One finally point is the traveller's log, for the sake of consistency, should be written in the third person.
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One finally point is the traveller's log, for the sake of consistency, should be written in the third person.
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Both parts should be fixed now, I restructured most phrases for a smoother read :P
As for the British vs US conventions, I probably don't know them all and might've missed some...
Hello, I've never participated in any discussions here although I lurk often in these forums. Since you asked for the public's help I think I could make a meaningful contribution in this sector. I'm not a professional historian but I have a keen interest in history.
So, to get to the point, is Aitolia taken? If not, I'd be glad to write a description for the province.
Feel free to give it a shot.
Alright, should I post a description here or send it over by PM?
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According to the map of the first page the border between Attike and Aitolia runs on the west side of what seems to be Parnassus mountain. As this is where the ancient region of Phocis was located does it mean that Phocis, along with Delphi etc, passes to Attike rather than Aitolia?
Good catch! Anyway, Delphi has their own description - a dedicated unique building - which is written already, so need not to worry too much about it.
In any case, many thanks for your help!
Greetings from another long time lurker. I'd be willing to give Lakonike a shot, if it is still available. I'm not sure I will find enough sources, but if I do not, I will let you know. On a side note, do we have to cite our sources?
Greetings,
Adalingum
Lakonike seems to be still available.
With regard to sources, as a general rule, for the traveller's log section: no; for the rest: cite the ancient sources that are relevant, but not anything modern that you may use.
For clarity: if we take issue with something that you claim we may ask you for your source, but in the description itself there is no need...
Thanks for explaining @Gaius Scribonius Curio, just found a pdf of 'Sparta And Lakonia, A Regional History 1300 - 362 BC'. So if you'll excuse me, gentlemen and gentlewomen, I've got research to do.:book2:
Have a good day,
Adalingum
Hi there!
I am another lurker who was looking for a fun way to pass time this summer and discovered that EB II is still under construction! Being an amateur historian with a smattering of knowledge about Berber history, I'd love to help as well.
I'd love to take a crack at writing something up for Gaetulia and perhaps Phazania as well.
Two questions though. First, to what extent should be we try to emulate the example that has been provided? Is it acceptable to structure each section differently than Brennus? For example, I'm not sure that focusing on archaeological evidence will be as fruitful for Gaetulia as it was for Combrogon. Additionally, given that the Gaetuli don't get written about much at all under rather late in the establishment of the Roman Empire, my history of the region may focus on later events slightly more.
Second, I am just curious about the selection of Aghlan as the settlement, given that it is even less certain there was anything of that name prior to the early middle ages. Additionally, apart from a small cave there is no evidence for earlier in-habitation. As I understand it, the Zenata/Mozabites didn't even migrate to the area from the northwest until the ninth century AD, and the name Aghlan comes from them. The name Dimmidi would seem a better candidate, given the high possibility of the Roman name coming from a Berber origin. Another alternative might also be Gemellae/Millae/M'Li/M'Lili (though it would be on the extreme eastern edge of the borders you've given Gaetulia in the mainmap).
I could be wrong (I have no access to any Latin or Arabic sources directly), but that's what it seems to me. This is an awesome project and I just want to help to make it right. :)
Sorry to post again.
Should the strategy part include only the advantages and/or assets of the region in general or also related to the faction they start assigned to? 'Cuz I was wondering about what would have happened if the Chremonidean War would have ended in a victory for the Chremonidean league: I suppose the Spartans would have either quit the league (with its primary target out of the way) or would have tried to begin dominating it á la Peloponnesian league... I suppose I should add ´beware the Spartan loyalty´ in the strategy part as a warning to the player :laugh4:, but only if it has to be so faction-specific.
Oh stop daydreaming Adalingum and get back to reading that PDF!
Greetings
Adalingum
I'd keep the strategical information mostly in general, unless it is a rather important gameplay consideration for a specific faction.
Great we could always use help with Western Africa, as our historians of that specific region are mostly inactive. If you feel after writing the description that you want to contribute more than with just description reading let us know. Also much of the texts of classical historians can be found online for free, if you want to use them.
I can't answer your question on Aghlan though, sorry.
OK, I've done a bit of research and come up with a rough draft for Gaetulia. Any thoughts?
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Brilliant!
Do you think the conjecture about the fate of the Gaetuli strays too far away from the time period? It felt nice to include it for a sense of finality, but I could also end the history section at either at close of the Gaetuli revolts or the construction of the Tripolitanian limes.
Geez, you got all that together in only a few hours. Very nice! Great job Friendly Sword!
Post-exam unemployment will do that to you. ;)
So, I started writing the traveller's log but I think it might be getting too far and some feedback would be great. I will post what I have written so far below. I still have to add travelling info for Akarnania and the islands of the Ionian Sea (if the latter are included in the province of Aitolia, are they?). I have used a bit of a helleno-centric approach, I was having in mind a person from Athenai, Rhodos or some other place of similar culture who has been to Aitolia and is now summing up his experiences.
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In my opinion your tone is excellent, and the information you provide fits the brief well. A helleno-centric approach is perfect for a description of a Hellenic place.
As you yourself highlight, however, it is a bit lengthy. The idea of the traveller's log section is really to provide a brief overview in the style of an ancient author, to provide character, but more importantly, to introduce the geography and history sections. So while, as far as I am concerned, your start is wonderful, it does need to be cut back. See Brennus, Arjos and Friendly Sword's examples above for an idea of the correct length.
What I would suggest is retaining the first paragraph as is and try to reduce your descriptions of individual cities to a single paragraph - omit some, cut others to one or a few sentences - exactly how is up to you. This is not to say that you cannot discuss the individual cities in your historical section, but what you do need to bear in mind is that the introductory material is an overview of the region at large.
Here's my first draft of Kyrenaia, comments welcome:
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If that one is alright, I might provisionally look to do Krete next, though that's potentially massive given its long history.
I like it QuintusSertorius! Please also try your hand at Krete.
There's a rather old book by R.F. Willetts called "Ancient Crete: a social history from early times until the Roman occupation" (1965).
"From Minoan Farmers to Roman Traders: Sidelights on the Economy of Ancient Crete" by Ángelos Chaniótis (1999) (http://books.google.be/books?id=wnI_...page&q&f=false). Overall, Chaniótis seems to be an expert on hellenistic Crete atm. If you know German you could check out "Das antike Kreta" by him (2004).
Alternatively try Cavanagh, W. & Curtis, M. (eds.), "Post-Minoan Crete", 1998.
Also, if you have access to JSTOR, you might try an article I found in a quick search by P. de Souza: http://www.jstor.org/stable/40960151.
BTW this is going very fast, good work all of you. I wish I had more time to write one myself...
BTW about the province 'Creta et Cyrenaica', there are indications that they were not organised as a single province (as contrary to Pontus et Bithynia or Cilicia et Cyprus) until quite late. See G. Perl, “Die römischen Provinzbeamten in Cyrenae und Creta zur Zeit der Republik”, Klio 52 (1970), 319-154 & 53 (1971), 369-379.
Attike is progressing fairly well but I am having trouble keeping it to a certain size. I was thinking about posting it as WIP get pointers and see where it goes from there. What do you guys think?
Sure, we are happy to provide some direction/feedback where needed...
Thanks for those, I'll register on Jstor (no free access otherwise) and have a read. Can't get any of the others in my library's network.
I'll try to finish Krete when I'm at work next week, as I did Kyrenaia.
Considering a third once that's done, has the Bosporous been done? Or maybe Karia (perhaps I can only do provinces beginning with K!)?
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