The Midgard Saga [Concluded]

[Redleg]

Bah!

I demand proof of your Godliness!

Smite Redleg, and I shall swear fealty to you!

Why do you want a jarl smited - is this because you are a jotun?

[Husar]

Please reread the PM. I didn't know who had the role, but I knew it existed.

And that automatically makes you innocent?
You seem to be so sure about that and your tone sounds a bit superior, that's why I'm inclined to believe Reenk instead of you.

Sigurd said there were gods. So a claim of god is believable.

He mentioned them as part of the story, but not as roles IIRC.
Our little Ichi here seems to have more proof of Loki being a god than that.
So he either is a god himself or received the info as part of his Jotun PM, that's how I see it.

[pevergreen]

Why do you want a jarl smited - is this because you are a jotun?

Because I am not entirely sure you are a jarl.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm certain coincidences are too much to be mere coincidences. Reenk is either a Jotun or working for the jotun. He's our best lynch.

[Csargo]

And that automatically makes you innocent?
You seem to be so sure about that and your tone sounds a bit superior, that's why I'm inclined to believe Reenk instead of you.


He mentioned them as part of the story, but not as roles IIRC.
Our little Ichi here seems to have more proof of Loki being a god than that.
So he either is a god himself or received the info as part of his Jotun PM, that's how I see it.

No, whoever said that. Your trying to use things against me that I have clearly stated in that PM and in this thread more than once. I am sure about what I have stated if that makes me seem arrogant then fine.

Neither are correct you've seen my PM. Like I said I knew it because Sigurd said it in the chat.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@Andres - from my reading of the information there are no clan victories, only a townie one.

(i'm guessing this as pretty much everyone, even those who claim clan affiliations, have reported seeing human in their pms)

This sounds off to me. It doesn't sound like you had "human" in your pm. Also, surely there is something to go on now? Why haven't you posted?

[Husar]

No, whoever said that. Your trying to use things against me that I have clearly stated in that PM and in this thread more than once. I am sure about what I have stated if that makes me seem arrogant then fine.

Neither are correct you've seen my PM. Like I said I knew it because Sigurd said it in the chat.

So if Reenk is a Jotun, why such a fake reveal out of nowhere?
And if he is Loki and works for them, same question.
Why should he reveal instead of just challenging townies?

[Csargo]

So if Reenk is a Jotun, why such a fake reveal out of nowhere?
And if he is Loki and works for them, same question.
Why should he reveal instead of just challenging townies?

When did I ever say his God reveal was fake?

[Husar]

When did I ever say his God reveal was fake?

Try to read beyond the first sentence, there are actually a second and a third.

[Csargo]

Try to read beyond the first sentence, there are actually a second and a third.

Well he is Loki, it should be obvious.

[Husar]

Well he is Loki, it should be obvious.

Didn't you want him lynched?
I can't be bothered to search for a post indicating that, it was just in the back of my mind.
I'd rather lynch a Jotun than some chaos god, as others already posted, we give Reenk a whole lot of credit and thus make his role, if it is true, worthwhile.
Why don't we just ignore him and focus on getting the Jotun?
If we go on with not getting any Jotun, Reenk is more likely to join them, we can of course lynch him now, but that won't hurt the Jotun, yet.

[Redleg]

Because I am not entirely sure you are a jarl.

Hmm - well I am becoming sure that you are more then likely a jotun or some other evil being.

Another likely candidate for the lynch.

[Redleg]

Well since Odin came to me in my sleep, I have decided to apologize to Loki aka Reenk for asking him to prove his claim by shooting fireballs from his rearend. I will also apologize for saying that he was touched in the head.

It seems that in reading the thread that others are willing to state that Reenk is indeed what he claims, and I will keep my council on what I think about that claim to myself until events and actions prove otherwise.

[sapi]

This sounds off to me. It doesn't sound like you had "human" in your pm. Also, surely there is something to go on now? Why haven't you posted?

rl, unfortunately.

I didn't get home until 10pm last night, and didnt' feel like wading through 5 pages of this at the time.



Now, though, i'm starting to be sceptical about Reenek, as others are.

He's likely to be my vote for the lynch unless he can come up with some actual proof of his role (perhaps by joining the town if he is Loki?)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

rl, unfortunately.

I didn't get home until 10pm last night, and didnt' feel like wading through 5 pages of this at the time.



Now, though, i'm starting to be sceptical about Reenek, as others are.

He's likely to be my vote for the lynch unless he can come up with some actual proof of his role (perhaps by joining the town if he is Loki?)

Weird weird weird!

But maybe all your posts are weird.

[Csargo]

Didn't you want him lynched?
I can't be bothered to search for a post indicating that, it was just in the back of my mind.
I'd rather lynch a Jotun than some chaos god, as others already posted, we give Reenk a whole lot of credit and thus make his role, if it is true, worthwhile.
Why don't we just ignore him and focus on getting the Jotun?
If we go on with not getting any Jotun, Reenk is more likely to join them, we can of course lynch him now, but that won't hurt the Jotun, yet.

If he refuses to help the town then yes he should be lynched.

[Reenk Roink]

Redleg: I'm a nice person in real life. I feed bunnies.

To those who ask for proof: I revealed my role when there was no necessity. I have given a copy of my PM. I have told who which Jotun contacted me. I have gotten Holmgang scores right. I cannot do much more in way of proof.

On Ichigo: If you believe my version of events, he is a clear Jotun. If you believe his version, he is still suspicious, and not "just a townie" as he claims, as he clearly had special information about me from the start.

I ask for a shot at Ichigo. Please nobody make any challenges so I can do this. I want to take him to the pavement, and the write up should show my clear superiority in Holmgang fights as I will have him dead before he touches the ground. After that, you may lynch me.

Think about it:

You free up a valuable lynch against Ichigo, who anyway you look at it, is suspicious.

You let me offer a little more "proof" for my role.

I will even vote for myself if you want me to.

I have played these games for awhile. I have been a Mafia before. I am a risky player, but I would never go out and be so flamboyant as I am now. My role is clear, and I am just playing it.

Think on this.

[Csargo]

Redleg: I'm a nice person in real life. I feed bunnies.

To those who ask for proof: I revealed my role when there was no necessity. I have given a copy of my PM. I have told who which Jotun contacted me. I have gotten Holmgang scores right. I cannot do much more in way of proof.

On Ichigo: If you believe my version of events, he is a clear Jotun. If you believe his version, he is still suspicious, and not "just a townie" as he claims, as he clearly had special information about me from the start.

I ask for a shot at Ichigo. Please nobody make any challenges so I can do this. I want to take him to the pavement, and the write up should show my clear superiority in Holmgang fights as I will have him dead before he touches the ground. After that, you may lynch me.

Think about it:

You free up a valuable lynch against Ichigo, who anyway you look at it, is suspicious.

You let me offer a little more "proof" for my role.

I will even vote for myself if you want me to.

I have played these games for awhile. I have been a Mafia before. I am a risky player, but I would never go out and be so flamboyant as I am now. My role is clear, and I am just playing it.

Think on this.

Yes, your role to spread chaos throughout the town RR? The only reason I am suspicious is because you decided to fake one part of our PM exchange and try to make it look like I was a Jotun.

[Reenk Roink]

Yes, your role to spread chaos throughout the town RR? The only reason I am suspicious is because you decided to fake one part of our PM exchange and try to make it look like I was a Jotun.

Don't even start.

I'm after you because you betrayed me and thought you could outsmart me.

That you happen to be Jotun is just a favorable coincidence for the town...

[sapi]

Weird weird weird!

But maybe all your posts are weird.

The best way to avoid people reading your intentions is to have no pattern to your posting habits

[Redleg]

You free up a valuable lynch against Ichigo, who anyway you look at it, is suspicious.

You let me offer a little more "proof" for my role.

I will even vote for myself if you want me to.

Think on this.

If the write up demonstrates that you are godlike I will take that as proof that you are what you claim. No need to get into lynch voting promises until the lynch issue presents itself after the next holmgang.

Especially if given the writeup or the followup by the esteem host validates your accusation that Ichigo is one of the evil jotun

We still have the current night phase and holmgang to get through. And then the next day lynch.

As far as I am concerned you have bought yourself some time to validate your claim of being Loki. Time to move on to other arguements for me.


I am beginning to wonder about pevergreen wanting me smited by you after I claimed I was a jarl. Now not wanting to believe my stance is one thing - but activitily seeking me to be smited by the gods for my disbelief - hmm, makes me wonder about what side pevergreen is on.

Thoughts of the audience. Should I provide futher proof of my role? Or should we pursue why pevergreen desires my death by smitting?

Or for that manner why would I reveal I am a jarl if that was not truely the case. By making such a claim I open myself up for targeting by the jotun. Now why some might take this as an error. I don't believe so. To feret out the jotun is our goal in this gathering of nobles and warriors - so in order to do so, at least one lord must be willing to stand up and be the target for the evil ones that hide in our midst.

Now pevergreen claims his only reason was because he did not believe my claim, but that seems a weak reason to demand of a god a smiting for exchange of loyality. Rather interesting don't you think? Did pevergreen make a costly mistake with his demand?

[CountArach]

Woah! A lot to catch up on!

I think I trust Reenk Roink in saying that he is a God, it just seems like an odd role to make up. I would say that his role is legitimate. Also having the High Holmgang stat would make a lot of sense.

However, I also am not sure of his intentions. I don't think he is working with the town. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I say we lynch him when we can.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The best way to avoid people reading your intentions is to have no pattern to your posting habits

Yeah, you'll be getting my vote tomorrow.

Only scum don't want other people to get a read on them. Townies strive to be open, it's there most important duty.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Only scum don't want other people to get a read on them.

Or townies thinking ahead to when they actually become scum so it's considered normal behavior from them.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I agree with Sasaki to this extent: Sapi is playing the classic "involved lurker." I do not have the baseline sense of his style that I do with the others, but an "involved lurker" (few posts, tone earnest, not decisive in lynch votes, etc.) is a classic stance for an "active" role.

To be sure, we have those for whom this is their normal style -- Prole for example -- but she also has a track record of this style regardless of role.

Sasaki got GH to spill some useful info. I agree with Sasaki that GH is less of a perceived threat at this juncture.


Redleg is right about one issue. Claiming Jarl status -- and implicitly a holmgang score that is a threat to unmorphed jotuns -- does paint a bit of a target on his back. This strikes me as very unlikely for a jotun. A townie might pretend (especially if they had a doctor friend) to draw fire -- but a mafioso would only do this if he believed he could pull off that stance for the whole game -- possible, but very "high wire" a style for mafia play. This signals, for me, a tentative belief in Jarl Redleg's status.


This makes his question of pevergreen all the more telling.


We have Ichi on the suspicion list (and possibly Andres with him) according to Reenk. If Reenk's right he's collecting roles and playing with people like Sasaki did in Capo. Not a sure mafia label, but that's the way to bet

-- or --

if Reenk is lying he's lying about everything and just playing at godhood. This is not as unlikely as it sounds. Loki is hardly an unknown quality in the Norse mythos -- picking him as a player in this little saga game would be a risky but not unreasoned strategy to false flag with. Reenk certainly has the brass _____ to try it.


For now, I think Reenk is our fallback for a lynch, not the primary. If he's given us one jotun, he's demonstrated some value. Trusting Loki is, as Ichigo says, a losing proposition though. We need to tread carefully.


I'd like to hear from pevergreen and andres and Tom -- I can't wait to get my sword out -- Hagen. Or perhaps its a hammer?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Or townies thinking ahead to when they actually become scum so it's considered normal behavior from them.

= not a true townie

[Csargo]

Don't even start.

I'm after you because you betrayed me and thought you could outsmart me.

That you happen to be Jotun is just a favorable coincidence for the town...

What? Don't start because it's the truth?

You brought all this on yourself, you will soon be trapped by all your lies.

I'm not Jotun.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...2&postcount=62

[sapi]

Yeah, you'll be getting my vote tomorrow.

Why thank you. I've always wanted to be voted for

Seriously, you'll be wasting your vote. I urge you to reconsider...

Only scum don't want other people to get a read on them. Townies strive to be open, it's there most important duty.

Two points:
1. This is how i play. Get used to it - it's not going to change, in any games
2. Consistency is the key. If i were to play in a different way when i was a townie, i'd stand out if i ever got a 'baddie' role.

I'd like to hear from pevergreen

He's not usually this quiet...

[CountArach]

Inded, Pevergreen does seem to be a lot more silent than usual.

What say you Green...? Or Pever, whichever you prefer... Why did you want Redleg smited? Smitten... whatever...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why thank you. I've always wanted to be voted for

Seriously, you'll be wasting your vote. I urge you to reconsider...


Two points:
1. This is how i play. Get used to it - it's not going to change, in any games
2. Consistency is the key. If i were to play in a different way when i was a townie, i'd stand out if i ever got a 'baddie' role.

No, you pretend to be town when mafia not pretend to be mafia when town. Essentially you're saying you only signed up on the hopes of being mafia? Being townie is as much fun as being mafia, give it a try. You'll always be a backup lynch in any game, and if I was vig I'd kill you night one. The town has no use for townies who want to be mafia.

Also, any town worth its salt will make you post or lynch you. Ask disco how it worked out in Mafia IV.