Can't figure out which to buy

Medieval 2. or CoD4.


I've always been a big total war fan and I've bought every single one the day they came out except for barbarian invasion and the mtw 2 games

and the same goes for CoD4 I've bought every single CoD game the day they came out excluding CoD4

I ran out of money for those

But MTW2 has more variety and the assassination videos while CoD4 has a bigger multilayer database....



What ever i buy is going to be either from target or steam if i want it right away from steam but if i feel like waiting till tomorrow target


or maybe i should skip both games and go for something different like the expansions to Oblivion.... OHHH NOES WHAT'D I DO!!!!!

If I had to choose between the two, Medieval 2: Total War. You'll get a lot more play time out of it. CoD4 is virtually the same as CoD2, and you can breeze through the single player campaign in 4 to 6 hours. Multiplayer isn't really that great anyway.

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I don't know CoD but I don't recommend MiNo (Medieval in Name Only). It's been a Total Disappointment for me. :no:
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I never played CoD so can't say much about that.
As for M2TW, you probably can get quite a bit of time out of it if you mod stuff or play using mods, or even PBM, but for all its worth, its an unfinished game and will stay that way.
Several somewhat gamebreaking bugs and ridiculous AI, even if you try to mod it to be a tiny bit better.

Sorry if this didn't help a lot, but someone with knowledge of CoD can certainly give you some background on that to help you.

I'd recommend skipping both and buying World in Conflict or something of that nature, but out of the two I would take Medieval. Combined with the patches and some mods it is quite bearable, and even just patched it isn't terribly bad.

The man above me speaks truth - screw both of them, get World in Conflict!

Never before has such a truly brilliant game been released. Epic takes on a whole new dimension.

The SP campaign is rather short, but it is truly magnificent. And MP will keep you playing for a long time after.

Already own WiC

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Already own WiC

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And you WANT another game????

It depends on what you want. If you want a modern shooter-up, I'd suggest that you get Ghost Recon. Modern weapons, cheaper price. Same experience, I don't know.

Well, if you're already bored of WiC, then you strike me as someone who plows through games quick. You're gonna be wanting some sort of game that can keep you occupied for a long time.

Anyone got any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar

Anyone got any ideas?

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HOI2. 'Nuff said.

Both have horrible MP. SP in CoD4 isn't worth the money(too short) and SP in MTW2 is just crap.

Save your money.. buy something else?

well i blew threw WiC but computer doesnt like updating games to much sooooo i couldnt update and i already own both Company of Heroes and i reallu want a history game but then i also want modern at the same time

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

HOI2. 'Nuff said.

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Whats HOI2?

Hearts of Iron 2

I would also like to recommend HOI2. Check out the Mead Hall for the Eureka! thread, a HOI2 AAR about Australia. It is a game which can constantly be replayed.

If its timeline doesn't appeal, or you want better graphics, try Europa Universali III, which has awesome 3-D graphics and spans from 1453 to 1820 (With expansion)
Try Victoria for 1820 - 1935.
Crusader Kings for 800 - ???
HOI for 1935 - 1953.

All interesting and will appeal if you like deep staregy games, with a deep pit in history.

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If its timeline doesn't appeal, or you want better graphics, try Europa Universali III, which has awesome 3-D graphics

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No offense, and I'm a hardcore Paradox fan who's willing to give them a lot of space, but EUIII's "3D" graphics suck.

It's still a board game no matter how you look at it, just a bit shinier than its predecessors.

I tihk BB means the graphics are easier to the ye, thats for me anyways.

I don't think the graphics in Paradox games really matter. They don't look bad, and graphics aren't really a major factor for their genre.

I went and got cod4 because it came with a free headset and its the only game target had on its shelf that wasnt my little pony or the like

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Originally Posted by Jkarinen

I went and got cod4 because it came with a free headset and its the only game target had on its shelf that wasnt my little pony or the like

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Good move. I just got COD 4 for Christmas and finished the first act on hardened (played a good amount of time).

Looks like I'm the only one here who will give a positive review. I was going to recommend you buy it, but looks like you already did.

FYI, I have it for the 360, so I'm not sure if it differs on the PC.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

HOI2. 'Nuff said.

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Too bad that Paradox interactive couldn't make a decent game to save their fracking lives.

Serioulsy DON'T ever buy one of their games they're horrible!!!!

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Originally Posted by lars573

Too bad that Paradox interactive couldn't make a decent game to save their fracking lives.

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:inquisitive:

Granted, the learning curve is a bit steep, but I haven't really heard anyone speak that way about Paradox except for the usual "OMG Xbox L1v FPS R0x0r$" crowd. I've always seen them as making excellent, very moddable, high quality games with excellent community and patch support. They've always been my idea of what a gaming company should be. Perhaps you could explain?


EDIT: By the way Jkarinen, have you tried the Hitman series? I don't like the first one (just went on the Internet to get the storyline), but the Blood Money and Hitman 2: Silent Assassin are works of art. Freedom Fighters, which I think is by the same company, also is a great game. Rather short, but it's cheap now, so it might be worth it.

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Granted, the learning curve is a bit steep, but I haven't really heard anyone speak that way about Paradox except for the usual "OMG Xbox L1v FPS R0x0r$" crowd. I've always seen them as making excellent, very moddable, high quality games with excellent community and patch support. They've always been my idea of what a gaming company should be. Perhaps you could explain?

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I'm willing to hate them for defaulting the HOI2 AI aggressiveness to 'weakling' and not letting you change that ingame; ruined my USA campaign (got to 1940, having triggered a coup in Russia and Germany, leaving the Comiten on 0 victory points and the Axis on 12 without declaring war on anybody - where's the challenge in that :wall:)

But they are great games, if you're willing to invest the time needed to get anywhere ~:)

It usually takes me a few hours to get 10 years in EUIII, is that just me?

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Originally Posted by Warluster

It usually takes me a few hours to get 10 years in EUIII, is that just me?

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Nope ~:)

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

By the way Jkarinen, have you tried the Hitman series? I don't like the first one (just went on the Internet to get the storyline), but the Blood Money and Hitman 2: Silent Assassin are works of art. Freedom Fighters, which I think is by the same company, also is a great game. Rather short, but it's cheap now, so it might be worth it.

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Actually own them all... well not the hitman just borrowing that from a freind. But I'm going to look into HOI2 and EUIII i know i wanted to get them earlier this year but couldn't find a store that sold them. But your guys are right CoD4 isnt that long got it at 11:00 this morning and am already level 25 in multiplayer and have beaten campaign on regular already.. I was like WTF... maybe i could still get my money back....

Already played Bioshock? Not as great as I hoped it would be but still a great game. Freedom Fighters is indeed great as well, so is rogue Trooper, bit like Gears but better.

M2TW certainly has great replayability value, more than that of COD4's replayability value. The only thing that I liked about Bioshock was storyline, the rest of the gameplay features aren't that special IMHO. But I recommend you buy Call of Duty 4, if you're planning on playing it live (or online if you're purchasing it on PC), than that's even a better reason you should consider buying it over M2TW.

Yes my clan has moved from MOHAA and split into to factions the OG's(me and anyone there for more than 3 years) and the new guys(all the cod4 players)

But CoD4 was not the best of games i thought it would take longer to level up and there would be more variety in the weapons you could have in your custom class... Makes me sad to believe i wasted 45$

Team Fortress 2.

'Nuff said.

Team Fortress was the only game I LOVED in the Orange Box.

You guys wanna hear something crazy... My mom mailed me my presents so they just got here today, a little bit ago infact.. but she knows im really into history and historical games... the game she sent me is EUIII, appearently my cousin recomended it and said that i would like it if i like historical games crazy huh..

Any ways can some one give me a website with a noobies guide? to you know becoming teh ultimate power

With your first Paradox game I would recommend doing the tutorial. They're very helpful.


Also, Battlefield 2 has really fun multiplayer with a great ranking system, if you want to try that for multiplayer.

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Originally Posted by Jkarinen

You guys wanna hear something crazy... My mom mailed me my presents so they just got here today, a little bit ago infact.. but she knows im really into history and historical games... the game she sent me is EUIII, appearently my cousin recomended it and said that i would like it if i like historical games crazy huh..

Any ways can some one give me a website with a noobies guide? to you know becoming teh ultimate power

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You learn a lot just from playing around with the game and losing a few times (~:)) but this site is quite useful for specific questions, once you begin to have them :yes:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?

Forums if you have questions that aren't on sapi's wiki page, but the tutorial is probably best.

Just ordered EUIII hopefully it's worth it.

I'd say it's definately worth it. :yes: Learning curve can be a bit steep as Sapi mentioned. This can be fixed by playing one of the bigger countries (France, Castille, etc.) which are very forgiving. I refused and played only 1-2 province countries until I got the hang of things. My early failures are somewhere in the offical forum's AAR section. I stuck them all in one thread. :clown:

Amusingly, although they take extremely different approaches to the genre they're in, both EU3 and MTW2 share a common problem. Too many single unit armies. Although, at least in EU3, they're usually actually trying to meet up with other forces somewhere. I'm not so sure about the ones in TW games... ~;)

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Just ordered EUIII hopefully it's worth it.

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Medieval 2, more replay value.

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I'd say it's definately worth it. :yes: Learning curve can be a bit steep as Sapi mentioned. This can be fixed by playing one of the bigger countries (France, Castille, etc.) which are very forgiving. I refused and played only 1-2 province countries until I got the hang of things. My early failures are somewhere in the offical forum's AAR section. I stuck them all in one thread. :clown:

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He has played Hearts of Iron II, so I don't think he'll be too far back on the learning curve.

My problem with EUIII is an isolated case, really. I've taken Normandy and all of the French colonies as England, my warscore is somehow only +4 (:inquisitive:), and the French King won't accept me giving him 100 ducats as a peace offering.

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Going to scour(not sure if thats how its spelled, supposed to sound like scower) the stores for Medieval 2 tomorrow but i might get side tracked by another I've been wanting(the list is to long to name off)

If most of their territories in Europe are still under French control, your war score will still be pretty low. Especially if they have an army sitting around somewhere.

The problem I tend to run into is that I take all of a faction's European territories, but get a low war score because they have some colonies and an army in Southeast Asia somewhere where I haven't explored. :sweatdrop:

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He has played Hearts of Iron II, so I don't think he'll be too far back on the learning curve.

My problem with EUIII is an isolated case, really. I've taken Normandy and all of the French colonies as England, my warscore is somehow only +4 (:inquisitive:), and the French King won't accept me giving him 100 ducats as a peace offering.

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I've played quite a few Paradox games(EUII, Vicky, HoI2) So I don't think it'll be hard for me to figure out.

I'll be going home next Friday and my game should be in by then. What nation do you think I should play first?

If you're worried about having trouble playing it the first time, large nations like France and Castille are by far the most forgiving, and allow you to play around with trade, colonization, etc. That's the advice I was given when I started playing (EU3 is my first Paradox game).

If you're like me and think they'll be too easy, or if experience with other Paradox games will make it easier for you, I'd say a small but fairly decent European power offers more of a challenge and just as much opportunity.

Portugal is fun, and still kind of large without being a major. Venice is a favorite of mine, and Mecklenburg in northern Germany is small but obscenely rich. Sicily is fun. Sicily is great, but starts in a personal union under Aragon, meaning you have to wait for the first Aragonese king to die to do much.

What are you looking for in a first faction?

I was thinking Brandenburg as my first game or maybe Sweden or something. I'll probably go with Brandenburg because they're one of my favorites.

What are the improvements compared to EUII?

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I was thinking Brandenburg as my first game or maybe Sweden or something. I'll probably go with Brandenburg because they're one of my favorites.

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Brandenburg's good, had a nice campaign as them (though I did find out that unified Germany is obscenely weak, with next to no economic base ~:()

CoD1-3 are pretty easy i beat the 2nd in likke 3 hours, but the 1st took about a week, stuck on the last mission:bomb2: i would get mtw2:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

Hold out for GTA IV. That's my plan. I've been pouring every red cent I can get my grubby little paws on into a reservation at GameStop.

Well it doesn't work. Pixel shader 2.0 damn you!!!

spartanglory, i did not know GTA IV is out yet?

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Well it doesn't work. Pixel shader 2.0 damn you!!!

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Ha! That's really funny and very sad at the same time, also. It brings me back memories of my old computer that really should have burned.

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Originally Posted by Caeser The III

spartanglory, i did not know GTA IV is out yet?

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Well, the game is supposed to come out in March unless there's something wrong with the PS3 version which will further delay the enjoyment of the game for the people with a 360 like me.:no:

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Originally Posted by Caeser The III

spartanglory, i did not know GTA IV is out yet?

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It releases in April,last I checked. But I always strive for the most benefit -- I'm buying the $100 collector's edition!

Well luckily my stepmom just got a new computer for Christmas so I'm able to play EU3 on that.