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Hi! I was wondering if there where 3 more empty faction slots, which factions would you prefer to see? I know it's impossible, but what factions do you miss the most? Just wondering how other people think...
For me i really miss Pergamon, an Numidian Kingdom, and perhaps another gallic or germanic tribe... for instance the Belgae or Galatians seem very strong...
Just say your mind people:2thumbsup:
I miss the Mauryan empier :(
Prnce
Bartix or Atlantis:clown:
If not then Irish tribe sounds fun
right there with beefy: an irish tribe would really spice things up in britain. for my other 2 id have one in between sweboz and getai to balance them out, and for the last...probably numidia or some other north african faction.
Frankly, I don't miss any faction. Surely, a faction to counter the Swébôz or the Casse would be fun but I can't see any kingdom/empire/tribe/faction in that region that would be fair to include.
Aliens, leprechauns and the CIA.
I'm kind of partial to Isengard and Mordor myself. I really miss these...aahh crap...wrong forum. :clown:
Jefferson State, Kalakuta Republic, Principality of Sealand.
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Originally Posted by blank
The European Union
India, Illyria, China
Numidia , the boii , the Crimean Scythican's .
I would like to see the Smurfii. Their woad covered miniture warshih-zhus are a terrifying sight to behold.
A mech warrior faction
TEXAS
Yea! State of Jefferson. Then there would be a faction I could be nationalist about!Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksnail
Not being a yank, what is Jefferson state?
my guess would be its one of the states...and its called jefferson, or thats the major city within a state. am i right?
Jefferson is a mostly rural area of Southern Oregon and Northern California in the United States. Several times during the 19th and 20th centuries there have been attempts to establish the area as a separate state. This region on the Pacific Coast is the most famous of several that have sought to adopt the name of Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States; the name was proposed in the 19th century for Jefferson Territory, as well as in 1915 in a bill in the Texas legislature for a proposed state that would be created from the Texas Panhandle region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horst Nordfink
According to wikipedia.. I'm not a yank myself so this might be completely wrong . :p
Or it's a Community College.. Who's to say
the vietcong
i know Caesar saw them once that was the moment he said those famous words Veni Vidi VC!!!
but they never fought any battle till the 20 century think that they were to busy with there tunnel systems
1/4
I do want a new shogun!
NOW! ~:mad
A faction that would be bigger then a size of a city.
As "M to the A" said, its a state that doesn't exist. When someone talks about California, they are really talking about LA and Oregon is entirely run from about three cities in the far northwest, so southern Oregon (where I am) and northern California want to join together and be their own state. Believe it or not, there are people living in that forgotten area between San Francisco,CA and Portland,OR/Seattle,WA. [/RANT]Quote:
Originally Posted by Horst Nordfink
The Boii, perfect to balance out Sweboz Getai and the two gauls
I believe they're already represented in the form of Eleutheroi. Preciously few factions/kingdoms/empires, other than those already in the game, conquered any larger areas and mostly remained like city-states. Not all factions in the game were united "factions", like the Koinon Hellenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaivs
Vanilla Thrace, Scythia, and New Kingdom of Egypt.
I miss Numidia; Carthage needs something to balance things out in Africa. A scripted defender of Numidia would be good, and we know that's possible.
That's about it. Notice that a lot of answers are based on gameplay rather than nationalism? Nice, isn't it?
i miss the rabid War Dogs.
i Miss the swines....bring back the pigs to EB in historically and anatomically correct skins=p give Hogs of War to EB=))))))
No the dogs and the piggys are way over powered. If they come back on EB members would have to reintroduced the screeching women and the canon elephants and a bartix stick warriors to balance it out :no:
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Dump the worthless Casse to create a shadow faction [for rome]. The Casse are interesting, and I by no means wish to in any form degrade the work that has gone into them, but with the RTW engine I feel that they're a misplaced decision on the balance between gameplay and history.
all the EB factions, especially Baktria!
i miss EB already....... my computer is down and i dont know if it will work again...... ~:mecry:
Dump the romans, and create a shadow faction for Pontus, just in case anyone ever feels bored....
Except that the Romans were hardly the only ones to suffer a civil war. In fact, they were remarkably stable until Sulla, and their civil wars don't seem to have impeded their expansion that much. Unlike, for example, the successor kingdoms, who had major internal loyalty problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazius
1. A Helleno-Skythian faction in the Crimea. Hoplites and horse archers, plus unique Bosphorian archers, with potential opposition including the Sauromatate, Getai, Pontos, Armenia, Galatians, and the Daidochi. A unique military with a mix of several different military machines to fight. Supremely interesting gameplay that's different from everything else in EB.
2. Syracuse. Classical Greek military between Carthage and Rome, giving them a different mix of opposition from the other Greeks. Starting position is thoroughly viable for a player faction, and they usually outlast Pontos as an AI faction.
3. Massilia. Helleno-Celtic military between Gauls and Romans. Again, would bring gameplay that does not currently exist in EB.
Not Pergamon, who are basically the same as the KH (hoplites fighting Daidochi) and add little to EB.
I would agree with dumping the Casse. They are fairly pointless. Syracuse would be much more fun to play, or Galatians.
give all northern parts to eleutheroi. As everyone knows they are unimportant and just sat around and be destroyed by the Romans.:yes:
There may be people living here, but it's darn hard to find a job sometimes, even with a college degree. :clown:
I live in Josephine County. :yes:
As to the OP, I think it would be neat to have Syracuse in the game, maybe Galatia. THis period of history i not my strongest, though, so I can't say if they or any other factions should be in (assuming more faction slots magically appeared) or not.
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Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus
The factions that were released with EB 1.0 are permanent members of EB1 and will not be removed. This is not to say that a minimod couldn't do it, but what you see is what you get for EB1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazius
Beyond this I believe shadow factions require RTW-BI as a base, which we do not support. EB1 is designed for RTW 1.5.
Funny you should mention that! We plan to do that for EB2. Our new tagline is "Quisque est barbarus nordo alpo," which is roughly "Everyone north of the Alps is a barbarian." This let us consolidate all those Arverni, Aedui, Getai, and Sweboz regions into a single giant province with its capital set to Arse, but to make it really difficult to take we made its defenders a full stack of 3 gold chevron, gold sword, gold armor gestatae.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyar Son
With the surplus of slots now available, we are also splitting Epeiros and Koinon Hellenon into 15 unique factions to better represent the disparate state of Greek politics in 272 BC. This is because the Europa Barbarorum development team hopes to more accurately represent the Greek world which we have always felt was far and above the most important influence upon Antiquity. To avoid brand confusion between EB1 and EB2 we are considering renaming the new mod to "EH," short for "Europa Hellenorum."
I would like to see
Irish Tribal Faction, One more Independent German Tribe (like Gaul has two major tribes), and Indian faction ( which can be located more east than Saka):laugh4:
Even worse. Give all Greek parts to eleutheroi as everyone knows they are unimportant and just sat around and be destroyed by the Romans.:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksnail
All barbarian, Greek, Carthaginian, and some of the Eastern factions should be changed to Eleutheroi because they were conquered by the Romans. And with those pointless countries removed we could then make every Roman city into a separate faction :yes: :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyar Son
Remove the Lusotani and add the Bastarnae, a mix of Sarmatian, Germanic and Celtic cultures.
The Lusotani were just an Iberian tribe (or group of tribes?) that eventually were conquered by the Romans and quite throughly Romanized.
Mauryan Empire of course
Norway, Iceland and the Sami.
Pergamon, Herakleia Pontika, Kappadokia.
Obsessed with Asia Minor, me? No way!!!:laugh4:
Okay, so what about Pergamon, the Bosporan kingdom, and the Northern League (led by Herakleia Pontika and Byzantion), plus dump the Koinon Hellenon and replace them with just Rhodes. Dumping a faction that rarely ammounts to much in the game, such as the Casse, could also make way for Syracuse. Obviously, you'd need to remove a province (isn't Gotland a one-island province that never gets conquere dby the AI?) to make way for Herakleia Pontika and her territory, and you'd need to cut Pontos off from the sea at game start (unless they already held Amisos? when did they gain this city?).
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plus dump the Koinon Hellenon and replace them with just Rhodes.
Why? the existence of the Chremonidean League is questionable in 272BCE, and in any case it didn't last much more than a decade...Athenian power was definately ended by the defeat, Sparta was dormant for a generation between the death of Akrotatos and the reforms of Agis, but Rhodes remained untouched by, a major naval power and a major trading centre. Rhodes remained important throughout a large part of the period covered, the Chremonidean League didn't. The Northern League would be a much better choice for a league of Greek poleis banding together to defend their freedom, something the Euxinean poleis managed to do with some success, unlike Athens and Sparta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
You are right, of course, about the existence of the Chremonidean league, I believe he issued his decree in 265 BC.
But the same goes for the Satrapies of Baktria and Parthia. People like me like to play with such factions, and 272 was the most balanced date the EB team could pick, even if it doesn't allow historic accuracy. Nor is it historically accurate that Baktria conquered the old Seleukid Empire or that Pyrrhos destroyed the Romans.
Games like EB aren't all about doing everything historical. It's about playing a game, altering world history in a historically accurate way.
Oh, I agree with you. But why would Pergamon or the Northern poleis be less fun than the KH we have now?
Like someone alse said Pergamon would be pretty much like KH. So I doubt that would be a option
Bosphorian how ever would be a nice edition to avoid the sweboz moving east so that would be awesome (Bartix would do fine as well :clown: )
I kinda got the idea of Europa barbarorum the west. Focusing more on the west with more nake barbarians while Rome and Carthage possibly with KH and Mak fighting for power in the meditteranian. Everything on east of Byzantium didnt do much anyways. :beam:
personally i miss the bosphorian kingdom, pergamom and syracuse.
i'm just to big a fan of hellenic factions :2thumbsup: . imagine the attalids marching down to antioch or the syracusians to rome... sweet stuff.
all factions included now are fine by me, even the casse, though if they really were to drop some -hypothetically, it'd be the casse...
I miss the Numidians from RTW and RTR, they were a very intersting tough faction, and gave pain to the Kartis.
They're on my wish list along with an Indian faction (Mauryan Western Governors faction? Sooo sexy) but neither has a great claim ahead of ther many other excellent proposed factions above.
Its is absolutely appropriate that they were dropped, I understand all the balance/realism arguments, but they are the ones I miss.
Its a good point that the scripted Alpine rebs work a treat, so Numidia might be represented the same way (or are they in there already?). I have a sneaking suspicion you could drop Saba for scripted rebs from 99% of players games and no-one would notice for years.
3 more slots? I guess another German/Celtic faction recomends itself first and foremost: its not my favourite area but I can see the sense of it. The map is crying out for it. For balance you might want to make them an eastern or even alpine faction, and swap the Sweboz for a faction a little further west or north (Cimbri? Chatti?).
Skythians or Bosphorans also have a claim as an intermittently active force. They'd offset a Bastarnae faction, but with such a glut in the northern Balkans the heat would be on the Getai to make it through to their historic end date.
The voyeur in me wants to see some more greek states split out of the silver death, but 1 city factions in the mosh pit of Aegean death would add only brief interest. Maybe a second iberian faction, just to add a little chorizo to the western end of the map.
Or we could scap all non-Italian factions for scripted Eleutheroi and set up 20 or so allied Roman families each with a micro city outside Rome. Hot Hastati-on-Hastati action.
No, not the Numidians, the faction that would be interesting to play against are the Huns, Indian, and some Arabians to counter the Saba
You need someone to counter the Saba? I'd say they have those already, look to the west and north...
I didn't think the huns were around in 272 BC :book:
I would have the Cantabrian Iberians, as four factions in Iberia with Medieval Total War was very interesting, either this or abolish the two Aedui and Arverni, and divide Gaul in partes tres.
Though it would create a violent and strange war, I think having a Thracian faction could be interesting, or a theoretical Hellenic League encompassing Massalia, Syracuse, Chersonesos and Byzantion.. by god that would be a challenge, but a true trading empire.
As an aside, Sassem, it is a terrible mistake to pronounce, "Vici" as vee-see, though you may defend yourself with the rebuttal that it was relevant to your jest.. However this borders on the unforgivable! Simply imagine pronouncing, "Victory", as, "Vistory".
Curse the Hundred Years War!
Numidians, Boii, and the yuezhi.
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So like, some poor bastards stuck between thrace and sarmatia? Sounds like living hell. You are a sick... sick person.
And if Northern Cali wants to seperate from LA, take central cali with you please. Sacramento and just.. everything north of san luis. Its generally just LA nobody wants to deal with... although I have my gripes with SF too. Just... give them[LA] to Mexico.
Just to add my opinion;
Numidia: interesting and offset the Kartis
Boii: adds more carnage to Europe. or
Galatia: just for fun.:yes:
Another British/germanic tribe could be interesting as well. Pergamom would be good but too similar to other Hellenic factions. Massilia would be interesting as well but they never did anything in real life.
I see KH criticized a lot, but I think they're important to the game. They represent the very last breath of classical Greece, the very end. One of the main things that makes EB so fun is the ability to re-write history. I would argue that, with the political structure of the poleis, the Greeks loss of independence in this era would be inevitable. So many centralized powers against it, added to the endless internal conflicts, was an insurmountable obstacle.
But this scenario of rebuilding Greece proper in all it's glory and influences and beyond is simply too attractive to ignore.
Generally, I'm against anything blatantly ahistorical in EB (except expansion by the player), but it's only four years off. Surely getting the timing right for every important faction is impossible. Its about as close an approximation as you can get.
If I could add only one faction to the game, I'd really want an Irish faction, but I doubt there is anything to really justify it. Then again, I really don't know that much about Irish history, particularly not in this period.
Numidians!!!
And also Illyrians, Boii, eventually India
My choices:
- An indian faction would be an interesting interesting change
- Thrakia? Don't know much about Thrace in this period but they were divided in tribes AFAIK, so one of the thracian tribes would be good... a bit too many factions in that area however :P
- Helvetii, they already have a nice list of regional units
Honorable mentions: Galatia; another germanic tribe (but it would be too similar to the sweboz i fear); a greek city somewhere else (like Syracuse or Massalia)
give LA to Mexico? I thought we already did that, look around you the next time you walk around LA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agathyrsus
Maybe a faction from north eastern europe. I dont know much about the germanic tribes in this area, but maybe there some guys who know about one.
Would be nice, because there is a lot of nothing between the sweboz in the west and the sauromatae in the east.
And how is that different from half the factions in the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calypze
what do you mean by jefferson state, there is no jefferson state in all of the united states, there is not even a state close to that name.:wall:
The factions I miss the most are
1) Syracusans: firstly, because it would give the Western Greeks the ability to play an active part in the game (in case Carthage & Rome went at each other so quickly as to give them room to expand), and it would diversify the war between those 2 states. Also I think it's historically correct, since both Dionysius & Agathocles had made rather large Syracusan empires before. Even though none were made after 270 BC, I don't think it's unlikely to assume, that had Rome & Carthage exhausted each other to a point, where none of them were capable of ruling the western Mediteranean, and had they done so WITHOUT weakening Syracuse, there is no reason why a strong Syracusan tyrant shouldn't have created a new empire in Sicily & Southern Italy.
2) Pergamese. I don't think they existed as an actual faction (rather than a mere obstacle to other factions) around 270, but they became very important later on. Should they be in the game, they shouldn't be playable and they shouldn't be on the map at the beginning. Like fx the Swiss in Medieval Total War 1, they should rather appear out of nowhere around the date of their actual emergence as an important faction, IN CASE nobody has been able to grasp a firm hold of the Pergamese province until that time (if the province is the centre of a Pontian or Greek empire, their appearance wouldn't make sense :yes: )
3) well, I can't choose. EITHER an Indian faction, so that part of the map isn't just empty (an Indian faction would reveal the fact, that these provinces weren't just up for grabs for any half-decent captain, but that there actually was a state to deal with, if you wanted to extend in that direction).
OR a Numidian OR Mauretanian faction (Numidians should, like Pergamese, not appear at the start of the game, but rather appear at a later date, unless Carthage or Rome are capable of holding a firm grasp of the area). The reason for this is already stated: Carthage is too alone in North Africa, the land is too empty of any real resistance towards them. The addition of Syracusans would of course weaken Carthage a bit, but if they chose to abandon their wars for Sicily & Italy, they still have the ability to quickly carve out quiet a kingdom without any real opposition unless there was another North African faction to deal with (one that would carve out its own African empire, dangerous to Carthage, if Carthage ignored them & just concentrated on Rome/Syracuse:yes: )
Not yet, there isn't. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by caeser44
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_State)
Hey everyone!
Here's to seeing if a Stupid Yank can hold his own here eh? (P.S. sorry about ~70% of my countrymen...bloody embarassing...*goes on rant about declining U.S. and rising E.U.*... congratulations to all the Europeans btw, it's about time you guys got some attention from the U.S. peasants)
Anyway, to business.
1- Keep Baktria ideally, I have been Baktrion Hellenon by blood all my life...and we need love too.
2-Syracusai might be cool...but I don't know much about them (in particular... aside from other Hellenes)
3- Most importantly: I would think that there would be some sort of Italic faction, no? As a Samnito-Vestini (i'm just full of under-represented ethnicities:laugh4: ), I am very proud that the injustice that was Vanilla's POS "Samnite Mercenary in Neon Green Tunics"tm was replaced with a handful of historically sound Samnitici...but there are several Italics that hadn't given up yet if I am not mistaken...I know that the majority of the Etruscans were already beaten by Roma...but (other than the already included Celts, Samnites, Lucanians, and Greeks,) There were as follows:
The Vestini- Spartan Exiles in Abruzzo, kept agoge and king-led military, added Latin and Republicanism, the most resilient of the Sabines (Greek oucasts/colonists who adopted Italian culture)
Samnitici- Obvious
Umbrianos- Semi-barbaric religious fanatics... what's not to love?:beam:
I'm sure that there are others...but unfortunately I don't know every Italic tribe around in 272BC :book: fighting a war has kept me quite busy :wall:
These Italic tribes shouldn't be represented individually of course, but I think they would make a nice addition, and one should keep in mind that they almost won their wars with the Romani, and that they would not be pleased to see them expand further.
P.S. to any EB guys, wasn't Phyrrus aiding the Etruscans in Italy (or at least wasn't that his excuse?)
In my humble opinion...the Italics might add a breath of fresh air to the Hellenic/ Romani/ Barbarian/ Carthaginian deal.
I am so sorry to take up so much room w/ my post, but I do think this is a useful addition that no one has brought up.
Semper Fi,
Don
My number one choice, a Bosphoran faction for sure. I hate having to migrate or conquer my way all the way over to Crimea in order to use those amazing archers. Plus the options of an army could be amazing. Hellenic/sarmatian, Hellenic/Germanic, Germanic/Sarmation, if you add Thracian units into the mix it could call for an army as diverse as Baktria or Rome, if not more.
Secondly, an Irish faction. I love the British barbarian era, but Britain is just so easy to conquer without any competition on the isles. If one were to spice it up a little with a Caledonian or Irish faction things would be much more interesting.
The north just seems much too empty to ignore these options.
Finally, a Numidian/Mauryan faction would be nice. I can't really decide which because the East is extremely full and the Indian faction may just be gobbled up by Baktria or Seleukia as in many of my campaigns they seem to focus on the Indian rebel states before tearing up the rest of the East if they're not being massacred by the steppe peoples or the Ptolemies. However, an Indian faction with a Buddhist/Hindu, whichever seems more appropriate, religion would surely add to the cultural diversity and make things a bit interesting.
Numidia would be better for game play values because I see Carthage swallow up all of Western Europe if the Romans can't manage to keep them on their toes. Rome is really their only threat, the Lusitania's can't be expected to fend them off for long and by the time Carthage holds Africa, Spain and the Italian peninsula, it's become another super nation like Seleukia and the Ptolemies. If you're going to add an Indian faction instead, I guess my only suggestion is try having scripted rebels in Africa, or try adding more tension between Carthage and the Ptolemies.
As for the other suggestions, the lands around the Aegean are already full of competition with Maks, Greeks, Romans, Seleukids, Ptolemies, Pontus and any other I forget to mention, I see no need for more action in this region. Gaul is pretty chaotic with the two Gallic factions warring it out with eachother so I don't think that would be necessary. MAYBE a far northern faction but I think a Bosphoran faction could equalize the power so I'm not sure if that would be necessary. The far East is crazy enough as I already mentioned. Spain might use a little more action but I really don't care much for the region so that's up for debate I suppose.
And if Sab'yn is made into scripted rebels I'ma call Chuck Norris and Samuel Jackson on yo ass. D< They're one of my favorite factions.
I think we can safely say that we have no desire to get rid of any of our current EB1 factions.
to be honest, the amount of work and detail that's gone into each faction certainly suggests they are worth keeping. if only there were a way to keep adding factions, until every eleutheroi city were a new faction.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
1) Numidians
2) A third Barbarian tribe, ether Gallic or Germanic, in northeast
Gaul/Belgium region.
3) Someone between the Getai, Sauromatae, and Swebos
And if there are more faction slots and province slots, Yuezhi, then India, then Hun, then China.