Got Shogun to work again, finally. Sadly, on lower graphics... but it's still the best game ever, so I figured it'd be nice do a campaign story again.
This time, not in 'story-style', but only telling the facts, etc. So, this is about the gameplay.
I always found this campaigns the hardest, probably. Hojo vs. The Mongols. I hope that they are as challenging as I recalled them to be. :book:
Enjoy! ~:)
Hi there!
This thread has become quite a mess.
I will fit the stories into spoilers below.
Enjoy!
Drisos Hojo Campaign
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Turn #1:
I move the army from Chikugo to Hizen. I also move any armies in 'harbour-regions' to Hizen. There's a full stack there now.
I attack the three rebel regions with all the armies from the Hojo's neighbouring regions. Hopefully I can wipe them out right away.
All armies that weren't in a region with a harbour or a region neighbouring the rebels, are sent westward, to stop the Mongol horde from gaining more territory.
I was in big doubts about my money... finally decided to invest all in mines. Iyo, Aki, Harima, Kai, Shimotsuke and Echigo.
I don't think I can get them within a few turns, and after that, more of their fleet will arrive... so, a better income will pay off eventually, I think.
Let's take a look at the map, before we make our first stand in Hizen.
The Mongols invaded Chikugo and Buzen.. I had no units in Buzen, and in Chikugo I retreated.. the numbers were hopeles..
Kicked their ass in Hizen! Probably one of my most enjoyable battles vs. the AI as well! I had 10 ranged-fire-units, so their first wave took great losses and routed for the most part without a fight. My 2 units of CA chased most of their army off, killing loads of Korean infantry. However, Mongol Light cavalry is too fast.. eventually both units were destroyed and a few of his light cavalry units were still on the field. I had ran out of ammo, and the mongols had a second wave of a few hundred men. Plus, I didn't have anything faster than Yari Ashigaru to catch their light cavalry.
So, I sent my army into the small forest in the centre of the defender's position. I made sure my yari's faced all sides, so he'd have to charge YS head on in the forest if he wanted to win the battle. After all, his ranged fire didn't have much effect on me, taking cover in the woods. (That's why I went there..)
After a while of firing, and a few engagements between YS and korean infantry, they gave up and went home.. Killed almost 700, lost almost 200.
The battles against the rebels were much easier and simpler of course. Only in Mutsu they showed some resistance.. had a tough fight in the woods, but with superior numbers it'd be hard to lose.
Loyalty is low in Mutsu and Dewa, taxes are going to 'very low' temporarily. Money enough anyway (gained 13K from harvest!)
So, troop production started! Mostly archers and yari cavalry. This combination because of their light cavalry. They usually hit and run.. so, with enough archers I'll shoot them down, or with some timing and flanking Yari's defeat them pretty easily. Their korean infantry is very simple to chase off anyway.. the real enemy is their cavalry.
So, training 6 YC in yamashiro and shinano.. 6 SA in totomi, kai, mimasaka and satsuma. 6 YS in hitachi. 6 Ashigaru Crossbows in Tosa and Owari.
After the defeat in Hizen they don't have that frightning force anymore... and since the best defence is a good offence.. I'm going to attack. ~:) :yes:
I think I can defeat a large army of them in Chikugo later.. so let's chase them to there. Attacking Buzen now. Not sure about it, they might move in reinforcements.. but I can always retreat it they grow too many.
The attack on Buzen was another succes. 960 vs. 750, of which two third koreans, I think. Simple battle, but not great in the result. I engaged a ranged war uphill, yet I had far more archers than the mongols, so I won it anyway. Anything that came near was shot down or routed.. Didn't manage to kill many of their cavalry, yet they didn't kill much either. Killed just over 400, lost just over 200.
Still moving armies to Hizen by port, the army there has grown big. I have enough armies close to attack attack this turn. With some luck I can kick them out before reinforcements arrive. :beam: Attacking Chikuezen this turn, with another 960-men army, with mainly archers, all the cav I could find, and a few YS.
Battle went well. I stayed at my side of the hield, some of my SA even on the high ground... the ranged war went better this time. My archers were never in danger of anything but their ranged fire. When my SA ran out of ammo I chased their leftover away with some cavalry. However, their reinforcements were still there... my cavalry was destroyed when I wasn't paying attention, and I had no ammunition left for my SA. Suprisingly, three units of Ashigaru Crossbowmen held off their reinforcements by ranged fire only... foolish mongols, I think if they had charged instead of fired with their cav... they might have won. Anyway... killed almost 600, lost almost 400.
Well, seems like I exchanged bad news for other bad news. Revolt in Mutsu. And not just a revolt. Seems like a 12-unit stack or so. Not healthy... I have almost nothing for the defence. I thought The loyalty would improve slowly... but it only went down. Even with Very Low taxes and a few hundred men there, they are revolting. :S Well... Mutsu is lost, for now. I'm now moving troops over to the north as soon as possible. Before they conquer useful economical or trooptraining regions.
Attacking Chikugo now. I'm expecting more Mongol Hordes next turn. In Hizen and Nagato I have defensive armies... yet in Chikuezen and Buzen, I have almost nothing. Aw well...
Ouch. Indeed, reinforcements arrived. Almost full stacks in Hizen and Nagato, a half stack in Buzen, and a small stack in Chikuezen. Of course I have armies in those four regions, but they might not be strong enough to keep the mongols out. If not, I'll have years more of trouble.
First battle: Attacking Chikugo. I have slightly more men. I deploy all archers at the river bank, and send one YS as bait. After a few times of running forward and backward the YS unit, I've shot down most of his infantry. A few more times, and my YS is almost destroyed and routs. Seems like their cavalry weren't going to take the bait, so I move to the other bank. Killed a few of his cavalry units, and the rest decided to flee. Total victory, because they have nowhere to go and will be disbanded. Killer over 700, lost about 350.
Second battle: Defending Buzen. I'm outnumbered. Good chance that Buzen will kill my efforts to kick them out this turn. I deploy deep in a forest almost on the border. To minimum losses by ranged fire, and to be able to flee soon if needed, and because YS defeat their cavalry's easy in the forest.. However, I still didn't stand a chance. Their Cavalry killed only very slowly by their arrows, but there was no way I could come out of the forest and attack them. They'd just hit-and-run me to death.. Eventually some korean infantry showed up, and by fighting them, two of my units almost left the forest. They were shot down and routed. The rest, demotived by ranged fire and seeing their friends rout, soon followed. (h0 mostly.. so it wasn't a surprise.)
Third battle: Defending Hizen. Outnumbered 2 to 3. May be winnable. Once Again I deploy in the forest. Sadly I had to send lots of archers to the attack in Chikugo. Because of that I'm in trouble with the defence against their reinforcements. I deploy my 1 SA unit not too deep in the forest, my ashigaru's and general to the back, (they shoudln't be used in fight too soon) and two YC to the sides at the back of the forest. Finally, one YS unit is deployed in front.. as 'cannon fodder'.
Ok, gah! Mission totally failed. The enemy appears to have 75% percent korean infantry.. so this won't work. They just walk onto me, I form a line and the two lines engage... my men rout very soon. I was suprised. My honour levels weren't that low.. and I wasn't attacked from the flank or the rear, and I wasn't even outnumbered that badly. Btw, seems like cavalry don't make short work of korean skirmishers... that actually lose, lol. Weird stuff. Ok, major loss. Killed just over 100, lost 300.
My deploy. Using woods for this kind of turtling is something I only recently tried out. Works nice now and then... failed today, too bad. But I still like the idea and will use it now and then. https://img215.imageshack.us/img215/...oyhizenwd7.jpg
Fourth battle: Defending Nagato. Glad I have some ranged units there. Full stack vs. full stack. This may be the most important one for today.
Ha! This went loads better. Deployed on a hill just left to the centre. 7 ranged units in front, YS and YA behind. In an attempt to neutralize their skirmishers on the left flank I rush in some YS and my cavalry units. After a short fight I cause a chain rout on their army.. only their light cavalry continues the ranged war with my archers. With three cavalry units I chase their infantry. Their cavalry doesn't bother helping their routed units, so I kill loads. Some rallied and routed later again, I destroyed 4 units to the last man with that. Their mongol light cavalry routs a while later, my archers were doing better on the hill, of course. Plus, I had better numbers. Pity though that their mongol cavalry routed through my cavalry. I know no way to stop this: they kill loads while routing. I've seen a single mongolian kill 6 of my cavalry in a row. Ridiculous. I guess it isn't possible to mod this 'bug' out? Anyone knows a solution for routing mongolian cav? They're far stronger when routing than they are normal. :S Anyway, killed almost 800, lost almost 200.
Of course, in the North I had to abadon Mutsu. Outnubered almost 5 to 1. My armies in the regions surrounding mutsu aren't half as big as their army, but in a few more turns I'll gather more troops so that it will be nearly impossible for them to attack other regions, and I can start thinking of reconquering Mutsu. Btw, need to keep an eye on Echigo as well... how come the loyalty is so surprisingly low in this campaign? Taxes are still on 75%... :S
Situation in the south doesn't look that bad yet. Armies in Chikuezen, Nagato, Bungo and Chikugo seem like they can make a pretty tough defense now. I think I'll be attacking Buzen again next turn. Hizen will be harder. Their force there is pretty large... Seems like I have enough koku for now... so I build an archery dojo in both Aki and Harima, where I had castles but no troop-training stuff. I'll need more troops on the coastline soon, I'm afraid. Btw, some more good news. My daimyo finally arrived at the front. With him is Takazaki Suenaga. So, two generals that will add +2 honour. This will help, I think.
Gah! I could have guessed. The mongols attack Chikuezen from both sides. I better should've moved in some more troops from Chikugo. Well, it's not that bad. Numbers are almost 3 to 4. We'll see.
Once again, I use a forest for my deploy. It's on a hill too, so my position should give an advagtage. I have 2 ranged units, position them left to the forest, guarded by 1 unit of YC. All YS and YA in the forest.
Again, they have brought a lot of infantry, and few cavalry. My initial ranged fire kills over 100 enemies. Then I have to protect my archers and rush in 2 YS, 2 YA, and my YC. The battles goes well, and I almost get a mass rout... Yet some of them still fought, and of course my h0 YA decided to run away... My YC was chashing routing infantry, but got caught by other infantry. One pleasant surprise though, one unit of YA actually defeated a unit of mongol light cavalry. I was astonished. Mine were h0. They had slight height-advantage, but still... I hadn't except them to defeat and rout mongol light cavalry. I get my two YS back in the forest, and pray that my YC will reorganize. Losses are almost equal now, still a good chance on winning this one.
Gah, appearantly I shouldn't have said that. Don't know why, but my remaining forces in the forest routed by the sight of their infantry coming. I have no clue why... I must be underestimating the impact on morale of seeing friends routing. Gah! Lost Chikuezen again. Though, kill ratio is ok: killed almost 300, lost almost 200.
Ha, in the north the rebels are trying to expand. They invade Hitachi with 132 men, I have 120. Should be simple. Though important. Hitachi is my of my troop-training regions. If I lose it dealing with the rebels will be lots harder.
I have 2 units of YS. At long distance I can recognize the enemy units. Ranged only. So again, I take cover deep in a forest.Their ranged fire kills only 20. Then, one unit comes close to the forest. I made a run for it, and caught it. Directly after I went after the other units. They were tired, so I caught them as well, and soon all routed. Killer almost 100, lost almost 50. Most important, I defended Hitachi.
Gah! This loyalty system is getting ridiculous. Echizen is red again. Moving in an army now tough, but might be too late. And worse, even Dewa red. While there was a 200-300 men army there. And remember, taxes are still 75%. I don't understand one bit of this. The way I recall the loyalty values is very different than this. Btw, Sado is yellow. Sado was never of any other clan then mine. And taxes are 75%. Combine those three and you have... something impossible? Really, I don't understand. When and where will these loyalty problems stop? Gah, gah, gah...
Still seems like I have more than enough money. I build 3 more castles. Inaba, Echizen and Dewa.
Oki, back to the south. Mongols have about 3 half stacks in their three regions. Time to attack again. Going for Buzen and Hizen same time now.
Ok, first is, attack on Buzen. They deployed in the forest, which is on a hill. I take my time and slowly move to their flank. Taking rest now and then to prevent fatigue. Eventually they leave their position to attack me. Their ranged fire is unorganized and weak. And his infantry combes one by one, instead of all at once. I easily defeat them using only 1 YS and 1 YC. However, a really good result is prevented by their cavalry. They charged, routed, routed through my archers and YC. One unit of YC was trying to block them. Lost 20, killed 5, with that. Ridiculous. I'm getting really pissed by the routing mongolian cav... The way they kill is ridiculous. Ah well... still, numersa are ok. Killed over 400, lost almost 100.
They retreat Hizen. That wasn't my plan. Now they have quite a large force in Chikuezen, which may be hard to defeat. I actually took less troops into Hizen because I was afraid of them retreating. So, plan failed.
Going well in the north. My army arrived in Echizen. May be in time to prevent revolts. Dewa is green again, and my forces have grown so much that the rebels can't expand anymore.
Archer dojo's finished in Aki and Harima. I fill up every training region with 6 units again.
Oki, arranged an attack on Chikuezen. Combining troops the best troops from 4 regions into a full stack.
Lol, weird stuff. The mongols aren't going to defend Chikuezen, - they're attacking! :S
First battle, defending Bungo: Almost equal numbers. I deploy as far to the east as possible, and when battle starts I deploy on the huge hill there. This time the mongols charged right away with their cavalry. But a very units of YS and some cav won easily. Pity tough, again, they routed through my units... Painful. However, what's left of their army is easily shot up and chased down. Simple battle. Killed 350, lost almost 150.
Ok, so I won. Win in Hizen now, and the campaign is probably over. Their leftover forces won't be a problem in attacking Chikuezen, I think. So... this one is important.
Deploying different than in my past battles in Hizen this time. I choose a hill to the Southeast, which is big enough for my 6 units of SA.
Gah, plan failed. Simple though. They run forward and engage.. and have more melee manpower then me. After a while of fighting here and there my line breaks and it causes a mass rout. Killed well over 100, lost over 200.
No army to defende Chikuezen, so I conquered it. They only have Hizen now. Not a large army, so I'm going to counterattack right away.
In the north, things are calm. No revolts coming up, building up forces slowly, so Mutsu can be attacked soon.
My three castles were ready. Time for three more archery dojo's.
Gah! More reinforcements. Izumo, almost full stack. I have almost no troops there, so I'll have to give the region away. Even if I win in Hizen now I'm far from done.
Ok, the Hizen battle. I almost outnumber them 2 to 1. So, I should win.
Hmm. I was a bit too hasty on the battle. I knew I was going to win anyway, etc. Wasn't motivated enough to micro-manage. Still an easy win though. Most of my kills weren by arrows. The rest routed. Killed over 400 lost almost 250. Of course, their remaining troops are gone as well. Again I had cavalry routing through my troops.
I start building a yari dojo in hizen now.
In Southern Honshu, there's decent armies in Hoki, Bingo and Iwami already. Expanding from Izumo will be hard. But attack it might be harder. They'll probably have mongolian heavy cavalry and such. But I think neither side winning or losing terrain is good as well. After all, I can expand in income and army size easier, because I own all of japan. Speaking of which... attacking Mutsu again now:
hmmm, looking at it again, the army in Hoki seems not that decent after all. aw well... I don't look forward to attacking Izumo anyway. will be nice to defeat their army partially in defending in stead of attacking.
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Turn #10:
Oki, conquering Mutsu now. Advantage in numers: 3 to 2. Ideal scenario is causing a mass rout. The less we have to fight, the better, because they have nowhere to run to, anyway.
I use the classic formation for my army: archers in first line, infantry in second, cavalry on the flanks.
As expected, the rebels deploy on the big hill close to the edge of the map. I take my time, slowly move to their right flank. If I get on the hill too they won't have the advantage...
Gah... well, I'm not sure to be happy with the result. Killed over 600, lost almost 350. Didn't mange to cause that mass-rout. :( As planned I positioned at their flank. Of course the reaction was turning towards me and starting ranged fire. Didn't kill many though. I sent my cavalry round their now exposed left flank, which was very succesful. Only engaged two SA, but the main point was that their infantry was wandering around instead of attacking my archers/infantry. I hoped to mass rout them later by a charge from two sides (infantry at the front, cavalry at the back). It worked partially, but a few units put up hell of a resistance, a few YC units got caught in battle with their YS general unit. Though completely surrounded it fought to the death instead of routing.. that has cost me a lot.
Well, good news, we're back in control of Mutsu. +600 denarii...
Now let's kick some mongols again. :) They didn't attack Hoki, which I expected. Too bad. Well, only thing is do is attack. In my experience I know no remedy for monoglian heavy cavalry. I'm not even expecting to win the upcoming battle, yet I will try to make as many kills as possible. I'll take lots of archers. They've become a sort of insurance for many kills for me lately.
Looks good. 950 vs. over 600. My army is mainly SA and YC. Good weather, first though is 'go go go', but just as I hit the 'attack' button, something came to mind. Thunderbombers! They probably is/are one ore more units of them in this army. And I recall how dangerous they can be. (Seen them kill others units for 90% with just 1 good volley) Well... I'll just have to make sure they won't be able to get a clean shot...
I'll keep writing while fighting this battle. ~:) Text may seem strange because of that.
Ah! I thought Izumo would be new for me, but I've fought here before, for sure.
Using classic lineup again. From far distance I count 2 or 3 units of thunderbombers. Scary. See some skirmishers and heavy cavalry too. Did I already mention this was going to be tough? :S
Gah, well the closer I get the worse it seems. Their infantry has moved to a forest on my right flank, while their cavalry has positioned in the northwest(from my point of view). 6 units of heavy cavalry.(!) I have no clue how to beat those. Well, we'll see.
Taking long pauses between walks to decrease fatigue. I've moved back to the center and then forward, taking the same hill his cavalry is on. They allow it. I'll keep taking higher ground till they get within firing range.
Hmm. Appears they also had some korean melee infantry and 1 unit of light cavalry in the woods, near their heavy cavalry. I killed the korean infantry to the last man with my cavalry. Now pushing forward to shoot down their light cavalry..
Hmm, again. seems like I wasn't paying attention. Another unit appears in to have been hiding in that forest. Thunderbombers. Their light cavalry have back off for now, so I'll start shooting these guys.
Hmmm, that went fine. Thunderbombers and light cavalry within shooting range at the same time. The cavalry tried a charge. (Fools! With 40 men at my entire army. They rout, and I send my cavalry to finish his thunderbombers. His heavy cav still leaning back, and no sign of the rest of his infantry.
Oki, went well, thunderbombers got in one half shot, killed 15-20 cavalry, but then they were soon slain to the last man. Taking another rest now, before moving on. Correction, no their skirmishers are approaching. (Why are they sending suicide missions one by one? :S) They'll be short work for a cav charge.
Indeed, short work. Lost 2, killed all. Next suicide mission is the thunderbombers that initially hade been hiding in the same forest with that skirmishers. This time, lost 0, killed all. Last up is another unit of thunderbombers. If I'm not mistaking I'll only have to deal with their heavy cavalry once I've taken care of that unit.
This one managed to throw a few bombs. Killed only 4 though. Their unit was of course down to the last man. Now lets rest some more and push forward to get into firing ranged with those heavy cavalry units. I'm not sure to be happy about his position. At the back of the forest in the corner of the map. I'm sending my yari samurai in the forest now. They should get a great advantage from that. Downside is that my archers can't kill many.
Hmmm. AI is acting overly suicidal this battle. They don't react at all. I have used up any arrow that my archers had brought, killing about half of their cavalry. Still, they don't react. Time for a massive charge.
Total victory! They may be strong, but not that strong. Trapped in the forest, completely outnumbered, they were actually quite simple to defeat. Of course, if the AI would've handled this battle in a normal way, things would've been different.
This was defense of Buzen first round. I put my archers, YS, and YA in the woods and the crossbowmen on the hill (as you can see). I'd concentrate all fire on a single unit and rout it, starting a chain rout. The morale truly is the weakness of the mongol troops. Of course since I couldn't chase them down they kept coming back and getting shot again. Good battle.
They invaded Chikugo, but I'd foolishly left only three units there, trying to concentrate some force in Higo. I figured taking it back would be bloody so I sacraficed the three units there. Killed 110 lost 180. I figured I'd be looking at a worse ratio assaulting it.
Defense of Hizen was a fun battle. Ashigaru crossbowmen did well. Like Drisos I concentrated my main force in the woods at the center position. I was foolish with my cavalry archers though, didn't realize I'd need them to chase the enemy down. The enemy rallied at least 8 times and had fresh reinforcements at one point, but they never charged en masse and I was able to focus on individual units and rout them.
The three ronin provinces were taken without consequence. I built a few troops port provinces.
Attack! I think the selected unit ended up being sent to Chikugo instead. Chikugo I thought would be tough but ended up easy. They had 5-6 infantry and 5-6 light cav. I had 5 archers, 5 ys, 1 ya, 1 crossbow, 1 yari cav. I sent the ashi units over as bait, they routed, sent them again. Shot down 1.5 infantry units in the process. Sent my yari cav over and ran them in a big loop around the enemy. They chased with three units. Sent the yari same over and engaged the three remaining infantry. Sent the archers in behind. Yari cav finished their loop, wove through a couple mongol units and slammed into the back of the enemy line. Rout.
Second defense of Hizen. Enemy engaged in archery war. Enemy lost badly. This time used CA to chase effectively. My general was rank 2 now which made it easy.
Assault on Chikuzen. Outnumbered them three to one. Easy victory.
I move the army from Chikugo to Hizen. I also move any armies in 'harbour-regions' to Hizen. There's a full stack there now.
I attack the three rebel regions with all the armies from the Hojo's neighbouring regions. Hopefully I can wipe them out right away.
All armies that weren't in a region with a harbour or a region neighbouring the rebels, are sent westward, to stop the Mongol horde from gaining more territory.
I was in big doubts about my money... finally decided to invest all in mines. Iyo, Aki, Harima, Kai, Shimotsuke and Echigo.
I don't think I can get them within a few turns, and after that, more of their fleet will arrive... so, a better income will pay off eventually, I think.
Let's take a look at the map, before we make our first stand in Hizen.
The Mongols invaded Chikugo and Buzen.. I had no units in Buzen, and in Chikugo I retreated.. the numbers were hopeles..
Kicked their ass in Hizen! Probably one of my most enjoyable battles vs. the AI as well! I had 10 ranged-fire-units, so their first wave took great losses and routed for the most part without a fight. My 2 units of CA chased most of their army off, killing loads of Korean infantry. However, Mongol Light cavalry is too fast.. eventually both units were destroyed and a few of his light cavalry units were still on the field. I had ran out of ammo, and the mongols had a second wave of a few hundred men. Plus, I didn't have anything faster than Yari Ashigaru to catch their light cavalry.
So, I sent my army into the small forest in the centre of the defender's position. I made sure my yari's faced all sides, so he'd have to charge YS head on in the forest if he wanted to win the battle. After all, his ranged fire didn't have much effect on me, taking cover in the woods. (That's why I went there..)
After a while of firing, and a few engagements between YS and korean infantry, they gave up and went home.. Killed almost 700, lost almost 200.
The battles against the rebels were much easier and simpler of course. Only in Mutsu they showed some resistance.. had a tough fight in the woods, but with superior numbers it'd be hard to lose.
Loyalty is low in Mutsu and Dewa, taxes are going to 'very low' temporarily. Money enough anyway (gained 13K from harvest!)
So, troop production started! Mostly archers and yari cavalry. This combination because of their light cavalry. They usually hit and run.. so, with enough archers I'll shoot them down, or with some timing and flanking Yari's defeat them pretty easily. Their korean infantry is very simple to chase off anyway.. the real enemy is their cavalry.
So, training 6 YC in yamashiro and shinano.. 6 SA in totomi, kai, mimasaka and satsuma. 6 YS in hitachi. 6 Ashigaru Crossbows in Tosa and Owari.
After the defeat in Hizen they don't have that frightning force anymore... and since the best defence is a good offence.. I'm going to attack. ~:) :yes:
I think I can defeat a large army of them in Chikugo later.. so let's chase them to there. Attacking Buzen now. Not sure about it, they might move in reinforcements.. but I can always retreat it they grow too many.
The attack on Buzen was another succes. 960 vs. 750, of which two third koreans, I think. Simple battle, but not great in the result. I engaged a ranged war uphill, yet I had far more archers than the mongols, so I won it anyway. Anything that came near was shot down or routed.. Didn't manage to kill many of their cavalry, yet they didn't kill much either. Killed just over 400, lost just over 200.
Still moving armies to Hizen by port, the army there has grown big. I have enough armies close to attack attack this turn. With some luck I can kick them out before reinforcements arrive. :beam: Attacking Chikuezen this turn, with another 960-men army, with mainly archers, all the cav I could find, and a few YS.
Oh dear. Seems like I forgot to save my game yesterday. I'm back at Turn 4... Annoying. But good news is, I might actually win in Chikuezen this time! I'll add the old version of Turn4 in a spoiler, btw.
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Turn #4:
Indeed, I did better in battle this time. I stayed at my side of the hield, some of my SA even on the high ground... the ranged war went better this time. My archers were never in danger of anything but their ranged fire. When my SA ran out of ammo I chased their leftover away with some cavalry. However, their reinforcements were still there... my cavalry was destroyed when I wasn't paying attention, and I had no ammunition left for my SA. Suprisingly, three units of Ashigaru Crossbowmen held off their reinforcements by ranged fire only... foolish mongols, I think if they had charged instead of fired with their cav... they might have won. Anyway... killed almost 600, lost almost 400.
Well, seems like I exchanged bad news for other bad news. Revolt in Mutsu. And not just a revolt. Seems like a 12-unit stack or so. Not healthy... I have almost nothing for the defence. I thought The loyalty would improve slowly... but it only went down. Even with Very Low taxes and a few hundred men there, they are revolting. :S Well... Mutsu is lost, for now. I'm now moving troops over to the north as soon as possible. Before they conquer useful economical or trooptraining regions.
Attacking Chikugo now. I'm expecting more Mongol Hordes next turn. In Hizen and Nagato I have defensive armies... yet in Chikuezen and Buzen, I have almost nothing. Aw well...
Gah! I actually lost in Chikuezen. (!) :wall: The ranged war was going fine.. yet, on the right flank his korean inf refused to rout, so they engaged. I used 1 YS, 1 YC and 1 SA against 2 units of Korean Spearmen.. and they actually won.. probably by the backup of their cavalry.. Just before my unit routed, I sent my YS, bad timing, too late to help, and they routed at the sight of their friends routing.. it seems. With no Yari's left, they actually did what's best.. charge with all cav at my archers.. easy pray. I routed a few of them and chased some inf down with a unit of cav that didn't engage, but the battles was over. Killed almost 300, but lost over 700. Painful!
But... good news, their numbers are still decreasing. I'm attacking Chikuezen again! Attacking Chikugo the same time, this time. I'm afraid though that their reinforcements might show up next turn.. we'll see. I left an army in Nagato to defend if necessary..
Nice, Drisos! I wish you luck in your pending battles. :2thumbsup:
02-27-2008, 22:43
thip
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Great Drisos. Looking forward to reading about your exploits...
03-01-2008, 01:23
Gregoshi
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
May I have some more please? :laugh4:
03-01-2008, 09:36
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Sorry, I'm back at my parents home now. I'll probably finish the campaign monday or tuesday.
:bow:
03-04-2008, 23:35
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Sorry for taking so long. I had to find a decent amount of time to play all those battles. Nice turn though. I can't finish the campaign tonight.. but I'll have some more time this week. Ah well, a campaign lasting longer then 5 turns may be more intresting anyway. :laugh4: ~;)
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Turn #5:
Ouch. Indeed, reinforcements arrived. Almost full stacks in Hizen and Nagato, a half stack in Buzen, and a small stack in Chikuezen. Of course I have armies in those four regions, but they might not be strong enough to keep the mongols out. If not, I'll have years more of trouble.
First battle: Attacking Chikugo. I have slightly more men. I deploy all archers at the river bank, and send one YS as bait. After a few times of running forward and backward the YS unit, I've shot down most of his infantry. A few more times, and my YS is almost destroyed and routs. Seems like their cavalry weren't going to take the bait, so I move to the other bank. Killed a few of his cavalry units, and the rest decided to flee. Total victory, because they have nowhere to go and will be disbanded. Killer over 700, lost about 350.
Second battle: Defending Buzen. I'm outnumbered. Good chance that Buzen will kill my efforts to kick them out this turn. I deploy deep in a forest almost on the border. To minimum losses by ranged fire, and to be able to flee soon if needed, and because YS defeat their cavalry's easy in the forest.. However, I still didn't stand a chance. Their Cavalry killed only very slowly by their arrows, but there was no way I could come out of the forest and attack them. They'd just hit-and-run me to death.. Eventually some korean infantry showed up, and by fighting them, two of my units almost left the forest. They were shot down and routed. The rest, demotived by ranged fire and seeing their friends rout, soon followed. (h0 mostly.. so it wasn't a surprise.)
Third battle: Defending Hizen. Outnumbered 2 to 3. May be winnable. Once Again I deploy in the forest. Sadly I had to send lots of archers to the attack in Chikugo. Because of that I'm in trouble with the defence against their reinforcements. I deploy my 1 SA unit not too deep in the forest, my ashigaru's and general to the back, (they shoudln't be used in fight too soon) and two YC to the sides at the back of the forest. Finally, one YS unit is deployed in front.. as 'cannon fodder'.
Ok, gah! Mission totally failed. The enemy appears to have 75% percent korean infantry.. so this won't work. They just walk onto me, I form a line and the two lines engage... my men rout very soon. I was suprised. My honour levels weren't that low.. and I wasn't attacked from the flank or the rear, and I wasn't even outnumbered that badly. Btw, seems like cavalry don't make short work of korean skirmishers... that actually lose, lol. Weird stuff. Ok, major loss. Killed just over 100, lost 300.
My deploy. Using woods for this kind of turtling is something I only recently tried out. Works nice now and then... failed today, too bad. But I still like the idea and will use it now and then. https://img215.imageshack.us/img215/...oyhizenwd7.jpg
Fourth battle: Defending Nagato. Glad I have some ranged units there. Full stack vs. full stack. This may be the most important one for today.
Ha! This went loads better. Deployed on a hill just left to the centre. 7 ranged units in front, YS and YA behind. In an attempt to neutralize their skirmishers on the left flank I rush in some YS and my cavalry units. After a short fight I cause a chain rout on their army.. only their light cavalry continues the ranged war with my archers. With three cavalry units I chase their infantry. Their cavalry doesn't bother helping their routed units, so I kill loads. Some rallied and routed later again, I destroyed 4 units to the last man with that. Their mongol light cavalry routs a while later, my archers were doing better on the hill, of course. Plus, I had better numbers. Pity though that their mongol cavalry routed through my cavalry. I know no way to stop this: they kill loads while routing. I've seen a single mongolian kill 6 of my cavalry in a row. Ridiculous. I guess it isn't possible to mod this 'bug' out? Anyone knows a solution for routing mongolian cav? They're far stronger when routing than they are normal. :S Anyway, killed almost 800, lost almost 200.
Of course, in the North I had to abadon Mutsu. Outnubered almost 5 to 1. My armies in the regions surrounding mutsu aren't half as big as their army, but in a few more turns I'll gather more troops so that it will be nearly impossible for them to attack other regions, and I can start thinking of reconquering Mutsu. Btw, need to keep an eye on Echigo as well... how come the loyalty is so surprisingly low in this campaign? Taxes are still on 75%... :S
Situation in the south doesn't look that bad yet. Armies in Chikuezen, Nagato, Bungo and Chikugo seem like they can make a pretty tough defense now. I think I'll be attacking Buzen again next turn. Hizen will be harder. Their force there is pretty large... Seems like I have enough koku for now... so I build an archery dojo in both Aki and Harima, where I had castles but no troop-training stuff. I'll need more troops on the coastline soon, I'm afraid. Btw, some more good news. My daimyo finally arrived at the front. With him is Takazaki Suenaga. So, two generals that will add +2 honour. This will help, I think.
Uff da! A couple tough losses there, especially in Hizen. At least things went well in Chikugo and Nagato, though.
Losing Mutsu definitely stings! Here's hoping you can retake it before long. :sweatdrop:
03-05-2008, 08:39
Wasp
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
And a Dutch copy of the game? Never seen that before!
Anyway, good luck fighting those Mongols back to the mainland, Drisos!
03-05-2008, 13:44
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Turn #6:
Gah! I could have guessed. The mongols attack Chikuezen from both sides. I better should've moved in some more troops from Chikugo. Well, it's not that bad. Numbers are almost 3 to 4. We'll see.
Once again, I use a forest for my deploy. It's on a hill too, so my position should give an advagtage. I have 2 ranged units, position them left to the forest, guarded by 1 unit of YC. All YS and YA in the forest.
Again, they have brought a lot of infantry, and few cavalry. My initial ranged fire kills over 100 enemies. Then I have to protect my archers and rush in 2 YS, 2 YA, and my YC. The battles goes well, and I almost get a mass rout... Yet some of them still fought, and of course my h0 YA decided to run away... My YC was chashing routing infantry, but got caught by other infantry. One pleasant surprise though, one unit of YA actually defeated a unit of mongol light cavalry. I was astonished. Mine were h0. They had slight height-advantage, but still... I hadn't except them to defeat and rout mongol light cavalry. I get my two YS back in the forest, and pray that my YC will reorganize. Losses are almost equal now, still a good chance on winning this one.
Gah, appearantly I shouldn't have said that. Don't know why, but my remaining forces in the forest routed by the sight of their infantry coming. I have no clue why... I must be underestimating the impact on morale of seeing friends routing. Gah! Lost Chikuezen again. Though, kill ratio is ok: killed almost 300, lost almost 200.
Ha, in the north the rebels are trying to expand. They invade Hitachi with 132 men, I have 120. Should be simple. Though important. Hitachi is my of my troop-training regions. If I lose it dealing with the rebels will be lots harder.
I have 2 units of YS. At long distance I can recognize the enemy units. Ranged only. So again, I take cover deep in a forest.Their ranged fire kills only 20. Then, one unit comes close to the forest. I made a run for it, and caught it. Directly after I went after the other units. They were tired, so I caught them as well, and soon all routed. Killer almost 100, lost almost 50. Most important, I defended Hitachi.
Gah! This loyalty system is getting ridiculous. Echizen is red again. Moving in an army now tough, but might be too late. And worse, even Dewa red. While there was a 200-300 men army there. And remember, taxes are still 75%. I don't understand one bit of this. The way I recall the loyalty values is very different than this. Btw, Sado is yellow. Sado was never of any other clan then mine. And taxes are 75%. Combine those three and you have... something impossible? Really, I don't understand. When and where will these loyalty problems stop? Gah, gah, gah...
Still seems like I have more than enough money. I build 3 more castles. Inaba, Echizen and Dewa.
Oki, back to the south. Mongols have about 3 half stacks in their three regions. Time to attack again. Going for Buzen and Hizen same time now.
Ok, first is, attack on Buzen. They deployed in the forest, which is on a hill. I take my time and slowly move to their flank. Taking rest now and then to prevent fatigue. Eventually they leave their position to attack me. Their ranged fire is unorganized and weak. And his infantry combes one by one, instead of all at once. I easily defeat them using only 1 YS and 1 YC. However, a really good result is prevented by their cavalry. They charged, routed, routed through my archers and YC. One unit of YC was trying to block them. Lost 20, killed 5, with that. Ridiculous. I'm getting really pissed by the routing mongolian cav... The way they kill is ridiculous. Ah well... still, numersa are ok. Killed over 400, lost almost 100.
They retreat Hizen. That wasn't my plan. Now they have quite a large force in Chikuezen, which may be hard to defeat. I actually took less troops into Hizen because I was afraid of them retreating. So, plan failed.
Going well in the north. My army arrived in Echizen. May be in time to prevent revolts. Dewa is green again, and my forces have grown so much that the rebels can't expand anymore.
Archer dojo's finished in Aki and Harima. I fill up every training region with 6 units again.
Oki, arranged an attack on Chikuezen. Combining troops the best troops from 4 regions into a full stack.
Lol, weird stuff. The mongols aren't going to defend Chikuezen, - they're attacking! :S
First battle, defending Bungo: Almost equal numbers. I deploy as far to the east as possible, and when battle starts I deploy on the huge hill there. This time the mongols charged right away with their cavalry. But a very units of YS and some cav won easily. Pity tough, again, they routed through my units... Painful. However, what's left of their army is easily shot up and chased down. Simple battle. Killed 350, lost almost 150.
Ok, so I won. Win in Hizen now, and the campaign is probably over. Their leftover forces won't be a problem in attacking Chikuezen, I think. So... this one is important.
Deploying different than in my past battles in Hizen this time. I choose a hill to the Southeast, which is big enough for my 6 units of SA.
Gah, plan failed. Simple though. They run forward and engage.. and have more melee manpower then me. After a while of fighting here and there my line breaks and it causes a mass rout. Killed well over 100, lost over 200.
No army to defende Chikuezen, so I conquered it. They only have Hizen now. Not a large army, so I'm going to counterattack right away.
In the north, things are calm. No revolts coming up, building up forces slowly, so Mutsu can be attacked soon.
My three castles were ready. Time for three more archery dojo's.
Gah! More reinforcements. Izumo, almost full stack. I have almost no troops there, so I'll have to give the region away. Even if I win in Hizen now I'm far from done.
Ok, the Hizen battle. I almost outnumber them 2 to 1. So, I should win.
Hmm. I was a bit too hasty on the battle. I knew I was going to win anyway, etc. Wasn't motivated enough to micro-manage. Still an easy win though. Most of my kills weren by arrows. The rest routed. Killed over 400 lost almost 250. Of course, their remaining troops are gone as well. Again I had cavalry routing through my troops.
I start building a yari dojo in hizen now.
In Southern Honshu, there's decent armies in Hoki, Bingo and Iwami already. Expanding from Izumo will be hard. But attack it might be harder. They'll probably have mongolian heavy cavalry and such. But I think neither side winning or losing terrain is good as well. After all, I can expand in income and army size easier, because I own all of japan. Speaking of which... attacking Mutsu again now:
hmmm, looking at it again, the army in Hoki seems not that decent after all. aw well... I don't look forward to attacking Izumo anyway. will be nice to defeat their army partially in defending in stead of attacking.
03-05-2008, 21:35
Togakure
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Hehe, I was waiting to see what would happen when they landed on Honshu. Iirc, there are Heavy Mongol cav in that wave, and henceforth .... Good luck! I'm enjoying reading about your campaign.
03-06-2008, 03:31
Gregoshi
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
You are doing a great job of keeping the Mongols off balance Drisos. :thumbsup:
03-06-2008, 03:51
Xehh II
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Awesome
03-06-2008, 04:11
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Excellent ~:)
03-06-2008, 13:44
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Thanks for all support/compliments!! :embarassed:
:bow:
Here's more ~:)
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Turn #10:
Oki, conquering Mutsu now. Advantage in numers: 3 to 2. Ideal scenario is causing a mass rout. The less we have to fight, the better, because they have nowhere to run to, anyway.
I use the classic formation for my army: archers in first line, infantry in second, cavalry on the flanks.
As expected, the rebels deploy on the big hill close to the edge of the map. I take my time, slowly move to their right flank. If I get on the hill too they won't have the advantage...
Gah... well, I'm not sure to be happy with the result. Killed over 600, lost almost 350. Didn't mange to cause that mass-rout. :( As planned I positioned at their flank. Of course the reaction was turning towards me and starting ranged fire. Didn't kill many though. I sent my cavalry round their now exposed left flank, which was very succesful. Only engaged two SA, but the main point was that their infantry was wandering around instead of attacking my archers/infantry. I hoped to mass rout them later by a charge from two sides (infantry at the front, cavalry at the back). It worked partially, but a few units put up hell of a resistance, a few YC units got caught in battle with their YS general unit. Though completely surrounded it fought to the death instead of routing.. that has cost me a lot.
Well, good news, we're back in control of Mutsu. +600 denarii...
Now let's kick some mongols again. :) They didn't attack Hoki, which I expected. Too bad. Well, only thing is do is attack. In my experience I know no remedy for monoglian heavy cavalry. I'm not even expecting to win the upcoming battle, yet I will try to make as many kills as possible. I'll take lots of archers. They've become a sort of insurance for many kills for me lately.
Looks good. 950 vs. over 600. My army is mainly SA and YC. Good weather, first though is 'go go go', but just as I hit the 'attack' button, something came to mind. Thunderbombers! They probably is/are one ore more units of them in this army. And I recall how dangerous they can be. (Seen them kill others units for 90% with just 1 good volley) Well... I'll just have to make sure they won't be able to get a clean shot...
I'll keep writing while fighting this battle. ~:) Text may seem strange because of that.
Ah! I thought Izumo would be new for me, but I've fought here before, for sure.
Using classic lineup again. From far distance I count 2 or 3 units of thunderbombers. Scary. See some skirmishers and heavy cavalry too. Did I already mention this was going to be tough? :S
Gah, well the closer I get the worse it seems. Their infantry has moved to a forest on my right flank, while their cavalry has positioned in the northwest(from my point of view). 6 units of heavy cavalry.(!) I have no clue how to beat those. Well, we'll see.
Taking long pauses between walks to decrease fatigue. I've moved back to the center and then forward, taking the same hill his cavalry is on. They allow it. I'll keep taking higher ground till they get within firing range.
Hmm. Appears they also had some korean melee infantry and 1 unit of light cavalry in the woods, near their heavy cavalry. I killed the korean infantry to the last man with my cavalry. Now pushing forward to shoot down their light cavalry..
Hmm, again. seems like I wasn't paying attention. Another unit appears in to have been hiding in that forest. Thunderbombers. Their light cavalry have back off for now, so I'll start shooting these guys.
Hmmm, that went fine. Thunderbombers and light cavalry within shooting range at the same time. The cavalry tried a charge. (Fools! With 40 men at my entire army. They rout, and I send my cavalry to finish his thunderbombers. His heavy cav still leaning back, and no sign of the rest of his infantry.
Oki, went well, thunderbombers got in one half shot, killed 15-20 cavalry, but then they were soon slain to the last man. Taking another rest now, before moving on. Correction, no their skirmishers are approaching. (Why are they sending suicide missions one by one? :S) They'll be short work for a cav charge.
Indeed, short work. Lost 2, killed all. Next suicide mission is the thunderbombers that initially hade been hiding in the same forest with that skirmishers. This time, lost 0, killed all. Last up is another unit of thunderbombers. If I'm not mistaking I'll only have to deal with their heavy cavalry once I've taken care of that unit.
This one managed to throw a few bombs. Killed only 4 though. Their unit was of course down to the last man. Now lets rest some more and push forward to get into firing ranged with those heavy cavalry units. I'm not sure to be happy about his position. At the back of the forest in the corner of the map. I'm sending my yari samurai in the forest now. They should get a great advantage from that. Downside is that my archers can't kill many.
Hmmm. AI is acting overly suicidal this battle. They don't react at all. I have used up any arrow that my archers had brought, killing about half of their cavalry. Still, they don't react. Time for a massive charge.
Total victory! They may be strong, but not that strong. Trapped in the forest, completely outnumbered, they were actually quite simple to defeat. Of course, if the AI would've handled this battle in a normal way, things would've been different.
So, total victory! Managed to kick out the rebels just in time, hehe. :P
***
I don't recall winning this one on expert before. In fact, I do recall giving up on beating the mongols several times, so I'm happy that I made it this time.
Any comments/tips/idea's/strategies/whatever? ~:)
Hmmm, hard choice for my next campaign. I could try as the mongols. But I don't like the idea of Japan losing to Mongolia because of me. :embarassed: Hmmm, back to Sengoku Jidai, then. ~:)
:book:
03-06-2008, 17:09
Gregoshi
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Victory in under 3 years. Impressive Drisos. :bow: I don't recall if I ever played MI as the Hojo. You played quite aggressively which is the way to go. I don't know if I could have played that aggressively though. I think I'd be more defensive being somewhat intimidated by the Mongol cavalry.
Good game! Thanks for posting it. :thumbsup:
03-06-2008, 17:35
Martok
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Indeed. Those were some impressive victories, Drisos. Well done! :bow:
03-07-2008, 00:39
thip
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Amazing..and on expert level...well done Drisos.
03-07-2008, 01:08
Xehh II
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
You should do one from the mongol side as well, that would be sweet.
03-07-2008, 08:53
Martok
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
You should do one from the mongol side as well, that would be sweet.
Gah! Playing as the Mongols is enough to tax one's sanity. I gave up on them after my first few attempts. :wall:
03-07-2008, 10:40
Xehh II
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Gah! Playing as the Mongols is enough to tax one's sanity. I gave up on them after my first few attempts. :wall:
I did it on normal, of course I'm not a great cavalry commander so I autoed most of my battles.
03-07-2008, 11:37
Dexter
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Nice to see there are people whom still enjoy playing this masterpiece :2thumbsup: :hippie: :bow:
Thanx for posting it Drisos.
03-07-2008, 12:08
Wasp
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Congratulations, Drisos! Was fun reading it!
03-07-2008, 18:22
Martok
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
I did it on normal, of course I'm not a great cavalry commander so I autoed most of my battles.
What bugs me is that you have no control over your reinforcements. Time, place, numbers, unit types, etc., are all determined by the game. I'm sure that many simply look upon that as a challenge and enjoy it as such, but personally it drives me nuts!
03-08-2008, 04:31
Wasp
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Ah Martok, that irritates me too, especially on bridge battles where the enemy reinforcements would just appear on my side of the map - a place their original force strived to get to!
It would've been nice, yeah..
03-08-2008, 07:12
Martok
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
Ah Martok, that irritates me too, especially on bridge battles where the enemy reinforcements would just appear on my side of the map - a place their original force strived to get to!
It would've been nice, yeah..
Actually, I was referring to the Mongols' inability to control their reinforcements on the campaign map. ~;p
Your point is valid as well, however -- it's one of the few things in the game that I really wish would've been improved. ~:)
03-08-2008, 11:22
Wasp
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Actually, I was referring to the Mongols' inability to control their reinforcements on the campaign map. ~;p
Your point is valid as well, however -- it's one of the few things in the game that I really wish would've been improved. ~:)
Oh, right :tumbleweed:
Well it was very late.. :beam:
03-09-2008, 00:11
ReluctantSamurai
Mongol Invasion Campaign
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Ah Martok, that irritates me too, especially on bridge battles where the enemy reinforcements would just appear on my side of the map - a place their original force strived to get to!
I do believe there is a patch to fix this issue.
There's always the historical camps, Drisos:idea2:
Several of them present quite a good challenge:2thumbsup:
03-09-2008, 03:28
Spongie
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
...especially on bridge battles where the enemy reinforcements would just appear on my side of the map - a place their original force strived to get to!
Though it's quite fun once their main force has routed, you cross over to their side and fleeing units which entered the battlefield on your original side have to cross the bridge to rout off it. Right into your warrior monks. Crunch! :smash: :2thumbsup:
03-09-2008, 21:36
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Thank you all for nice reactions, and mostly thanks for reading! It was a pleasure playing the campaign. ~:)
I'm still in doubt which one to try next. Might try mongols, though I still don't like the idea. Well, I have time to think. No time for gaming this week anyway. :embarassed:
:bow:
03-09-2008, 22:07
caravel
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Gah! Playing as the Mongols is enough to tax one's sanity. I gave up on them after my first few attempts. :wall:
I've won the mongol campaign at least three times on the hard difficulty, never tried it on expert though. Personally I don't find it that difficult if you get off to a good start. I usually attack with the mongol units and defend with the korean ones where possible.
03-10-2008, 02:24
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Gah! Playing as the Mongols is enough to tax one's sanity. I gave up on them after my first few attempts. :wall:
All of the mongol troops are good though, and their cavalry is simply devestating.
03-10-2008, 12:31
TosaInu
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Yes, they are good.
All mongol forces are ashigaru though, that means that they are more prone to routing. Of course, the MHC (Mongol Heavy Cavalry) doesn't rout quickly. It has a high morale and very good combat.
The infantry isn't as though as the Japanese one. The cavalry is far superior, the infantry is less good. It's far from worthless though and can deal a blow.
The thunderbomber can be devastating and Korean skirmishers are best on hold/hold imho.
A tactic that usually works is to deploy your infantry out of harms way, skirmishers on hold at the front, deploy the MHC behind that or on the flank and send the MLC (Mongol Light Cavalry) forward to sting, provoke and wear out.
Remember that the MLC is a fast unit that can do decent melee too, hit and run charges on missiles work great.
March the infantry/MHC body up after some minutes. The skirmishers will throw their javelins and the Japanese will attack. Move the MHC around and backstab.
03-10-2008, 15:01
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
My tactic is generally:
Make a line of infantry with a line of cavalry in front
When you get close to enemy, charge the cavalry into some ranged units
charge the infantry in behind targetting their yari samurai
If you time it right the ranged units rout just as your infantry is hitting the flanks of theirs. Instant rout, chase them down and kill them. It helps that the mongol heavy cav can probably rout a unit of yari samurai on their own.
The rebellions are what bug me most. I'm the frickin mongols, can't I slaughter a few cities and scare everyone into accepting our rule?
03-10-2008, 18:10
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Drisos you made me reinstall shogun :wall:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
:2thumbsup:
I'll add my campaign here (expert, normal settings etc). First I have to say I'd forgotten how awesome the ashigaru crossbowman are:
This was defense of Buzen first round. I put my archers, YS, and YA in the woods and the crossbowmen on the hill (as you can see). I'd concentrate all fire on a single unit and rout it, starting a chain rout. The morale truly is the weakness of the mongol troops. Of course since I couldn't chase them down they kept coming back and getting shot again. Good battle.
They invaded Chikugo, but I'd foolishly left only three units there, trying to concentrate some force in Higo. I figured taking it back would be bloody so I sacraficed the three units there. Killed 110 lost 180. I figured I'd be looking at a worse ratio assaulting it.
Defense of Hizen was a fun battle. Ashigaru crossbowmen did well. Like Drisos I concentrated my main force in the woods at the center position. I was foolish with my cavalry archers though, didn't realize I'd need them to chase the enemy down. The enemy rallied at least 8 times and had fresh reinforcements at one point, but they never charged en masse and I was able to focus on individual units and rout them.
The three ronin provinces were taken without consequence. I built a few troops port provinces.
Attack! I think the selected unit ended up being sent to Chikugo instead. Chikugo I thought would be tough but ended up easy. They had 5-6 infantry and 5-6 light cav. I had 5 archers, 5 ys, 1 ya, 1 crossbow, 1 yari cav. I sent the ashi units over as bait, they routed, sent them again. Shot down 1.5 infantry units in the process. Sent my yari cav over and ran them in a big loop around the enemy. They chased with three units. Sent the yari same over and engaged the three remaining infantry. Sent the archers in behind. Yari cav finished their loop, wove through a couple mongol units and slammed into the back of the enemy line. Rout.
Second defense of Hizen. Enemy engaged in archery war. Enemy lost badly. This time used CA to chase effectively. My general was rank 2 now which made it easy.
Assault on Chikuzen. Outnumbered them three to one. Easy victory.
This scared me. Thought that reinforcements were on there way. But I got the victory screen next turn.
03-10-2008, 18:27
Wasp
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Wow, that's one short campaign!
03-10-2008, 19:03
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Short and sweet ~:)
Drisos, as I recall there's a "bug" where routing units get a charge bonus. Since mongol cav have a good charge they can indeed cut you up.
I wonder if your mutsu problems were a result of moving your daimyo over to kyushu. I think distance from daimyo is factored in. I didn't move mine over there in my campaign, also I assaulted the castle right away.
I played a mongol campaign before this one, but it's not as fun. I enjoy slaughtering the hojo with my cavalry and the thunder bombers/skirmirshers are cool but the campaign has some annoying features. Rebellion after rebellion, reinforcements arriving randomly. My first year of reinforcements was a single unit of mongol heavy cav. My second was a single unit of korean guardsman. Bizarre since I'd looted plenty. Ended up autocalcing to a finish. While I was fighting in Shinano I got three stacks of reinforcements in Hizen :wall:
Oh well, the hojo campaign is a lot of fun.
03-10-2008, 21:06
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
:dizzy2:
I thought my campaign went quite well, but now you kick them within a year! :dizzy2: :embarassed: Very impressive to beat three full stacks in just a few battles! :2thumbsup: :book:
I wonder, why are the Ashigaru's Crossbowmen so good? They fire slower it seems, but if you use up their ammo they've killed more than when you do with a unit of SA. :dizzy2:
I recall loads of rebellions too, in the mongol campaign. Indeed the people probably didn't like mongols. But, the mongols would've simply slaughtered the entire population to make sure no one rebelled.. :skull:
I'll go try it sometime. Yet, will have to wait for a week or so.
03-10-2008, 21:29
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Well, if you'd chosen to defend buzen and hadn't gotten that mutsu rebellion you might have done so as well.
03-11-2008, 00:54
Martok
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Very cool, Sasaki. I congratulate you on your victory over the invaders! ~:cheers:
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I played a mongol campaign before this one, but it's not as fun. I enjoy slaughtering the hojo with my cavalry and the thunder bombers/skirmirshers are cool but the campaign has some annoying features. Rebellion after rebellion, reinforcements arriving randomly. My first year of reinforcements was a single unit of mongol heavy cav. My second was a single unit of korean guardsman. Bizarre since I'd looted plenty. Ended up autocalcing to a finish. While I was fighting in Shinano I got three stacks of reinforcements in Hizen :wall:
Oh well, the hojo campaign is a lot of fun.
That's precisely what I was referring to when I said I don't like playing as the Mongols. Reinforcements are too unpredictable -- you never know what you'll get, nor how much. (I'd actually forgotten about all the rebellions til you mentioned them just now.) :thumbsdown:
03-12-2008, 13:41
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Ok. Going for a Mongols vs. Hojo campaign now. Wish me luck! :book:
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Here's the story.
- The Mongol Horde vs. Hojo
- Expert.
- Conquer all regions.
- Standard unit size: 60.
- Morale, fatigue, restricted camera and limited ammunition on.
- Time limit off.
03-12-2008, 13:57
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Turn #1:
The Hojo do a desperate attempt to defend Chikuezen. Well... they don't stand a chance of course. I used only my 8 units of Light Cavalry actually. Lost 27, killed 552. Very easy win. Two of my units gain +1 honour.
Attacking Hizen now. Would be nice to take it, because it will keep them from sending in reinforcements by port. It will slow their reinforcements. :balloon2: Oh, btw, I'm leaving korean spear guys at home, don't want to give the Hojo extra armies by rebellion already..
Of course, some reinforcements arrived in Hizen while I attacked. Outnumbered 2 to 1. Should still be winnable though. I only need to rout them. The rest will probably we trapped in the castle. ~:)
Used the same tricks as used in Chikuezen. Attack lonely YS units from three sides, charge lonely SA and AC and YA. My Cavalry does all the work. Eventually the leftovers of his army mass rout and I chase down the remaining units. I regroup in the centre of the map, and take a rest while Hojo reinforcements arrive.
Their second wave is defeated very easily. Some YS try to engage, but they rout after a volley of my skirmishers. My cavalry once again chases loads of them down. Another easy win. Killed 977, lost 102.
My general is now 2 star. Good news. ~:) Most of my remaining cavalry now has h3. ~:)
Invading Chikugo now. Loyalty in Hizen and Chikuezen seems fine.
The battle in Chikugo was another easy one. They had more men, but their general messed up. They allowed us to cross the bridge unharmed. Then I moved my cavalry to the sides of their army. It split up, making it simple for me to attack YS units from front and behind the same time, instantly routing them. Killed 207, almost all. Lost 11.
The Hojo don't have defensive armies ready. But problem is, if I keep expanding now I'll have too few troops to keep loyalty high enough. I'll have to wait for reinforcements... :embarassed:
Moving 1 korean spear unit to Chikugo for loyalty purposes..
Ha! Reinforcements. In Hizen, Buzen, Nagato and Iwami. In Buzen the Hojo give up. Nagato and Iwami didn't even have a single Hojo unit. So, new territoy. Moving some from Nagato into Iwami, some from Buzen into Nagato, the reinforcements from Hizen to Chikugo. I'm attacking Bungo with the army from Chikugo, and some from Chikuezen and Buzen. Looking good for now, though in some time numerous Hojo reinforcements should arrive.
Ah! The Hojo attacked Buzen. Yet, the fight in Bungo was resolved first. So if I win in Buzen, it'll be seppuku for all of them. :balloon2: (I won easily in Bungo, they decided to retreat when I came close. Managed to catch one unit of AC, killed 57, lost 0.)
Gah! Too simple. They only bring 4 ranged units. My 3 light cavalry units make short work of those. Killed 227, lost 10.
No further attacks planned right now. Maybe next turn.
Lots of reinforcements are arriving in Aki. I send some troops from Nagato to Iwami, but still It will be hard to hold if they attack. Let's hope for reinforcements from my side as well...
Attacking Higo now. Overall loyalty still seems ok.
Attacking Higo was very simple. The Hojo didn't keep their army together, making it very easy to rout single units by attacking from the rear. This way I killed almost the entire army. Killed 298 (2 of them survived), lost 7.
The Hojo attacked Iwami, as I expected. I'm not sure what to do. It's about 600 vs. 1500. It could be done, but it's hard.
Ah, I won! ~:) Again, Mongol Cavalry did most of the work. I lost pretty much of them though. Ah well, lets hope we get some new from reinforcements. ~:)
Ah. Reinforcements at last. In Nagato and Iwami. Including my first thunderbombers and Heavy Cavalry! :book: I can now make a pretty rough defense in Iwami. :yes: :whip:
Attacking Satsuma now. It's a troop training region so will be good to take it.
Time for the bad news. Sudden loyalty drop on the southern island. I'm retreating from Satsuma, in an attempt to prevent revolts in all other regions. (I'll give up on Satsuma for now. I destroyed the dojo's now anyway.)
More bad news, lots of Hojo reinforcements arrived in Bingo.
You might want to burn that port in aki when you can.
03-14-2008, 10:12
Wasp
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
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Originally Posted by Drisos
Btw, Wasp, on the dutch copy. I have Warlord Edition, and bought it in a Free Record Shop. Probably somewhere in 2003 or so.
(Misschien dat 'Genomen hoofden' nogal vreemd klinkt als je er niet aan gewend bent? :beam: )
Hehe, I bought an English version of Warlords (or Gold? Should check the box), but I had never seen a Dutch version before :beam:
03-14-2008, 17:24
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Turn #12:
Easy battle in Hyuga. They retreated when I came close. I was fast enough to catch a unit of YA though. Killed 59, lost 2.
Seems like loyalty is going to be fine next turn. However, I cannot expand without more reinforcements. Does loyalty ever get gradually better in this campaign? :dizzy2:
Btw, following Sasaki's advice: I attack Aki. Cav only, lol. ~:) Will be nice to burn the port. Daddy Khan may send some more reinforcements in return. :balloon2:
Gah. I retreated in Aki. They sent in reinforcements by sea, and I was outnumbered over 3:1... :embarassed: I'll just sit and wait till they meet their death in attacking Iwami.
Loyalty looking ok again. I wonder what does actually trigger reinforcements? If it's conquering, I see no way to win this campaign... I don't have much possibilities to expand right now. :sweatdrop:
Loyalty looks good! Somewhere soon I might actually start getting troops out of regions like Hizen, Chikugo, etc. ~:)
So, time to attack... Satsuma again. With 4 units of Light cavalry. Should be easy. After that I'll get Osumi and if loyalty stays this well I can move almost my entire armies to Bungo and to the Western front. (Nagato+Iwami)
The Hojo give up in Satsuma. They're trapped in the castle now. ~:)
The Hojo aren't moving around a lot in the east. Seems like 60 new men arrive in Aki each turn. They have more than enough men for an attack on Iwami, but they're just standing there, doing nothing. :dizzy2:
Gah, I wish I could write more then a few lines each turn. But it's just, nothing at all is happening. :embarassed: There's no action. :wall:
Good news though. reinforcements arrived. In Iwami. The Iwami army is now a full stack. A very strong army. Yet, I hope not too strong, it would be nice if the Hojo attacked me instead of the other way around.
You can see that his forces in Aki have grown quite much over the last turns. :embarassed: I wonder if my strategy is too defensive. Maybe it's good, because he's losing terrain (and thereby; income) and his forces are increasing. He might actually start running out of money if this continues for a while?
They close in until my light cavalry start firing. Sadly they didn't come close enough to let my korean ranged units take a shot.. aw well. After some engagements on the flanks with my heavy cav, his leftover army is a chaos, and there's not much to stop my cavalry. So, I rush in my light cavalry. Now all of his 1st wave is routing. Chasing them down now. I might retreat my Heavy Cav to keep them from tiring too much. There'll be 2 more waves maybe.
Luckily, their reinforements are a mess. One-by-one slaughter instead of a second wave. Tried to take a screen of thunderbombers firing on some... kinda missed.
Trying to keep my army together. I'm losing way too much this battle. Expensive losses! A unit of CA routed through my thunderbombers, leaving only 9 alive. I lost lots of HC agains the first wave. And CA and other ranged are going to take some kills in the last stage of battle probably.
Here I just sent a unit of HC to kill another of those lonely reinforcement units..
Victory at last! I had a comp crash two days ago, had to reinstall STW. Because of that, time limit was on. (Btw, another thing, I forget to patch to 1.02. Now I have cavalry units with over 48 men. I'm afraid that might cause trouble if I went back to 1.02. So I'll finish this campaign on v1.0.)They ran out of time. I killed pretty much all of their army though. Should give me some space in the West for now.
Attacking Aki now, with 2 Light and 2 Heavy Cavalry. I hope they don't invade Iwami this turn too, that would make things problematic. Main goal is to destroy the port and gain the money from that. I'm not sure If I'll hold on to Aki for now. Will have to keep looking at loyalty.
Holy crap, you'd think 2500 kills would leave a dent but they have almost a full stack still.
03-20-2008, 18:02
Gregoshi
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Ahem. Sneaky Drisos! Editing your post, eh? For those wondering what I've been smoking with my "AND???!!!" post, when I read the Turn #21 post, it ended at "There'll be 2 more waves maybe." I was on the edge of me seat and BAM, the post ended in mid-battle.
Nice battle though! Let's hope for more reinforcements.
03-20-2008, 18:32
Drisos
Re: Mongol Invasion Campaign
Ah, sorry Gregoshi. ~;p I usually write my post during the turn, in this case, during battle. Pause+Write > Play > Pause+Write, etc. ~;) I hit the 'submit' button a bit too early, so it took an edit to finish the post. ~;)
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Turn #22:
Wow! This attack on Aki had surprisingly cool effect! :2thumbsup: Their Daimyo moved into Aki, making the battle 240 vs. 313. I must say that my cavalry was devastating in this battle! The Hojo moved to my deploy on a small hill (while they were defending!), I started firing. The only units that approached were a YS unit and a YA unit. His daimyo and ranged units stayed behind. I attack both Yari units from front and rear the same time, after some movement. Both rout, and his Hamamoto moves in. I managed to do the same to that one. The die surprisingly soon, including Mr. Hojo himself. The leftover Ashigaru Crossbowmen are an easy prey for my cavalry... I even manage to kill most of their CA unit with my light cavalry. ~:) Killed 303, lost 23. This conquer gave me a nice amount of koku too. ~:) Going well, I'd say. ~:)
So, their Daimyo is killed. I wonder, how much heirs does he have? And most of all, where is Takazaki Suenaga? He was in western Honshu before the attack on Iwami. I recall that I killed the attacking general in Iwami, but I'm not sure if it was him. I don't see him anywhere now, so good chance that it was him. So, killed their two best generals + two family members in two turns. Not to mention the severe losses they took!
Btw, looking at the map, it's quite impossible that Suenaga is still alive. Because, their armies have 1 star or less generals. Formerly he could've been in the same army with his Daimyo which would've caused him to be invisible, but the Daimyo's army is now trapped in the Aki castle.
I'm surrendering Aki for now. If I place a large enough army there to maintain loyalty, the Hojo army in Bingo can outnumber me, by attacking in Iwami or Aki. They won't get new units by revolt anyway, because they have men left in the castle, and the region will be theirs again, by default.
Plans... wait for reinforcements, lower the garrisons in Kyushu to 60 men and invade Shikuko.
