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Prediction - the boris govt will not ignore the standard lynton crosby advice - as theresa may's did - of boiling the issues down to a select few messages to the exclusion of all else.
in his words: clear the barnacles of the hull.
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It could still all be delayed again.
I'm not sure what to do, to be honest.
Maybe Monster Raving Loony Party.
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Either people vote on one issue and we end up with a government in power for years based on one issue, or else people choose based on the whole manifesto (assuming that the parties bother to have one) and then we're back to politicians not representing their constituents on the most salient issue.
Of course, the one thing we can guarantee is no attempt at root and branch reform of our democratic system.
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There will absolutely be reform, the speaker of the house and the supreme court have been used against the executive in a political manner and the LD's election limits have caused this mess to be so protracted. The next government will find limiting and/or removing them to ensure they arent used so again a priority
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There will absolutely be reform, the speaker of the house and the supreme court have been used against the executive in a political manner and the LD's election limits have caused this mess to be so protracted. The next government will find limiting and/or removing them to ensure they arent used so again a priority
You want yet more centralisation of power under the executive. As if Johnson and Cummings haven't been abusing said power as exists currently. I look forward to a future government which is not to your liking, which will then wield such power as you want to give Johnson just because the latter is enacting Brexit.
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They have only been in place a month or so now, how have they managed to abuse their power?
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You want yet more centralisation of power under the executive. As if Johnson and Cummings haven't been abusing said power as exists currently. I look forward to a future government which is not to your liking, which will then wield such power as you want to give Johnson just because the latter is enacting Brexit.
There is no want, merely an is.
The trust in impartiality has been betrayed, the taboo broken. Noone in the running will tolerate a power remaining un limited after being abused such, tory, labor, lib dem, green, snp, it matters not, none of them will risk being the subject of a repeat performance. Once a majority government assumes power they will waste no time crushing the institutes that took advantage of a moment of weakness
As the remainers like to parrot without understanding, parliament is sovereign, and thanks to the neutering of the house of lords noone has the power to stop them. You should thank Blair for that one.
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It's going to be interesting to say the least.
It looks like Labour has already shot it's foot off by attempting to include 16 year olds and foreign nationals in the franchise. Clueless of how this looks to the electorate. It smacks of we know we can't win so we'll screw over the British public. Great look guys, well done.
As for the Lib Dems......vote for us because we will ignore your vote if we don't like the outcome. Ditto.
The there's the Tories. Boris dead in a ditch, if we've not left the EU come Halloween. Again just Foxtrot Oscar.
Brexit party here we come.
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Never understood that prediction, why would boris be punished for us being in past haloween when the reason for it is the delaying of our zombie parliament?
If anything would hurt him surely it would be the reheating of the chequers deal, not that.
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I think Boris will be fine. He is a quick learner and realises that histrionics and grand gestures matters more than keeping his word.
I think few if any will vote Brexit party since under FPTP second place counts for nothing - and why take the risk? So tactical voting for the Tories.
The Government managed to soldier on with a minority. The checks and balances were in fact pretty toothless barring the media spectacle - they managed to marginally alter policy. In fact, even when the PM decides to massively reduce his own party he still remained and didn't loose command of the House. The Courts came in on a very specific matter and even this was viewed as momentous. The Monarch did nothing either.
To be seen to crush the almost cosmetic checks and balances would I think be the wrong move.
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A consideration but I dont think it will stay thier hand, particularly in the case of the supreme court. A unanimous verdict against the government in the face of the high court's decision that it was a political issue not legal, combined with the posturing of the most visible of the judges against the prime minister, combined again with the Court being a recent imposition on the british legal system, one pushed by the lib dems... Well, I dont think its likely that will be able to continue should we see a conservative majority.
I could be wrong of course, what with the return of chequers I am less sure of what goes through boris and cumming's heads these days. At the very least, we definitely will see the power of snap elections return to the prime minister.
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...The Monarch did nothing either....
I thought that was the Monarch's job, "constitutionally."
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I thought that was the Monarch's job, "constitutionally."
Indeed. And it creates a situation where when things get bad we have no backstop. The Lords has also been hobbled and there is no clear place for the Judiciary to be involved either. Everyone covering their own backsides and entitlements rather than worrying about the future of the country. The same can be seen in Northern Ireland - all the politicians taking a salary although not even pretending to do anything. No mechanism to dissolve and reboot.
Personally I am a monarchist with a small M, so to speak - I think that they are a better solution than the elected Presidents I have seen in my lifetime at least. So whilst I would not wish to see a return to the Star Courts but I think there must be improvements that can be made.
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Actually, one of the drawbacks to a USA-style presidency is that the President and Vice President are saddled with a surprising number of ceremonial duties that have little to do with executive decision-making etc. Some of those serve political purpose, but others are somewhat extraneous -- the White House visit for the current championship team of X sport for example. You lot have your royals to grace most ceremonial occasions at least somewhat easing the burden of such to the government.
On the other hand, there is nothing really equivalent to a "veto" in your system. While a one-vote majority running roughshod across your legal system is unlikely (party loyalty is more powerful in the UK than the USA, but seldom THAT cohesive), the potentiality does exist for that and the Lords and the Monarch, the other "branches" of your system of governance are quite secondary. And, as I understand it, your Supreme Court can rule against a decision/action of government, but that ruling could be entirely undercut by the passage of an Act by the Commons -- as there is no officially promulgated "highest authority" as our Constitution serves as for the USA.