Lack of Information

The game is supposedly coming out in March, (20 something) from everything I've read. I have heard it is on schedule, and since they have a history of hitting release dates I see no idea why they wouldn't hit this one.

So why does it seem like there is so little information on this total war then there was about Medieval? It is getting close two months away from release and we have few pictures, no videos, and the webpage barely even has a empire total war section.

I don't know maybe come Feburary they have a revamped Empire Total War lying in wait, but as if right now I mostly feel as if there is nothing to really see or discuss on Empire. Maybe I'm only one feeling this way though.

According to Wikipedia and Gamespot, the release date is still TBA, but is sometime in 2008. I really don't think it's in March - we haven't even seen any land battle screenshots yet.

When a release date is announced, I will hunt for more information. Once it is announced, this forum at least will become a lot busier, as did the Med 2 one.

I dont think they can release in march, no demo and faction previews yet.

Yeah March is too soon, I think in a thread some where on here quoting an article, they stated that the game was only 25% done, and this was only in Oct-Dec.

Oh it'll be the fall season of October, its always October..........but it sure would be an unexpected and very very pleasant surprise if it gets released in March. :jumping: :bounce:

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The game is supposedly coming out in March, (20 something) from everything I've read.

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Empire is NOT, repeat NOT coming out in March, the March release date posted in Total PC Gaming magazine is not correct, we are not even sure how they came to that conclusion, and the game is not 75% complete either. We have not given a release dater yet, but it won't be for a while. That's why there isn't much info out yet, but believe me there will be a lot of info between now and release.

Anyone expecting it to be released before 2009 is dreaming.

I hope it isn't rushed, a bug-free ETW for next Christmas would do me fine.

Bugs? Have you ever seen a bug in any TW serie? They are always bug free mate. People confuse bugs and features and that is the problem. What you think as bugs are features in fact. TW series have always been bug free and they will remain being so.

pevergreen points to the fact that each game has been patched. Joking taken in stride.

Yes patching deals with 50% of the "features". 50% remains there forever. And you know how many new features we have there. Tens of! :)

Well Jack summed it up for me. I read the Total Pc gaming mag. Which is where they said march.

That's rather sad though, as I was kind hoping for something to do with Empire total war between now and march besides wall papers, (VIdeos, faction preview, demo, what have you.) Guess now won't be anything till Oct.

O well. Guess I'll check back then.

Oh you'll get more than wallpapers between now and March.

Something to look forward to. Great.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Oh you'll get more than wallpapers between now and March.

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Ooooooooooooh :bounce:

Im holding that against you.

I'd rather they released a polished product by March 2010 than a rushed thing this year, but then again that's probably not going to happen :bow:

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Originally Posted by alpaca

I'd rather they released a polished product by March 2010 than a rushed thing this year, but then again that's probably not going to happen :bow:

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Originally Posted by alpaca

I'd rather they released a polished product by March 2010 than a rushed thing this year, but then again that's probably not going to happen :bow:

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Originally Posted by alpaca

I'd rather they released a polished product by March 2010 than a rushed thing this year, but then again that's probably not going to happen :bow:

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I'd rather they release it sooner than later, as it's not going to be polished anyways, and modders will have more time to work on it to make it a decent game.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

I'd rather they release it sooner than later, as it's not going to be polished anyways, and modders will have more time to work on it to make it a decent game.

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Imo the overall modding has declined with M2:TW compared with the modding effort put in RTW, probably because many modders felt frustrated about M2:TW not having any noticeable improvement ( like gameplay ) over RTW apart from graphics - so they left tw modding altogether. Even more can leave tw modding if Empire turns out pretty poor (gameplay wise). Of course new modders will come in, but ....

but.......you can't replace the old masters :clown: well, ETW is a new engine isn't it? Got to be way better than the past.

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Originally Posted by asj_india

Got to be way better than the past.

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Just like R:TW was supposed to be better than M:TW? Well, only time will tell.

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Well Jack summed it up for me. I read the Total Pc gaming mag. Which is where they said march.

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March 2009 might be a better guess.

You'd assume it'd be easy to put a flaw into a new game engine (accidentally, of course :wink2:). Still, there will always be M2TW.

Also, on that modding note: As long as a game is easily modified, it will last players for a very, very long time - thus developers don't have to rush out another game to keep players.... well, playing. For example, if one plays a video game for say over 5 months before he/she is bored, the player can grab a small mod that rebalances and adds to the game, extending replayability another 3 months before being bored again. By that time, a larger scale mod would've been released creating a new atmosphere to the game, allowing the player to immerse him/herself for another 4 months. And if the game is easily modified, an total conversion might've been produced, creating "almost" a new game, extending gameplay for another 5 months and, if well made, possibly longer. By that time a sequel would've been produced and published by the developers and thus the process repeats itself.

The least vicious cycle in life I know. ~:joker:

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Originally Posted by Roberts

Imo the overall modding has declined with M2:TW compared with the modding effort put in RTW, probably because many modders felt frustrated about M2:TW not having any noticeable improvement ( like gameplay ) over RTW apart from graphics - so they left tw modding altogether. Even more can leave tw modding if Empire turns out pretty poor (gameplay wise). Of course new modders will come in, but ....

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I strongly disagree with this, I have found stainless steel and Broken Cresent more enjoyable than any RTW mod I've played, including EB.

Yeah, I'd say BC is even more fun than EB, especially since the campaign AI can be modded better now, and the battle AI is rather better than RTW.

Of course, we'll have to see about EB2. :beam:

Well it's almost March and there's nothing new...:bigcry:

As Jack said: ITS NOT BEING RELEASED IN MARCH! :dizzy2: :help:
ok?

Anyway more info is being drip fed every month.
Think about all the things you dont know about Empire yet :inquisitive: and think how long that information will take to be released. :balloon2: Might give you an idea of when we are releasing? :idea2:
If it doesnt it will keep you busy until we do. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick

As Jack said: ITS NOT BEING RELEASED IN MARCH! :dizzy2: :help:
ok?

Anyway more info is being drip fed every month.
Think about all the things you dont know about Empire yet :inquisitive: and think how long that information will take to be released. :balloon2: Might give you an idea of when we are releasing? :idea2:
If it doesnt it will keep you busy until we do. :beam:

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December 2354 (basing things on typical SEGA/CA information policy) :yes:

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick

As Jack said: ITS NOT BEING RELEASED IN MARCH! :dizzy2: :help:
ok?

Anyway more info is being drip fed every month.
Think about all the things you dont know about Empire yet :inquisitive: and think how long that information will take to be released. :balloon2: Might give you an idea of when we are releasing? :idea2:
If it doesnt it will keep you busy until we do. :beam:

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Thanks Interpid.

Not sure how much clearer you guys can make this?
What's not to understand when one says TBA?

my2bob

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick

As Jack said: ITS NOT BEING RELEASED IN MARCH! :dizzy2: :help:
ok?

Anyway more info is being drip fed every month.
Think about all the things you dont know about Empire yet :inquisitive: and think how long that information will take to be released. :balloon2: Might give you an idea of when we are releasing? :idea2:
If it doesnt it will keep you busy until we do. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Jack

Oh you'll get more than wallpapers between now and March.

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Originally Posted by Me

Well it's almost March and there's nothing new...

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I assume your post was directed at me. k thx. I assumed there would be some new info this month, but I haven't noticed anything new.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Oh you'll get more than wallpapers between now and March.

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hmm, thats that out the window then, unless we get an update today :inquisitive:

Well I'd call the FAQs more than wallpapers.

What FAQs?? I can't see any.......where? where? ~:confused:

Edit 1 : Refreashing the tw blog and the tw.com page every one minute.......still nothing new.....
Edit 2 : All right, it's officially the 1st of March, 12:03 am here now, and I still can't see the FAQs..............dissapointing..... :(

well well, I hope there's a surprise tomorrow morning........

8 pm nearly on the first here :no:

I was referring to the FAQS we have been doing, but yes there will be a new one soon.

Oh right.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

But when??!! It already is March!

Patience, grasshopper. We might need to give it another week or two (even though I know you don't want to). ~;)

I love how new games are like crack to us!

Kyolic still can make me :laugh4: Your pessimism warms my heart.

Still though, TBA is pretty indicative. Nobody can predict how long it will take to make the game unless you are making the game, and even then do you ever really know? This is a new engine, it's not as easy as the conversion from RTW to M2TW, and let me say, that is a good thing! All the best to the dev team. As my friend willy tells us: "Wisely and slow, they stumble that run fast" ;)

A bone here and there will qualm the potential for TW fanatical anxiety-induced uni-bombings.

Unfortunately wallpapers and screen shots don't do it for me. I like stomach candy, not eye candy ;) Do you have some? No? Ah, FAQ me! Literally, do it. Hehehe. I'll stop talking now.

Take your time CA!

It is a little bit hypocritical of use here who tell you to take more time with developing your games to iron out bugs etc, and then hound you for a FAQ a few hours after the date set.

Not that I care for the tidbits that are released whenever, but I don't find that hypocritical at all. Releasing the game is completely separate from releasing screenies, FAQ and whatnot. You have to do that otherwise people will lose interest, and you want to maintain if not elevate that interest come the TBA release date. It's marketing.

On top of which if question marks are left over the game before it is released we are more likely to be unpleasantly surprised when it is released, because it is the good aspects of the game that are talked up. A classic example for practically any game is

Q: "How convenient will the game be for modding?"
A: "This will definitely be the most moddable game in the series, if not genre, we've made loads of improvements."
Q: "What are they?"
A: *runs away*

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Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

I was referring to the FAQS we have been doing, but yes there will be a new one soon.

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I realized now that you were talking about the FAQ from Jan. :wall:

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Originally Posted by Furious Mental

On top of which if question marks are left over the game before it is released we are more likely to be unpleasantly surprised when it is released, because it is the good aspects of the game that are talked up. A classic example for practically any game is

Q: "How convenient will the game be for modding?"
A: "This will definitely be the most moddable game in the series, if not genre, we've made loads of improvements."
Q: "What are they?"
A: *runs away*

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Oh you'll get answers to those questions closer to release. Atm all we can say is that it will be more moddable, we'll get into the specifics closer to release. We just can't answer them now due to the fact the game is still being made and things could change between now and release so if we gave specific info now, we might have to redo all the info closer to release. Patience, you will hear more about modding before Empire gets released.

And if they change things and people buy the game, they go "False marketing! Rawr!"

Then troll for a while, get tired, and fall asleep somewhere.

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Jack didn't say March 2008 you no0bz101 :end:
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How are they noobs for not knowing that? :daisy: :focus:

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Psst! Sarcasm. :listen:
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Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Oh you'll get answers to those questions closer to release. Atm all we can say is that it will be more moddable, we'll get into the specifics closer to release.

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Well the Kingdoms patch is close to release since it has been sent off to SEGA QA, but Creative Assembly will still not say what issues have an have not been addressed. They certainly know at this point what was fixed and what wasn't fixed. All Sensei will say is that as many issues as possible were addressed.

Based on the experience with CA's marketing of RTW and M2TW, CA does withhold information about the game which reduces people's ability to make an informed purchasing decision. I and many other players I know were unpleasantly surprised with RTW when we played it, and I read everything that CA posted about it prior to purchasing the game.

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Originally Posted by Puzz3D

Based on the experience with CA's marketing of RTW and M2TW, CA does withhold information about the game which reduces people's ability to make an informed purchasing decision.

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Everyone does that........I'm not saying that it is right or wrong, but the fact is, that any merchant who wishes to sell his ware will tell you all that is good, and forget to quote the nasty bits.....


btw, it is getting really very depressing, it sure seems the game might well be delayed till '09 end........ :(

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Originally Posted by asj_india

btw, it is getting really very depressing, it sure seems the game might well be delayed till '09 end........ :(

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I'd *much* rather prefer that, as opposed to the game being released too soon and being full of bugs. Not that anyone enjoys a game's release being pushed back, but often times that's the best thing for it. There's been too many PC titles rushed out the door before they were really ready....including both RTW & M2TW.

So again, I counsel patience. I know it's not easy to wait, but we want a game that's as complete as possible. In my experience, a game that's released sooner but requires massive patching is far, far worse than a game that takes an extra 6-12 months for fine-tuning. :yes:

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Originally Posted by asj_india

Everyone does that........I'm not saying that it is right or wrong, but the fact is, that any merchant who wishes to sell his ware will tell you all that is good, and forget to quote the nasty bits.....

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That's right, and everyone should be concerned that they are going to get burned by Empire Total War.

I'll have to buy a new computer to play ETW. You think I'm going to do that just because CA employees say the game is going to be good? Of course not because they have the NDA over them which prevents them from providing objective information, and the consequence is that you cannot make an informed purchasing decision until many months after the game is released when the problems become apparent. I waited on purchasing M2TW, and I sure am glad that I didn't buy it despite the claim that it was going to be a tactical extravaganza.

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Originally Posted by Martok

I know it's not easy to wait, but we want a game that's as complete as possible. In my experience, a game that's released sooner but requires massive patching is far, far worse than a game that takes an extra 6-12 months for fine-tuning. :yes:

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Massive patching is required anyway, even if CA releases it on 2010. And that massive patching won't solve problems 100%. Some bugs will remain there forever.

Because:

Some bits of the game are not under their control anymore since Rome. It is about huge cpu calculations + animations and CA is not able to synch those properly. Archer range bug for example. You get shot by enemy archers although you are out of range by yards because the animation has to be completed (lmao). MTW2 was released on 2006 and that is not still fixed since 2 years!!!!

Because: they do not know how to fix it. At least they do not know how to fix it without writing some several hundred thousand lines of codes.

A new engine needs to be coded from scratch. I doubt that will be done and even if it is done, I doubt they will succseed coding it in a bug free way. If doing that was not beyond their capacity, they would have done it before and make everyone shut up.

That archer range bug is only one example. A 90 florins cost peasant unit holds vs an 600 florins cost elite sword unit for 5 mins is an other example. Peasants use knives and that moves quicker than the swords. So in that sense they hold vs an elite cav or inf unit for several minutes. That means a BROKEN engine.

Those calculations + animations related bugs will be there forever. Game is simply broken since Rome. However majority of the SP peeps do not realise that and CA can sell millions of copies without any problems. You just pay for a faulty product.

There are some CA employees who read this forum and they post here. If one of them comes and proves me wrong I will apolagize. But that will not happen. None of them will answer to this post.

Oh most probably they can come and answer like this but: "You will never see any of those past INCORRECTABLE bugs in ETW".

Then I might answer like this: "You know how many times we heard that before? Honestly, how many times? 20? 30?........"

Oh btw please make ETW expansion 6 separated parts this time. That is a much better deal than 4 seprated parts of Kingdoms. Keeps it much more tighter. :laugh4:

They are building a new engine, the screenshots alone prove that.

M2:TW has not had 2 years of work put into it since release, that point is wrong. They release 2-3 patches and no more, moved on to the next project.

The longest ive ever seen a company stay with a product is Blizzard, a few weeks ago patch 1.21b came out for Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (an expansion pack), I wouldnt doubt it was around the 50th patch.

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A new engine needs to be coded from scratch. I doubt that will be done and even if it is done, I doubt they will succseed coding it in a bug free way. If doing that was not beyond their capacity, they would have done it before and make everyone shut up.

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Insulting their finished products is one thing, insulting their abilities is another. When you manage to code a game like M2TW, maybe you can talk like that to them?

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That archer range bug is only one example. A 90 florins cost peasant unit holds vs an 600 florins cost elite sword unit for 5 mins is an other example. Peasants use knives and that moves quicker than the swords. So in that sense they hold vs an elite cav or inf unit for several minutes. That means a BROKEN engine.

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I have played M2:TW extensively on patch 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2. I have never encountered that bug.

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Those calculations + animations related bugs will be there forever. Game is simply broken since Rome. However majority of the SP peeps do not realise that and CA can sell millions of copies without any problems. You just pay for a faulty product.

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The engine is not perfect. No engine ever is. M2:TW and RTW are on the same engine, therefore same type of problems and limitations.

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There are some CA employees who read this forum and they post here. If one of them comes and proves me wrong I will apolagize. But that will not happen. None of them will answer to this post.

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As far as I understand:
- There is nothing for them to answer to, you haven't asked questions, only told answers
- They have no reason to respond if you attack their abilities
- This isn't their official forums, so less reason to spend their time here
- As far as I know, there is no Public Relations type person for CA who spends all day reading these types of posts.

I have no doubt someone will read your post. However I agree with you when you say they won't respond. I dont think it's worth their time.

Hi guys just thought I would pop in and say hi. I know it's frustrating when there is a lack of information regarding a game release. Being a keen gamer myself I am often in the same boat as you chaps waiting for any news or feature lists etc. As soon as we can get some more info out to you we will and please keep an eye on www.totalwar.com for as this will be the first place for resources and updates.

Once again sorry I don't have any more news for you just yet but I did just want to pop in and say hi and hang in there, it will be worth the wait.

I thought it was the TW blog where all the FAQs came first.........

Dear CA,

Please give pevergreen a free copy of ETW. He really deserved it. :beam:

Poor CA guys, they are sieged by us.

Guys, lets have some good patience and wait.

I will buy nothing but Shogun reincarnate!

Actually I have enjoyed TW all the way along despite its shortcomings. Still better than every other game of its genre (of which there aren't many).

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Still better than every other game of its genre (of which there aren't many).

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Exactly!

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Originally Posted by YellowMelon

I will buy nothing but Shogun reincarnate!

Actually I have enjoyed TW all the way along despite its shortcomings. Still better than every other game of its genre (of which there aren't many).

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It is the only one actually. No other game in the world has such a concept + "moral issue" in it. That is why we all loved it. Until UK office released Rome and turned everything into a big lame! MTW2 was developed by Aussie branch (developers of the first game in the serie - Shogun) and it is sort of playable with Retrofit mod however now it is again UK office which is developing ETW and god knows what new "features" they are inventing!

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The terrain and weather are a factor in the battles. Ranged units on high ground get a greater range and accuracy. Units fighting in mêlée are more effective if they are on higher ground than the enemy. Cavalry fighting in forests lose some of their maneuverability and effectiveness, whereas infantry do not. If ranged weapons are used on units that are hiding in forests they have less chance of getting hit. If it's snowing, heavily armored units get tired sooner. If it's raining then guns and bows become less effective or even useless. This adds depth to the game as attacking in different seasons means greater chance of a certain weather condition and some provinces are easier to defend than others. It also means that the mobilization phase of the battle is no less important than the actual fighting, as gaining the high ground may give a player the winning edge.

All units have honor. Honor is basically the experience of success the unit has, and higher honor means greater effectiveness and less chance of routing. Generals gain or lose honor according to their success rate and their honor affects all those who fight under their command. This means that fresh reinforcements are usually inferior to units that have fought before; sending units to battle that they cannot win not only costs you units but enhances the soldiers of your enemy and degrades the honor of your own general (causing the units below him to fight worse).

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UK office thought all these were uncessary when they released Rome. DEPTH was something to get rid of so that they could sell more. Well actually CA was really successful with Rome in terms of sales. So noone can blame them. The great RTW (random total war)! :beam:

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That is why we all loved it. Until UK office released Rome and turned everything into a big lame! MTW2 was developed by Aussie branch (developers of the first game in the serie - Shogun)

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Just to correct this, Shogun: Total War, Medieval: Total War and Rome: Total War were all developed by the UK office, Medieval II: Total War was the first Total War game made by the Australia studio.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Just to correct this, Shogun: Total War, Medieval: Total War and Rome: Total War were all developed by the UK office, Medieval II: Total War was the first Total War game made by the Australia studio.

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Hmm I may be be misinformed on this one so I accept your quote as the correct one.

Ok so why did UK office suddenly decide to get rid of all those magical elements that made the game something innovational and genious? Just for sales? And then Aussie branch put them back in MTW2.

RTW brought the series into glorious 3D.

My first TW was RTW, I find MTW unplayable, i am quickly bored from it.

It's all to do with the type of person.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Kyolic

Hmm I may be be misinformed on this one so I accept your quote as the correct one.

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There was something with Australia and original STW too. Ben from Dreamtime should ring a bell.

http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/gam...un/shogdem.txt

Shogun: Total War TM.
The 'Shogun' and 'Total War' logos are trademarks of Dreamtime Interactive. All rights reserved.

Shogun Total War is developed by Creative Assembly, produced by Dreamtime Interactive and published by Electronic Arts.

I don't know whether Dreamtime Interactive is Australian (name suggests yes) or whether CA or DT have offices outside the UK, but I clearly recall Australia to be involved with STW.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

My first TW was RTW, I find MTW unplayable, i am quickly bored from it.

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I was quickly bored with RTW because the battles are less interesting tactically than those that use the first generation TW battle engine, and the campaign is a tedious and unchallenging exercise in micromanagement.

FYI

Almost all of the staff who worked on Shogun and Medieval were based in the West Sussex (UK) offices. Jeff Van Dyke being a notable exception.

We started growing the CA Oz office during the development of Rome:TW and they (CA oz) got to work on a few of the graphics engine elements of Rome and the audio (Jeff Van Dyke).
After that CAOZ got to make Medieval 2 along with some UK staff that used to live in the UK but moved to Australia.

Empire is being made and designed in the CA UK offices. There are quite a number of the original faces from Shogun, Medieval and Rome still involved in making and designing the TW games.

In the end all of it is about teamwork.

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Originally Posted by YellowMelon

Actually I have enjoyed TW all the way along despite its shortcomings. Still better than every other game of its genre (of which there aren't many).

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TW competes with itself. It's unfortunate that CA did the best job on the first version of TW because they set a standard that they couldn't maintain. What good are more features if they either don't work or aren't balanced properly? And, why accept inferior gameplay especially when you already own the the version that has the superior gameplay. I can see the better graphics and they still don't look realistic, and neither do the animations. It still looks like a computer game. You get a better suspension of disbelief with the first game in the series.

It appears that ETW will have a different enough game design that it won't compete directly with the other TW games. However, I'm not confident that CA has discarded their penchant for including more features in their game than they can properly implement within the development time. I have the impression that the managers are putting more work on the programmers than the programmers can handle. When ETW is released you can bet that information about the game is going to be held back so that you cannot make an informed purchasing decision. Oh you'll be told the system requirements, shown lots of still photos and get a gimmicked battle demo, but you won't get the necessary information to decide if you should buy a new computer or to know if all the features have been properly implemented.

Based on past experience and comments made by CA such as "not enough resources", "not enough time", "have to move on to the next project", "that would only be of interest to hardcore players", "the game isn't a history lession", "it's too much work to fix", etc..., all the features in ETW won't be properly implemented, and they won't be properly balanced because it's pretty hard to balance things when some of the stuff isn't working correctly. For instance, imagine trying to balance M2TW with the shield bug present and you don't know that bug is there. Now you fix that bug in a patch, but you don't have time to rebalance all the units again which is what would have to be done to do it right. Now most of the people who bought the game don't seem to care about that, so great just forget about it and make the next game.

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick

There are quite a number of the original faces from Shogun, Medieval and Rome still involved in making and designing the TW games.

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I hope those Rome faces are the ones who get involved with ETW the less. :yes:

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

They are building a new engine, the screenshots alone prove that.

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Do the screenshots really prove that though? I remember similar claims that M2TW was a "new engine", wheras in fact it was the RTW engine with a bit of a facelift. BTW I'm not against this. How many other game developers recycle and revamp the same engine over and over? Almost all.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

The engine is not perfect. No engine ever is. M2:TW and RTW are on the same engine, therefore same type of problems and limitations.

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Indeed, though using M2TW an indication, many of the issues in RTW/BI where not resolved in M2TW. IMHO this is because I don't think that much work went on the engine itself.

If anyone from CA said MTW2 was a "new engine" they shouldnt have. It wasnt. It was based on the RTW engine. It was an evolution of an existing engine.

ETW is a new engine. As we have always said our products follow a revolution-evolution-revolution-evolution approach.

Shogun and Mongol Invasion -Revolution
Medieval and Viking Invasion -Evolution
Rome and BI -Revolution
Med 2 and Kingdoms -Evolution
Empire -Revolution

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick

If anyone from CA said MTW2 was a "new engine" they shouldnt have. It wasnt. It was based on the RTW engine. It was an evolution of an existing engine.

ETW is a new engine. As we have always said our products follow a revolution-evolution-revolution-evolution approach.

Shogun and Mongol Invasion -Revolution
Medieval and Viking Invasion -Evolution
Rome and BI -Revolution
Med 2 and Kingdoms -Evolution
Empire -Revolution

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Good to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. :bow:

IIRC it certainly wasn't CA stating that it was a new engine, but certain forumites making this assertion.

There were plenty of people rubbishing the doubters back then on the basis that it was a "new engine" and that we should wait and see. This is basically why I've never bothered with M2TW, I'm waiting for the "revolution" this time. If ETW turns out to be that, then who knows I might pick it up (note to self: upgrade PC first).

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick

Rome and BI -Revolution

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Most certainly! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Oh you'll get more than wallpapers between now and March.

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick

CAOZ got to make Medieval 2 along with some UK staff that used to live in the UK but moved to Australia.

In the end all of it is about teamwork.

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And a great team of guys too!

my2bob

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Kyolic

The terrain and weather are a factor in the battles. Ranged units on high ground get a greater range and accuracy. Units fighting in mêlée are more effective if they are on higher ground than the enemy. Cavalry fighting in forests lose some of their maneuverability and effectiveness, whereas infantry do not. If ranged weapons are used on units that are hiding in forests they have less chance of getting hit. If it's snowing, heavily armored units get tired sooner. If it's raining then guns and bows become less effective or even useless. This adds depth to the game as attacking in different seasons means greater chance of a certain weather condition and some provinces are easier to defend than others. It also means that the mobilization phase of the battle is no less important than the actual fighting, as gaining the high ground may give a player the winning edge.

All units have honor. Honor is basically the experience of success the unit has, and higher honor means greater effectiveness and less chance of routing. Generals gain or lose honor according to their success rate and their honor affects all those who fight under their command. This means that fresh reinforcements are usually inferior to units that have fought before; sending units to battle that they cannot win not only costs you units but enhances the soldiers of your enemy and degrades the honor of your own general (causing the units below him to fight worse).

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AFAIK everything there is in both RTW and M2TW, except the guns not working in the rain.

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Sidekick

If anyone from CA said MTW2 was a "new engine" they shouldnt have. It wasnt. It was based on the RTW engine. It was an evolution of an existing engine.

ETW is a new engine. As we have always said our products follow a revolution-evolution-revolution-evolution approach.

Shogun and Mongol Invasion -Revolution
Medieval and Viking Invasion -Evolution
Rome and BI -Revolution
Med 2 and Kingdoms -Evolution
Empire -Revolution

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Hi there. I know it could be hard, but you have then, with this "revolution" episode the keys to success if it all gets together. NAval battles, gun fire... Maybe a step to "engine + scenarios " approach?

yeah it is March and all I can see is wallpapers... I want my money back! :clown:

There's a few more screenies out now, check the thread here...