Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Tiberius of the Drake]

2 abstain (norwegian nerd, Tiberius of the Drake)
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18 glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos, Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,, Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius of the Drake )
4 pevergreen(andres,tincow,little grizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
2 sigurd(prole, Husar)
4 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic)
1 abstain (norwegian nerd,)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)

Ichanged my vote to vote for Glenn

[LittleGrizzly]

4 pevergreen(andres,tincow,little grizzly)

so are little and grizzly voting for pevergreen or am i just really bad at math ?

[pevergreen]

2 people back out. I dont know for sure who.

[Tratorix]

Since it appears to have been skipped over, i'd like to quote norwegian nerd's earlier post of a pm from his "buddy".

"I wish I could vouch for norwegian nerd in public, but unfortunately I have a pro town role, and as such I won't be revealing any time soon. I am forbidden from revealing norwegian nerd's role.

It seems therefore that there is no way we can proove his innocence. I hope that you will accept that he slipped up (perhaps due to inexperience). I also hope that you believe that were he mafia, he would have known better. (Yes I know that's a classic defensive argument, but would a mafia really be so daft as to claim knowledge of a 'buddy' in his first post, without ever being accused of anything)

So this is a plea to your common sense, norwegian nerd is innocent, simply inexperienced."

I'm wondering whether or not we should pursue this. If this person is telling the truth and has a pro-town role, we could end up shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I thought it was a successful protection. I DID submit my orders exactly as I said. I did not go back on my word. So, even if Sasaki backed out, one of the other two would have had to as well, and I saw no indication of that. It seems to me to be a properly organized hit and a properly organized protection, albeit without the obvious cues in the story.

That, of course, assumes that the stories aren't that blatantly obvious. If they usually are, then my belief is of course invalid.

LordWinter, Haudegan, and I decided to protect pannonian instead. I don't think LordWinter got his pm in on time.

[pevergreen]

NN was part of a group i co-ordinated last night.

[pevergreen]

LordWinter, Haudegan, and I decided to protect pannonian instead. I don't think LordWinter got his pm in on time.

So if thats true, why didnt you tell me? TinCow could have been killed?

[CountArach]

What I find most interesting in that PM is "I am forbidden from revealing norwegian nerd's role." I can't think why, except for the obvious thing that they aren't going to reveal.

Also the use of the use of the word "daft" perhaps points to someone British or of British decent.

[PershsNhpios]

Count Aracticus, if you haven't read the last three pages, how can you claim I'm withholding information?

I thought I could clarify I wasn't withholding information by giving the public two pages of it.

Your ignorance, and the like ignorance, are going to ensure my death was in vain.

19 votes!

I can only hope someone listened to what I said, because I gave away a far sight more than anyone else, and if you go pack through the pages here - there are some telltale signs that the people I mention are linked.

There are good people out there I have met, I want those people to pursue this!

[CountArach]

Count Aracticus, if you haven't read the last three pages, how can you claim I'm withholding information?

I thought I could clarify I wasn't withholding information by giving the public two pages of it.

Your ignorance, and the like ignorance, are going to ensure my death was in vain.

19 votes!

I can only hope someone listened to what I said, because I gave away a far sight more than anyone else, and if you go pack through the pages here - there are some telltale signs that the people I mention are linked.

There are good people out there I have met, I want those people to pursue this!

Link me to this information.

[PershsNhpios]

Here is the information, I simply glued the two posts together.
It won't save me, but it will point the finger at the right people.

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It is my second, my first was Fimbulwinter, which started 3 days ago..

Generally, everyone attempts self preservation in a Mafia game - you can't be part of a victory if you are dead.

So that is a terrible excuse for lynching someone.

Next, the main excuse is that I was either protected by a Luca, or a Doctor, and seeing as a Doctor still doesn't prove my innocence, but a Luca would prove my guilt.

How is that rational if you don't know who protected me in any case?

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In response to 10 votes, I only have a limited time to play this game, and if I can spend the very first few turns exposing a Mafia family, then I've succeeded in my own part.

I am glad TruePraetorian came forward, he was very suspicious of me when I sent both him and Dutch_Guy PMs to ensure I wasn't being fooled.

As for Pevergreen, there was strong evidence that he, Pannonian and Beefy187 were connected.

When Woad&Fangs sent out his letter asking for a protection group, he sent it to Beefy187, but not to Pannonian or Pevergreen of course.

Beefy187 refused. Makayane can confirm who the letter was sent to.

Beefy then suggested to me it would be a good idea to infiltrate Pevergreen's group to find out what was occuring, and volunteered himself very quickly.
I did not trust this, I asked Pannonian in a letter to tell me what was going on between him and Pevergreen or else he would attract my distrust.

He never responded.

Pevergreen responded by posting my PM, which shows how he intended to kill W&F first - note how he has subtly tried to lynch him.

I think both Woad&Fangs are innocent, however I think they both have at least tried to recruit a large amount of people, for themselves or for the Mafia.

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Notice also how Sigurd first dismissed complaints against himself and Stranger, then began pushing against both Stranger and Louis VI when I mentioned the latter.

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Hope to god someone takes this seriously and acts on it, publicly or not..

I've done a lot of studying in the background during my Day 1, Night 1 silence..

I believe Sasaki is innocent.
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What do I have to lose?

The possibility of gaining more information, and having a more productive role in the game - in other words, life!

I am unsure of some things, but I know names that can come forward and set things perfectly.

Protection Group Alpha, recruited by Stranger.
Glenn, Dutch_Guy, TruePraetorian

Protection Group Beta, recruited by - Stranger?
Drisos, Moros, Andres

Alpha protected Louis VI the Fat.

Beta protected Sigurd Fafnesbane.

Step forward, protectees, what was the reason for being recruited into this?
Considering I received my recruitment PM about one hour after game start, this all seemed too organised to be township.

You all must of realised also, if we can all give some evidence on this we can put this little Mafia away - and only one of us will die, myself. How romantic.

I have to go, this is a busy day for me, (Actually), so this is a quick reply.
For that reason I can't add this PM in a quote - but what difference does that make? The difference is wether you believe me or not.

A PM from Stranger recently:

for a person with so much info... you know awefully little... tell me something you know and I don't before ill be putting a bit of pressure on you...

I did not handle by sigurd... hes not my boss... but if you do not start telling me stuff you end up dead... you might as well tell me stuff that can save you so i can vouch for your innocense... this is not the way you to end CDTC... not this early

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[PershsNhpios]

Glenn had always been a bit excitable, and with the prospect of having to vote to lynch somebody, his heart was racing and he had trouble staying still. <> he thought, and began to walk up the street towards the Hotel Abbatoir and Fatlington’s poshest bar.

His walk there was anything but relaxing, with Glenn spinning at every stray sound or voice that seemed out of place. Finally, he was steps away from the hotel’s entrance when four dark figures stood up from the expensively landscaped bushes surrounding the hotel’s small entryway garden and flagpole – and all of them had tommy guns.

In the second before the gunmen opened fire, a nearby street pretzel vendor made two quick steps toward Glenn, lifted him bodily and flung him into the open bin of the pretzel cart. The gunman paused a moment, stunned by this unexpected event, as the carter slammed the cart’s lid shut and started rolling the cart toward the hotel doors. Then they opened fire.

Round after round from their submachine guns slammed into the cart but the cart was apparently both motorized and heavily armored and rolled itself through the doors of the Abbatoir and directly into the bar where it crashed up against the bar itself. The doorman was badly wounded as he accidentally came under fire from the gunmen as they kept tracking the cart with their weapons ratcheting out rounds. None of them focused any rounds on the carter, however, who took the opportunity to dropp into the driver’s seat of a cab waiting at the hotel front and speed off. With sirens blaring and witnesses beginning to look at the racket, the gunmen gave up their efforts and faded back into the sweltering darkness.

It took a bit of effort to extract a stunned Glenn from cart, stained with mustard and freshly rolled in salt, but Glenn was alive and more-or-less well because someone -- or several? – had been there to help. He never did get that drink.
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Also, here is my attack for reference - note that Seamus said I may of been protected by several, and that the doctor did not disguise himself as an iron cart.. I imagine that would be very difficult.

Note someone named the Hotel, "Abbatoir", an obvious attempt to frame Beefy.

I was also heading towards the poshest place in Fatlington, I like this, because it suggests I am better than everyone else.
Or maybe it is suggesting I'm an insolent, arrogant prick.
Either way, I'm going to hang..

"I feel so slender in the moooonlight, on Honoluuulu bay.."

[CountArach]

Even if your information leads to the killing of some Mafiosi then it won't matter because we still think you are one as well. Just a different family.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

How many votes make a lynch?

Capo uses a "first past the post" system when the voting time deadline has been reached, so no set number is required. most votes = lynch.

A tie is adjudicated by the Director as they see fit, lynching none, one, some or all of those who are part of the tie.

@Glenn

The Hotel Abbatoir featured in Capo I as well and is my invention.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh yes! In future rounds I feel the town should make use of the double lynch option. Vigilante groups should be abandoned until later in the game--it's important for detective results to be accurate.

[Twilightblade]

Even if your information leads to the killing of some Mafiosi then it won't matter because we still think you are one as well. Just a different family.

An excellent point CountArach, we must not forget that there are multiple familys

vote: Glenn

[naut]

so are little and grizzly voting for pevergreen or am i just really bad at math ?

Hahaha, woops, better change that tally:

18 Glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos, Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,, Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius of the Drake)
3 pevergreen(andres,tincow,LittleGrizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
2 sigurd(prole, Husar)
4 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic)
1 abstain (norwegian nerd)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)

[Northnovas]

Wow that is a lot of reading!
Some good points raised but I nothing is clear. I will use my first vote like other first rounds and abstain.
Please remember, I am the other NN.

[PershsNhpios]

What attracted my distrust to Pannonian?

At the same time W&F asked me about the protection group, I PMed Pannonian to ask him if we could try and help each other determine correct speculation, even if we could stay neutral in doing so.

I did this because he was being rational in thread, and because he was not blatantly attacking me.

I mentioned in the PM I was asked to join a protection group, (Or Doctor group as he called it), with Woad&Fangs.

Pannonian then returned two PMs very quickly, asking two times if Woad&Fangs and myself would like to help him protect Pevergreen.
Pannonian knew of the grudge - I told him.

Before I could even ask Woad&Fangs what was going on, he PMed me saying, "Don't tell anyone else about the protector group" and then he was offline for a long time - hence his absence in replying to everyone's demands.
At the same time as this PM, Pevergreen sent me a PM, though I had neither talked to him or suggested him in thread, saying that Woad's plot to kill him would not last.

He quoted this PM himself some pages back, when he tried to make Woad seem guilty.

I asked Pannonian why he would tell Pevergreen if I hadn't even given he himself my trust, and our conversation quickly died away..

[Cowhead418]

I'm not yet convinced of anyone's guilt, so I'll Vote: Abstain this round.

[Csargo]

Wrong tab...

[CountArach]

Currently no one is active. I'm all alone and it's pretty scary. Oh there's Disco.

I'm here...

[Csargo]

I'm here...

Wrong thread.

[PershsNhpios]

Awwww... Come on BovineFace!

If you vote for me then I'll have twenty votes!

But then, I could have a role that requires twenty votes, and the twentieth voter will automatically die.

Why would I say something like that?
Have I something to hide?
Am I withholding something?
Townies don't withhold things..
If I'm withholding something, and Townies don't withhold things, then how can I be a townie?

I think Glenn is weird, his writing style is not up front and requires a deal of insight to read at times - also, he has been very active and enthusiastic, and alot of people have put his name in bold writing.

Wait.. alot of people have put his name in bold writing.. that's enough for me.

Vote: Glenn Because everyone else did, and I think he is a little too eccentric to be found on a internet forum.

[PershsNhpios]

Oh, by the way, I kept Woad&Fangs Doctor Group PM - it is the same as Pevergreen posted, but he had deleted the names inside the message.

Woad&Fangs notified all recipients that the others were;

Beefy
Makanyane
Glenn
Sarathos
taka


Did any of these people agree to join with woad?

[Kommodus]

Looks like it'd be a bit pointless for me to vote at this stage, so:

Vote: Abstain

The thread got away from me a bit; I'll review when I have more time, but for now I'll ask this question in case someone said it and I missed it: has anyone stepped forward to acknowledge protecting Glenn?

Anyway, Glenn: how would you prefer to die? Your options are:

1. Commit seppuku and die in an honorable (albeit painful) way.

2. Eat a scrumptious meal, and wash it down with a glass of wine laced with strychnine.

3. Strapped to a chair along with a block of TNT. Quickest method I could think of.

[PershsNhpios]

I'd like to get in a ring with any one of you, along with their non-firearm weapon of choice, and mine - my beautiful Swiss Pattern Bayonet.

[CountArach]

has anyone stepped forward to acknowledge protecting Glenn?

Not that I am aware of - that is why we are considering a Luca quite probable.

And Kommo - If you do not wish to accept Glenn's challenge, I shall.

[PershsNhpios]

"There's something tender in the moooonlight, on Honoluuuuooolu Bay.."

On a less gameplay, suspicion orientated note - I am disappointed there aren't a great amount of people taking part here.
Sure, there are probably a great many who are simpling PMing and watching, look how many small time crooks came in to vote their lynch on me, only to disappear..

But that still leaves an estimate of about 40 players inactive....

[CountArach]

Actually less than 10 people haven't posted. It is past midnight in the US and early morning elsewhere, so they will post eventually.