R:TW Challenge-BLITZ!!!

My Averni campaign in EB has turned into a war of attrition with the germanic tribe so I think that now is a good time for me to take a break and come back to vanilla with my new arsenal of battlefield and strategic tactics that I have learned.

ATPG's M2:TW blitz campaigns have inspired me to try the same thing in R:TW.

So the challenge is to be the fastest player to conquer 50 provinces including Rome. Post the victory screenshot, years taken to win, version number, any mods used(preferrably only minor mods if any), and anything else you consider to be relevant.

I think that the best factions for this would be the Roman families, Egyptians, or Seleucids.

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Not joining this, because my playing style is slow. But just yesterday I read about someone conquering fifty provinces as the Greek Cities by 257BC, which is only 25 turns from the start of the game. The Greek cities, I suppose, are ideal for a blitz, because their territories are so spread out in the first place.

You want to see fast do ya?:shifty:

Well check out this deal :deal2: .

This guy starts the game planning on doing it in 40 turns. He does it about 30 turns. My friend, when it comes to conquering the world fast, you've gotta choose a faction that is spread out thinly over a large area. The greeks are exactly what you need.

You should definately read indepth, on how he carried out his blitz strategy. I know from first hand.:study:

I think Carthage is best for this.

Indeed. Carthage is also a faction that is spread thinly over a large area, like the greeks.:7detective:

Is it possible with Romans? I'll try as Julii although my playing style is normally slow i'm sure I can adapt to blitzing.

Julii I'm not so sure. They start out with their backs to Rome and the sea on their flanks. When you're playing a blitzer, you must fight wars on all fronts. That way to have more surface area to expand into.

I just tried a Brutii blitz and failed. I think that I'm done with this. I can't get used to the battlespeed in vanilla. It doesn't seem like there is any time for tactics at all.:thumbsdown:

Btw, the best way to survive early in the game as Carthage is to blitz like crazy,
and you have easy access to the Italian cities.

I may try this with Carthage, I'll get some screenshots up when I'm done, but I'm probably not the best at blitzing. If I get it done by 240 BC I'll be happy with it.

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Originally Posted by Good Ship Chuckle

You want to see fast do ya?:shifty:

Well check out this deal :deal2: .

This guy starts the game planning on doing it in 40 turns. He does it about 30 turns. My friend, when it comes to conquering the world fast, you've gotta choose a faction that is spread out thinly over a large area. The greeks are exactly what you need.

You should definately read indepth, on how he carried out his blitz strategy. I know from first hand.:study:

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Wasn't it twenty-five turns? =D

I think the Roman faction most suited for a blitz would be the Scipii-- they have easy access to Carthage and the soft underside of Greece, followed by Asia Minor.

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Originally Posted by Quirinus

Wasn't it twenty-five turns? =D

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Probably.:tongue3:
Even more so then. 25 turns is incedible!

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

My Averni campaign in EB has turned into a war of attrition with the germanic tribe so I think that now is a good time for me to take a break and come back to vanilla with my new arsenal of battlefield and strategic tactics that I have learned.

ATPG's M2:TW blitz campaigns have inspired me to try the same thing in R:TW.

So the challenge is to be the fastest player to conquer 50 provinces including Rome. Post the victory screenshot, years taken to win, version number, any mods used(preferrably only minor mods if any), and anything else you consider to be relevant.

I think that the best factions for this would be the Roman families, Egyptians, or Seleucids.

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Quite frankly I am flattered...

I think I will accept the challenge and play a little Rome at some point.

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Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy

Quite frankly I am flattered...

I think I will accept the challenge and play a little Rome at some point.

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askthepizzaguy wants to be a blitzmaster in all total war games?? :laugh4:
Good luck!!!:2thumbsup:
Can't wait for another record!!:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

askthepizzaguy wants to be a blitzmaster in all total war games?? :laugh4:
Good luck!!!:2thumbsup:
Can't wait for another record!!:2thumbsup:

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Ha! Let me get in a little practice first, mein freund. :blush:

It's been a while. I can't even call myself an expert at this point. I've all but forgotten vanilla. I got all wrapped up in R:TR, then BI, then M2TW, then LTC.

What, Rome vanilla? That's like... ancient! No pun intended.

Anyone else play as one of the Roman factions on Very Hard, Very Hard and attempt to 'steal' the other Roman territories and expand in all 3 directions at once?

Box them in, I say. Box them in! Even if they spit at you in the face!

Ohh! What wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face! I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face. My idea of heaven is to be allowed to be put in manacles... just for a few hours. They must think the sun shines out o' your arse, sonny. They must think you're Lord God Almighty. Oh, you'll probably get away with crucifixion. Best thing the Romans ever did for us. If we didn't have crucifixion, this country would be in a right bloody mess. NAIL HIM UP I SAY!!! NAIL SOME SENSE INTO HIM!!! Now, take my case. They hung me up here five years ago. Every night, they take me down for twenty minutes, then they hang me up again, which I regard as very fair, in view of what I done, and, if nothing else, it's taught me to respect the Romans, and it's taught me... THAT YOU WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IN THIS LIFE... UNLESS YOU'RE PREPARED TO DO A FAIR DAY'S WORK, FOR A FAIR DAY'S PAY!!!

https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/...2/untitled.jpg

[Centurion] -SHUT UP!!

Right. Right. Terrific race, the Romans. Terrific.

huh lol good luck

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Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy

Ohh! What wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face! I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face. My idea of heaven is to be allowed to be put in manacles... just for a few hours. They must think the sun shines out o' your arse, sonny. They must think you're Lord God Almighty. Oh, you'll probably get away with crucifixion. Best thing the Romans ever did for us. If we didn't have crucifixion, this country would be in a right bloody mess. NAIL HIM UP I SAY!!! NAIL SOME SENSE INTO HIM!!! Now, take my case. They hung me up here five years ago. Every night, they take me down for twenty minutes, then they hang me up again, which I regard as very fair, in view of what I done, and, if nothing else, it's taught me to respect the Romans, and it's taught me... THAT YOU WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IN THIS LIFE... UNLESS YOU'RE PREPARED TO DO A FAIR DAY'S WORK, FOR A FAIR DAY'S PAY!!!

https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/...2/untitled.jpg

[Centurion] -SHUT UP!!

Right. Right. Terrific race, the Romans. Terrific.

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:laugh4: -insert obligatory Life of Brian in-joke-

But really, one of the bestest comedies ever.

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Originally Posted by Quirinus

But really, one of the bestest comedies ever.

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Amen

Can we play as the rebels for this?

:laugh4: That's a thought. Though I've never played as rebels on RTW before-- I did try on BI though. Managed to wipe out the Berbers and sack Carthage before I got decimated by expanding empires. =( It was fun though-- seeing the Berber family member turn rebel because I conquered their last city was hilarious. He became a pretty good general too.

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Originally Posted by Fahad I

Can we play as the rebels for this?

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The challenge was to take 50 provinces including Rome but I think the rebels have more than 50 provinces at the start of the game??
So they have to take only Rome .. they lose couple of settlements ofcourse but there only challenge is to take Rome ..

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

The challenge was to take 50 provinces including Rome but I think the rebels have more than 50 provinces at the start of the game??
So they have to take only Rome .. they lose couple of settlements ofcourse but there only challenge is to take Rome ..

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Which will be easy since you start with Segesta and Segestica, the closest rebel cities to Rome.

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Originally Posted by Fahad I

Which will be easy since you start with Segesta and Segestica, the closest rebel cities to Rome.

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Both of these settlements are always taken early on though (Julii and Brutii), so its not quite as easy as you may imagine it.

The rebels are, in all honesty, a very difficult faction to play as. The AI is programmed to target rebel settlements first, and their monetary situation is in chaos having scattered low quality settlements filled with corruption. This makes it difficult to train military forces and dominate opponents.

~:)

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Both of these settlements are always taken early on though (Julii and Brutii), so its not quite as easy as you may imagine it.

The rebels are, in all honesty, a very difficult faction to play as. The AI is programmed to target rebel settlements first, and their monetary situation is in chaos having scattered low quality settlements filled with corruption. This makes it difficult to train military forces and dominate opponents.

~:)

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Yes they are difficult faction to play but they have one very significant bonus compared to other factions .. non of cities they have can not rebel!! :laugh4:
also .. they get these brigand army's from time to time and if you manage to make them one strong stack then real factions should tremble in fear :skull:
if you manage to keep greece to yourself then you can soon launch an attack against romans and against rome itself ...
but still I think rebel shouldn't be the faction to try this blitz challenge :no:

hint on playing as the rebels:

Amass as many troops as possible, and have them all rendezvous at some central point.

Your actual territories suck. Abandon them completely, as you don't NEED public order.

Amass all your armies from Spain, France, and Germany around Gaul, and pick off their weaker settlements, exterminate their larger stacks by surrounding them, and take Gaul. Amass all your armies from the east and take Dacia and Thrace and Illyria. Have them all meet in the middle, wipe out the Germans, and then retake Gaul and Dacia, so your actual established territory is Gaul, Germania, and Dacia. Now, disband any irrelevant troops and begin as the Pan-Germanian Rebel faction. Try to build some good quality troops and spread into Italy and Spain. Britania will always be a bother, because their mainland has some very decent troops and yours will never be as good as theirs.

Leave any temples standing, as they will grant you possibly recruitment or armour, trade bonuses, etc.

If you can manage to take Rome as the rebels, consider yourself a master of this strategy.

There is one little minus in this ... I played a long time ago with rebels and looks like the barbarian rebels cannot recruit any units from their towns :no: .. so they have to wait those brigands ....
Greeks and eastern rebels can recruit some put mostly some light troops .. greek rebels can recruit hoplites who can be the backbone of your army .. so if you want to play with rebels then you should free those greek cities ...
But the biggest downside playng with rebels is that you can not lose any large battles cause you will lose the entire army .. you can not withdraw either:no:

So I have started this challenge..
Playng ..
..RTW v1.5 (Gold Edition)
.. faction Carthage

The only change to this game was in the descr_strat.txt file where I changed the rebel spawning values to this ...

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brigand_spawn_value 75
pirate_spawn_value 75

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The Year at the moment is -267 summer .. turn 7(?)
Brutii will be crushed on this turn .. :skull:
have Messina and after Brutii gone I will get rid of Scipii ..
in Spain I have Garthago Nova and besieging Osca ..
in Africa I took Lepcis Magna(sp?) and moving to take out the numidians now ..
small army is moving towards Kyrene .. darn this desert is BIG!!:egypt:

I have right now 10 (soon 11) setlements
just a little update ...

P.S I have to say that in RTW it is much harder to blitz cause there is now crusade option to use

What do you think is easier to use the blitz strategy with? The RS mod or vanilla? What's better, having a much much larger map with 0 turn recruitment or a rather small map with +1 turn recruitment? Since the topic starter didn't forbid mods, I think I'm going to do it with RS, I'll have legions swarming over the whole world by the end of the week.

I couldn't do this with M2TW since my computer was too weak to run the battles, so I had to auto-calc everything. But if it's okay with askthepizzaguy, I'm going to try to beat him as soon as the Rome: M2TW mod releases.

What is this "RS" mod? It sounds interesting-- 0-turn recruitment sounds far more realistic than the one-turn recruitment thing.

I think RS is Roma surrectum ~:)

Yep, RS is Roma Surrectum. You can find their forum here.

Well .. my attempt with the carthage to blitz the RTW world had a nasty ending ...
my 2 main armies got defeated and my expansion got halted :wall: :shame:
perhaps i'll try with the seleucid or greeks this time :idea2: