Gotta have more Mafia [Concluded]

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Vote: SSNeoperestroika

Sorry, but when I think ice, I think Canadian...or Russian. And the name has a rather Russian ring to it. I know, my reasons are pathetic.

[Cowhead418]

You convinced me, Doc.

There were three murder attempts the first night. Tib got lucky because he was saved. This time there were only two attempts. Which means that somebody had to get held up. Now, the thief blocks a certain person's action that night. Simple math, don't know why I didn't see it before.

Unvote: B_Ray

Vote: Orb

So do we know that the thief targeted Orb because his newspapers were stolen? I'd assume so. Remember, however, that Silver Rusher was an Italian Mafioso, meaning that he probably conducted one of the attempts the first night. I will refrain from voting for now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

EMFM, excellent reasons for voting Orb have been established thanks to the work of doc_bean. And then you go vote SSNeo for a reason that's borderline meatballing.

Trying to protect your mafioso buddy, is that it?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Actually, I didn't read it. It is a good point, however. Now, remember, we do have multiple families, so it is also possible SS is the Mafia. It was more random guesswork though. Not to mention that Orb is going to be lynched anyways, so what does it matter?

Unvote: SS

Vote: Orb

[Reenk Roink]

I don't think you peeples should judge the guy who was at Orb's house so harshly. I mean come on, "thief" is just not right at all. This guy probably is dirt poor, and needs to live on what others waste. If the world were a more generous and fair place, he wouldn't have to go through others trash. Heck, he probably only took the newspapers to use as bedsheets, and also to rummage through the classifieds. Not only that, but this guy chose the right house and gave us an incredible clue on who the real criminals are. And yet he is demonized...

This guy is a hero!

Society has failed this noble, noble individual...

Vote: Orb

[Orb]

Rules on the psycopath, from the wiki.

'He can kill any person at night, if he has not killed anybody the night before. He wins if three or less players are alive.'

Or perhaps the medic got lucky.

I don't see how on earth three families would work, too many mafia.

I will refrain from voting for now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night One: Silver gets killed off by the other family. Vigilante kills Disco. The Italians attempt to kill Tiberius, but the doctor or whoever gets lucky. Edit: By "gets lucky" I of course mean "picked the right person to save."

Night Two: The Italians kill Gert. Vigilante kills Kommodus. Orb (the other family) *would have* hit a target but the thief neutralized him.

That's the way I see it so far. If you spot any flaws let me know.

[doc_bean]

'He can kill any person at night, if he has not killed anybody the night before. He wins if three or less players are alive.'

Yes, I read that too, however there is also the vigilante, and that character CAN kill one person each night. The murder is just so in line with the previous one that it's either a very good copy cat, or the same killer.

I admit the reasoning is not waterproof, the mob could have intended to kill the same person so only one person would have died from a mob hit, or one of the mafia's is trying to pin it on the serial killer. But I think there are reasonable grounds to accuse you, more reasonable than any other accusation I can think off. Sorry.

[Orb]

Or alternatively, Lemur could indeed be mafia or vigilante.

[scotchedpommes]

Or alternatively, Lemur could indeed be mafia or vigilante.

I was about to add, considering Lemur is in prison, that would effectively stop
him from carrying out any tasks. For that reason, I won't be jumping on the Orb
bandwagon. [It may well be that Lemur is our vigilante, given the comments
following his arrest.]

Vote: evil_maniac from mars

I commend you, evil one, the meatball was an odd one, if nothing else.

[Ice]

I'm convinced by the rest of you and am going to vote Orb.

[Orb]

Evil Maniac from Mars, how could you do this to your fellow Mafia just to save your own skin? No righteous Chinaman would ever do such a thing! Do you want the Italians to run this place?

I thus vote:EMFM. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

(btw - Lemur is the hunter)

[Sigurd]

Night One: Silver gets killed off by the other family. Vigilante kills Disco. The Italians attempt to kill Tiberius, but the doctor or whoever gets lucky. Edit: By "gets lucky" I of course mean "picked the right person to save."

Night Two: The Italians kill Gert. Vigilante kills Kommodus. Orb (the other family) *would have* hit a target but the thief neutralized him.

That's the way I see it so far. If you spot any flaws let me know.

This is a darn good theory... and I can't spot any.
therfore, Vote:Orb

[edit]:Wow! Orb ... you just incriminated yourself… my vote stands reinforced.

[Orb]

Phew, I posted in time to get my final words out:

I ask that my execution be done in the following manner -

- that I be buried alive, dug out while still alive and set free.

- failing that, I want to be put in a pit of toothless dogs and have my remains carried to the nearest brothel/pub to be desecrated by whores/drink after a few hours.

- failing that, I want to be placed in a pool of harmless jellyfish, given a hot drink and a bath and then crowned king of England.

If none of these is possible, I want the following eulogy:

Truly, this man is still alive living off the coast of Iran on a burning oil rig. Please go to finish the job. Bringing more than a rotting plank of wood to paddle on and some explosives is considered unfair.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote count (10 to lynch):

Orb: 7
EMFM: 2

[Orb]

Oh, and Machiavelli has proved that I am the perfect 'principe'. You may all bow down and kiss my feet. In fact, I'd rather you didn't, so go find me on that oil rig.

[Lemur]

Vote:Orb.

[Cowhead418]

My vote is Orb. You know Lemur's role, so you must be in the mafia.

[Orb]

Yes, my minions, vote for me. Only I can save you from perdition at the hands of Lemur.

Cowhead, if you believe everything I say, then I say the following:

The real mafia are: Generalhankerchief, Lemur and doc_bean.

And, I'd believe me because I confessed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

The real mafia are: Generalhankerchief, Lemur and doc_bean.

Right, the first two people who voted for you and the person who you've been after since Mafia III. Good joke.

[Orb]

Joke? I'm deadly serious. I want Lemur lynched for the sole reason that he'll whine about it. I want doc_bean lynched because he had the audacity to use deductive reasoning and I want you lynched because you've been acting very suspiciously in the other games...

[Reenk Roink]

See?

And you guys call the guy who made it possible to flush out Orb a "theif"...

You ungrateful wretches...

[Orb]

Reenk, I hope that isn't you.

Else my buddies will have to pay you a visit.

Hey, at least I'll shut up once I've been released unharmed and happy.

[Lemur]

Joke? I'm deadly serious. I want Lemur lynched for the sole reason that he'll whine about it.

Hmmm, who exactly is going on at length and whining his head off this game? I'm guessing it starts with an "O".

[Orb]

I'm not whining, I'm getting as many posts as possible into my lifespan. Which appears not be very long at all. One vote in total :)

Oh, and, who stole my newspaper? I WAS READING THAT! And inside was a note that I killed SR

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Evil Maniac from Mars, how could you do this to your fellow Mafia just to save your own skin? No righteous Chinaman would ever do such a thing! Do you want the Italians to run this place?

I thus vote:EMFM. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

(btw - Lemur is the hunter)

To save my own skin? I never would do that, even if I was the Mafia, which, I assure you, I am not.

[Divinus Arma]

Wait a second? Why is everyone changing their votes? I know Lemur was responsible for at least some kind of mayhem.

I still vote: LEMUR

[B-Wing]

Wow, excellent job reasoning out the situation GeneralHanky. I'm not sure we can safely say that one of the three parties responsible for the killings is non-mafia, but it seems most likely from a gameplay perspective (that is, I think an independent party is preferable to a third mafia family and assume that Kojiro feels the same way). And now that Orb has pretty well admitted to his associations, there's no logical choice but to execute him. So here you go, Orb.

vote: Orb



...And I would like to counter your accusation that I'm posting differently, but I really have no idea how my posting style or pattern is percieved by anyone other than myself. I've not been very helpful with my posts, if that's what you mean. Until you realized the likelyhood of Orb being a killer (of some sort), we haven't had anything to go on, so I've just been speculating on roles.

Something has just occured to me, though. I was trying to remember who we executed on Day 1 and remembered that it was Lemur, who was pardoned by the mayor. Kojiro said the mafia would be informed of Lemur's role. I was thinking that if he were a mafioso, the rival family would probably target him right away. But if he was in the non-Italian family and Orb was the last Italian mafioso, he would still be alive because Orb was distracted by the fact that his house got robbed (of newspapers?). So Lemur isn't proven innocent yet, while he doesn't have anything going against him either.

I wonder this, though: if a mafia family still has its two members alive and the thief breaks into one of their homes, will their intended murder still take place? I mean, after all, you don't need two people to kill someone.

[B-Wing]

I noticed something just now while looking at the MafiaWiki. According to it, the Thief is actually on the side of the mafia, though he does not know their identities and neither do they know his. But it says his nightly activities only block the abilities of civilian-aligned characters. Of course Kojiro could have made up his own version, but if he's playing strictly by the wiki, then GeneralHanky's theory may be wrong.

BTW, the MafiaWiki I'm referring to is here:
http://en.wiki.mafia.sebi.name/Main_Page

[doc_bean]

Wait a second? Why is everyone changing their votes? I know Lemur was responsible for at least some kind of mayhem.

I still vote: LEMUR

The way I understand the rules is that we can vote for someone AND decide whether or not we hang Lemur, but I'm waiting for Sasaki with the definite word on this.

The governor is a civilian who arrest (for a certain number of days) a person who is voted to be lynched at day. While being arrested, he still can discuss and vote, but -if he is a special role- can't do anything else. After being released, the town has to vote whether to kill him or not. How to play: After the town decided about who to lynch, the moderator asks the governor (of course, the other players have to close their eyes) if this person should be arrested or not. If arrested, the Mafia learns about the true identity.

I noticed something just now while looking at the MafiaWiki. According to it, the Thief is actually on the side of the mafia, though he does not know their identities and neither do they know his.

Damnit, you are right. I missed that part

But he did incriminate himself, which is just a weird thing to do either way....ARGH !

I'm going to stick to my vote just because I have nothing better to go on and he's being annoying, Lemur is still in jail, so if we only have two killings tonight (psycho should kill again) then we'd have a good reason to execute him.