Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Myrddraal]

In a rush, I haven't finished reading the thread, so for now:

Vote: Tiberius

Because that role was just too convenient and just too full of holes.

Select: Present

Just to register that I'm here.



Here's a post I prepared earlier, there was going to be more, and it's a bit outdated, but have it anyway:

Andres wasn't protected by town / luca. He was killed in write-up one, the director role saved him in the second write-up. So probably no don then. No other special protective function.

Not necessarily true. Andres could still be a potential Don. If the family knows he's protected by the cops, this frees up their abilities for killing. Why protect someone twice?

What's all this about? Two groups of shadowy figures? Yet no attempt? Is there a rule that if two groups attack the same person on the same night both fail?
JimBob was picked as a victim. Just like Glenn. The mafia getting nervous about them yet?

I don't think so, this looks like two townie protection groups. Both active, but no attacker to fight off.

[PershsNhpios]

Myrddraal!

What do you make of;

Kagemusha

FactionHeir

Tran

Andres?

[Beefy187]

Im honoured to be the candidate for director but I think you should elect a person who can benefit from director cannot be killed rule. Person who can toss around ideas. And that person is not me..

[Chimpyang]

Are you involved in this little blur? Or are you just voting for him because you both have Shogun: Total War avatars?

Yeh, blatently, major STW loving going on here......

Edit:changed "there" to "here"

[PershsNhpios]

I want to believe you, Chimpyang, but it seems as though you were using sarcasm.
Now, I'm not one for sarcasm, so I will get very confused and lost very quickly if you possess your answers with it, and we don't want me getting the wrong idea and thinking you are guilty of something.

So, is there any reasoning why you picked a more popular, yet more suspicious candidate for Director?

What reasons have you to trust Kagemusha?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is not correct. If I have been unclear my apologies, but the Director is escorted by police all night and cannot participate in an "active" night action. Investigations (made, detective, FBI) can occur, and possibly some other "special" abilities, but nothing else.

THis was posted earlier in the thread in response to a comment made by Louis.

Having reviewed my own rules, I am forced to note that there is NO specific prohibition against the Director performing active night actions.

I will probably institute such a rule in Capo III as it conforms to my intentions for the role, but as it has not been added to date and may affect gameplay, I will note hold players to that standard (and my own review of Capo I says I have not).

[Chimpyang]

Now now, sarcasm is a british thing, note my location lol

But why don't I want to upset you with it Glenn? Are you going to send the bully boys around? Send you hit team? I have sources that tell me you registered as Innocent on an investigation, whilst you claimed to register as unclear....why is that?

Enough of that though, to the serious points of your accusation :
- reason for choosing Twilightblade, putting on some pressure to get an explanation, a gentle reminder that the thread has not forgotten. I know it's not a realisitic choice in terms of voting to get a lynch on him, but some answers would be good.

-choosing Kagmusha, why not? the director doth not hold ultimate power, indeed it is a position of exposure and if indeed he is guilty of something, then a mistake would be highlighted even more. Ok, I know it means it makes him unkillable for a short period of time, but lynching directors is not unheard of, as players of Capo I have already mentioned

I hope that the above satisfies your inquiry.....

Edit : minor spelling error in first line.

[TinCow]

Well, there's certain people that seem pro-town, and if they are, they should be protected, so they can keep up good work. I don't know why you don't see this? That's the reason I mentioned the S-word.

Fine. The only person that seems even remotely (and I emphasize the remotely) trustworthy to me so far is Louis VI. If it will make you happy, I will vote for him.

Unselect: Vacant
Select: Louis VI the Fat

[Husar]

Now, I'm not one for sarcasm, so I will get very confused and lost very quickly if you possess your answers with it, and we don't want me getting the wrong idea and thinking you are guilty of something.

Dude...

If you go on like that I don't want you to think at all anymore.

It makes you look as if you believe yourself to be in a position of power, for someone who was almost lynched that's quite a stretch if you ask me.
If I'm not mistaken, you're also trying to force your opinion on others all the time.

[Drisos]

Fine. The only person that seems even remotely (and I emphasize the remotely) trustworthy to me so far is Louis VI. If it will make you happy, I will vote for him.

Unselect: Vacant
Select: Louis VI the Fat

Louis? He's one of the great 'wiseguys'.. (like sasaki, louis, sigurd, kommodus, pannonian, etc the people that really think lots about the game).

but trustworthy? hhm.... I wouldn't say so. I'd say less trustworthy then the rest, because they know better then others how to behave townie-style, etc etc..

can never hurt to keep smart townies alive though..

[Charge]

Considering Tiberius (definite lynch this round) got enough votes already, and we can get double-triple lynch, and I bet Glenn/JimBob are detectives (thus those who trying to lynch them are likely mafiosos), I will
unvote: Tiberius
vote: Kagemusha this time.


just look on his userpage' southpark image
dont he look like mafioso?

besides his behaviour doesnt exclude possibility of being gangster/don. More like don though (and i heard director's duty excludes such night actions like kills, so while don protected by police luca and made can go kill people freely)...
Though I dont have any real proof against him, but I think town should pay more attention to him and trying to point that out.

+ Why FH's sudden inactivity? Mafioso?

Need more evidence before lynching Andres/Sasaki/GH/Kommodus.

And select: Louis for director. Not suspicious Kage..

CapoTally 1181
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 12 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge)
Kagemusha = 5 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
Andres = 1 (Andres)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

[TinCow]

Louis? He's one of the great 'wiseguys'.. (like sasaki, louis, sigurd, kommodus, pannonian, etc the people that really think lots about the game).

but trustworthy? hhm.... I wouldn't say so. I'd say less trustworthy then the rest, because they know better then others how to behave townie-style, etc etc..

can never hurt to keep smart townies alive though..

As I've told other people, I am at a disadvantage because I do not know any of the 'reputations' that people have from other games. I am operating purely based on what I have read in this thread and the content of PMs I have received. Based on that, Louis is one of the few people I have seen who has been trying to help and who hasn't been specifically gunning for a certain person. Given the limited resources at my disposal, I think that's the only logical way for me to make a decision. If I see evidence that Louis is a bad guy, I will react accordingly, but I simply can't base a decision on 'reputation' when that in itself requires that I trust that the 'reputation' information I am being given is accurate in the first place.

[Kagemusha]

Well, well. I come back from work and see whats happened. First of all Glenn. You run around in the thread saying im more suspicious then Louis for example and making insulting comments towards my personality, while you dont know me a bit.
Well please tell me what makes me so suspicious in your book, what have i said or done to make me suspicious? The reason that i dont agree with you, or that i find your style of playing irritating. Please attack the actions of players, not the personality of the players, because its simply insulting.
Then lets have a look at your game. First like it has been mentioned, you claimed that if inspected you would come out unclear, now several players have stated, that infact you come out as innocent. Why did you lie about your status? In this game, people caught from lying should be lynched. Next you have showed parts of your role pm and once some of those parts have been contradicted, you explain that you might have made few mistakes in quoting your pm. How can text turn into something else when you copy and paste it from a pm?
Third you cant give any reason how you were saved during night one, other then luck, whats the possibility that doctor or townie group decided to protect you on night one, compared to the possibility that you were protected by your Luca?
So you have been lying. Forging your role to the town and miraculously saved on night one. If anything, you sound like a mafia Don to me.
When summarizing all this i doubt you have any credibility to throw mud around the town, instead you should feel lucky that you havent been lynched yet.

[Andres]

Let's stay calm, shall we? It's a game after all.

That said, I agree with Kage's sentiments.

Unselect : myself
Select : Kagemusha

EDIT:
CapoTally 1184
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 12 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge)
Kagemusha = 6 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

[Kommodus]

This keeps coming up and I'm still confused. Wasn't Beefy attacked only on the first night? Didn't pevergreen form and participate in a vigilante squad to attack Beefy (supposedly for the purposes of training a doctor/surgeon)? How do we know the mafia want Beefy dead, or is it just a misinterpretation of the first night's actions?

There was also the PM quoted by Pannonian, prior to the night 2 summary:

orders have come down from the Don. There is one way you may prove your worth to the family. The Don has deemed it necessary for Beefy (187 that is) to die. If you can help me hit this "problem" you will be welcomed with open arms into the family. what is your response?

So it seemed to me that Beefy187 had indeed become a target for the mafia, even if the first hit didn't come from them.

Got myself a pm telling Kommodos is criminal. So I'm not going to listen to much to Kommodus this time.

Well dag-nabbit!

The only explanation I can think of is:

Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.

[Drisos]

The only explanation I can think of is:

Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.

Of course, if you're innocent, it will be very frustrating to hear, as 'bad luck' can be your only logical point proving your innocense. But, you must admit a 1 in ~7 chance is pretty small... so small, that it's reason enough for suspicion.

[LittleGrizzly]

Select : Louis VI the Fat

I was thinking either louis or kagemusha, louis seems to have less suspicion on him...

not really sure who to vote for....

ill go for a Lynch : Abstain for the moment and ill probably change it later...

[Proletariat]

For the few people asking why I voted GH with no explanation, it was because I didn't have much time yesterday, but I wanted to make sure my vote got in.

I'm voting GH for two reasons; he's a criminal and he's not helping the town. Just about all his posts so far consist of, 'No, I'm not mafia. Dunno what else to say' or weak accusations like 'So far Sig and The Stranger seem the most scummy'. Who knows, maybe Sigurd is mafia, but that's the best you can come up with in this massive thread so far? I'm just not buying it. GH is way too skilled of a mafia player for me to think he's putting his best effort into a townie win when looking at his fairly paltry posting so far.

Also, Tiberius might be scum, I have no clue. It doesn't look good for him right now, but the guy leading the charge against him, Pannonian is also criminal. Why are we blindly trusting him? Because of one PM he's brought forth publicly?

When you find out great players like GH or Pan are criminals, they have to go, imo. They can be useful townies in death if they really have the town's interests in heart, but if they are mafia scum, you're leaving them alive with very powerful roles (remember, these two are criminals. That means at best a neutral wise guy, or at worst a made or a luca.)

Select: Louis

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

CapoTally 1188
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 14 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge)
Kagemusha = 6 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

[Lt. Pinard]

Lynch: Abstain

Director: Louis

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

CapoTally 1189
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 15 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard)
Kagemusha = 6 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

[Husar]

Keep a bloody tally!!

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Let me quote this again and this time I'll make it clear for everybody:

All your tallies miss his vote!

I hope someone is able to read it the third time...

[Joe Monks]

Well I just got updated on the thread finally by reading for like an hour in the library in Liverpool. I will be back tomorrow to participate more and so on.

Personally I now think that Glenn needs to be lynched. I think he is a don, and tiberius too. I think Tiberius has doctored his role PM. Forgetting to include his number 4 part role so that to me is questionable. Revealing his part 5 role as Agent when it says do not reveal is breaking the rules and since nothing has come from seamus about it I think that it is a fake reveal.

I don't know about director, I don't see any reason to vote for louis or any other on the list. If anything I think that Pannonian would be a good choice. In the mafia games I have read, [this is my first played] he always does well for the town, and other people say this about him in the thread.

Select:Kagemusha.

Because louis is being selected by the lynchee and glenn. No offence Louis.

Vote:Hanibalbarc for double lynch.

Joe

[Jubal_Barca]

Am I still in this? I've been terrible busy, sorry guys.

Select; Kagemusha

Lynch; GH if so.

[Charge]

CapoTally 1194
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 7 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks)
GeneralHankerchief = 6 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 15 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

[shlin28]

Has anyone seen Tran around before?
Introduce yourself properly Tran, what do you make of all this hulabaloo?
Who do you think is guilty?
Twilightblade?
Why?

Who died and made you the boss? I am that close to vote for you just to get rid of you... If you search the forum a bit, you will have realised that Tran (as have others I believe you have accused them of noobiness), has participated at least one another mafia game (I think), so do a bit of research beforehand please.

Anyway, Select Beefy

Edit: Selected Beefy because he seemed to be pretty innocent. Still wondering how he survived the first attack though...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Lynch: Abstain
Select: Abstain

[Caius]

Lynch: Abstain
Select: Abstain

Thats all you have to say? The last time you abstained was in Midgard, were you were mafia!

[The Stranger]

I agree with prole

Therefore I vote:GH

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 7 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, TS)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 15 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I trust pann and kommo despite the criminal results. They've both been working for the town. Kommo also hates being mafia. Pann has claimed wise guy and kommo has claimed townie.

This differs from Andres who hasn't claimed wise guy or townie and is instead casting doubt on the investigators. So it's pretty clear he's mafia.

I think we're going to have to be more careful with the way we reveal results in the thread though. Needs more gaurantees of accuracy and less "someone told me..." or in the strangers case:

from the top of my mind... that is Sasaki, GH, Andres and another one... but not 100% sure...

Which Andres reports as:

We have Sasaki (Sasaki, of all players !) who said I came up as "criminal" after investigation. The same Sasaki who got investigated and came up as "criminal" himself according to TS. And Sasaki backs his claim up with : "I promise that these results are 100 % accurate".

[Caius]

This differs from Andres who hasn't claimed wise guy or townie and is instead casting doubt on the investigators. So it's pretty clear he's mafia.

I see that action defensive than Andres being mafia. Again, how can I trust your results?

[Tratorix]

Unvote: Tiberius

Vote: Hannibalbarc Lets see if we can get a double lynch.