Medieval 2 in the News

A Norwegian newspaper uses Med 2 as a reference in an article about a supposed female pope back in the day. Apparently, there's gonna be made a movie about her based on some historic novel. The delectable Franka Potente
will play Pope Joan.

http://www.dagbladet.no/magasinet/20...16/506371.html

I can speak quite weak Swedish, it´s little different from Norwegian (don´t ask me the differences :laugh4: ) So i think i know what they said in that, maybe :laugh4:
Mostly quessing but it´s something ^^

I remember hearing about a Pope that turned out be a female. Some show/documentary on all the Popes I saw some years ago. She reigned for only a year or two before she died. According to the show they didnt discover he was a she until she actually died. I guess they discovered it while preparing the body. Supposedly the vatican wiped out all knowledge and historical traces of her and just pretended it and she never happened. This was way back in Medieval times when such things could be easily covered up without people knowing it. It'd be interesting to know if its true or not. Talk about a cover up. :laugh4:

Reminds me a little of Hatshepsut from Egypt. Once she declared herself Pharoah, she became, to all intents and purposes, a man. After she died, the Egyptians tried to wipe all memory of her from history. Even defacing the Hieroglyphs depicting her.
I'm willing to believe that the Cardinals knew about this also, and have done their best to "muddy the waters" so's to speak. A female pope behaving as a man would not be a disgrace, more a dirty secret. But to let the commoners know would be unthinkable.
It had obviously been going on for a long time before the Vatican became involved in this sort of behaviour.

Right. Is this another urban legend, or is there some proof of this?

I don't have a dog in this fight, being a Deist. But still, something about this story reeks of urban legend.

Being a history student, I'd say it's more than a urban legend. There has been some books written on the topic (serious books, not harry potter style).

It's NOT proven, of course, the church ROCKS at hiding stuff.... But plenty of things points to the theorys correctness.

Lol, Pope Fiction, oh so clever. I couldn't actually understand the article though, being in the bork bork language and all that.
Sounds even a little bit more scandalous than the Da Vinci Code.

Yes, and we all know how factual the Da Vinci code was. :laugh4:

Next: The true account of Arnold Schwartzenegger's The Sixth Day, based upon actual passages from the Bible.

Forgive me, I'm skeptical about anything that has to do with organized religion.

Maybe I should just shut my big yap.

EDIT: All in good fun, guys. Just kidding around.

askthepizzaguy, when reading about the church from a historical perspective I see them as a political institution. Being atheist as I am, I still find interest in teh church from that perspective.

Another thing for my shame list maybe, I have a very hard time taking religious people seriosly. At the back of my mind I guess I consider them fooled.

Anyway, I am in NO way saying there has been a female pope, there has been some theories about it, but as I said nothing has been proved.

wammer, if you found teh da vince code scandalous read "holy blood, holy grail", that's the facts and theorys teh da vince code was based upon.

No matter where you stand in the debate, it's a good read, interesting theories and makes you think:)


Edit: askthepizzaguy, dont diss the da vinci code's theories till you have read holy blood holy grail.... That is like dissing buddhism after having read winnie the poh....

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Yes, and we all know how factual the Da Vinci code was. :laugh4:

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I never actually read it, but it got everyone in a big hubub and all their screaming and shouting over a fiction book. This is about a Female Pope, sounds a little more into the deep end.

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askthepizzaguy, when reading about the church from a historical perspective I see them as a political institution. Being atheist as I am, I still find interest in teh church from that perspective.

Another thing for my shame list maybe, I have a very hard time taking religious people seriosly. At the back of my mind I guess I consider them fooled.

Anyway, I am in NO way saying there has been a female pope, there has been some theories about it, but as I said nothing has been proved.

wammer, if you found teh da vince code scandalous read "holy blood, holy grail", that's the facts and theorys teh da vince code was based upon.

No matter where you stand in the debate, it's a good read, interesting theories and makes you think:)

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Oh boy, lol

I had hoped to avoid this discussion, but here we are. Just kidding, I enjoy it.

Because the following is only tangentially related to the topic, I have taken the liberty of putting spoiler alerts around it. Thus your thread has not been hijacked. Only click here if you wish to read my philosophy. (See? You can share ideas without pushing them on people who don't want to hear it)

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I am also interested in the church from a historical, cultural, and political perspective. I even consider most of their moral codes to be valid. My parents are Christian but not churchgoers.

I consider almost any religious view to be somewhat plausible. Science can explain much, but it does not explain existence or consciousness or what happens to our ego when we die. That said, I don't find blind faith to be particularly valid. If you have no reason to believe there is a leprechaun inside a box that will never be opened, then you should not either believe or disbelieve in it, only consider both as a possibility. Faith and reason can coexist, but both must yield to one another when necessary.

You have no way of knowing whether or not a stranger will treat you as a friend or an enemy. But you should have faith in humanity and not automatically treat them as an enemy. Even if experience has shown you that some people are untrustworthy.

By that same token, reason should kick in and tell you to be cautious. Life is a balance of the knowable and the unknowable.

I take the religious, the secular, and the agnostic seriously, so long as they maintain their ability to reason and do not take a militaristic or extremist stance on any issue. No matter what your opinions are, be they spiritual or not, you have no right to force others to accept your view. The only exceptions are the things which are obvious and can be proven using science, which falls under the category of reasonable morality, such as commonly held views that murder, theft, or rape are wrong.

Personally, I am a Deist; a believer in "God", but I have no holy book or church, my faith is my own opinion and thus equal to everyone else's, and my personal God is whatever the observable truth is. If for example your church believes that sacrificing virgins will bring better crops, I tend to think that goes against intuitive logic based upon observations of the real world. I'd even go as far as to say your religion should be outlawed, as it involves forcing your belief (and death, incidentally) upon the unwilling.

Generally speaking, I try to harness all the good points that religion can bring; faith in mankind, community, shared values, an optimistic vision of the future, and morality.

I try to leave out the bad, such as condemnation, hell, purgatory, declaring a "chosen people", burning heretics, jihads, inquisitions, crusades, crucifixions, animal sacrifice, genital mutilation, ritual suicide, murder in the name of God, institutionalized racism, and wars based upon which of a Prophet's descendants was the true heir to his legacy.

All in all, I attempt to take the middle road, and allow the truth itself to be my guide.

And in my spare time I role play as a brutal, godless dictator who exterminates people. How Machiavellian!

no woman I ever met would consent to wear that silly hat

LOL.

I can't believe you wrote that:

Some time ago, right after I got M2:TW, I asked my wife (inspired by constantly lobbying for Crusades, no doubt) what would be the first thing she would change if she was appointed the Pope. (We're both Atheist, so I expected something like disbanding the church or making all the clergy women)

She just said: "The Hat".

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