
As far as armour goes, the gaesatea have been stated like any other unit. You see, if you have a large shield, the only part of your body that is truly vulnerable is your head. And as it happens, gaesatae head are packaged in a high-quality helmet with cheekguards. That's good for four armour points, IIRC. An extra armour point has been added to all barbarian units for balancing reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by konny
That was quite an old post by me you digged out. Yes, meanwhile I learned how the EB armour system works and how guys with nothing wearing but helmets come to 5 armour.
Hmmm. Chuck Norris(es)?Quote:
Originally Posted by alatar
aye but for the Gestae's 2hitpoints its kinda likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ludens
helmet = 8 armour
+2 armour for balancing
aint i right?:idea2:
I think it's meant tto be their sheer unwillingness to obligingly die when you set a sword into their whatevers. I don't dislike any unit except maybe the Iberian Infantry.
To Cheer up the EB ream, i'll make a list of my favourites:
The Merc Classical Hoplite
Cohors Reformata
Machimoi
Camillan Triarii
Equites Consulares
Spartiates
Makedonian Hypaspistai
" " Hetaroi
The KH Greater General
" " Early General's Guard
Well, nobody would like to live with a sword in his gut. I disagree about the two hitpoint system too. And they weren't on drugs...
Edit: Ok, let me rephrase my last claim: I haven't yet found a source claiming they were on drugs, except another person on some other forum. And of the Celtic books I've looked through none mention gaesatae high on drugs..
i dislike dislike,dislike dislike and Comate Comate Comate the rest is superb
i dislike Komatai Thorakitai, Stratiotai Getikoi Stratiotai ,Pantodapoi
The purpose of this thread is for people who have nothing to do with creating the (free) mod to single out the work of artists who have worked long and hard on their own proverbial dime and time to create the units for those same people to enjoy. This thread's mere existence is repugnant in my opinion and I'm actually embarassed that it has been allowed (and that I as one of the moderators have allowed it) to continue for as long as it has. I personally apologize to our unit artists for not closing it down sooner, but better late than never.