The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

It won't be that easy, to put more weight on such (Imagine), compared to someone claiming to be the detective. It might be easier to prove TS' innocence, by lynching you and see if TS gets targeted by next night (at which town has nothing to prevent it, I believe)

He will not be targeted! He is the Godfather. EVERY SCUMBAG SHOWED UP TO DEFEND HIM!

[shlin28]

Why did 'khaan say I was innocent then?

*Tries to find the exact post*



Edit: Got it

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...45#post2136045

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I shouldn't have clicked view post but my curiosity got the better of me. Here:

I am making NO suggestions that Shlin is guilty. Au contraire, methinks he's completely innocent.

Tevash will die sometime before the end of the game, there's no rush and no harm in taking the time to evaluate his claim. It looks pretty generic but we should give it time, that's the right play.

[glyphz]

He will not be targeted! He is the Godfather. EVERY SCUMBAG SHOWED UP TO DEFEND HIM!

If TS isn't dead by 2/3 nights, then undoubtedly there's a good reason to suspect him. Town should still have the #s to lynch him by then.
And if mafia deliberately does not target TS, then they are taking a very big risk.

edit: Also, in case TS is lying. The real detective (in case he's still alive) can still reveal himself later.
Am moving closer to place my vote against you again, Atpg.

[shlin28]

I find it mildly surprsing that Tevash's claim was dismissed so easily by ATPG, I mean, a detective is one of the few none thread based things we can do in this game to find the scum, yet he dismissed the potential help in a heartbeat? Anyone who have a semi-valid reveal should be kept alive, not be lynched immediately due to one persons's suspicons on him in the past.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I... but... what else could he have meant?

I am at a loss. Here, at the deciding moment of the game, I mess it all up.

I don't know what to say. I can't believe this.

[shlin28]

It could just be a joke vote? It was the first round...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Very well. I have an idea.

Why don't we all, collectively, try to solve this case together.

Look at the factions. Supporters of me, supporters of TevashSzat. Those supporting me are doing so because I agreed to die in short order, and I'm trying my best.

Those who support Tevash, most of them, have been accused by me, and are VERY afraid to die. Were it not for this stupid, stupid last minute error, I could have wrapped it all up. But I admit I can no longer solve this alone.

I need your help. Give me a moment of your time and think with me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I tore TevashSzat's defense to utter shreds earlier. Reenk has been correctly identified as someone who is voting someone he considers innocent, merely for opposing him. Reenk gave a defense filled with gaping holes.

Who is on the attack? Who is on the defense? If I die, life goes on for the rest of you. I need not defend myself.

Look who is acting based on fear, on panic, on defense. Look who has not been actively searching for suspects. Look at who fits all my scum indicators, look who is desperate for me to die THIS ROUND not next. Look who did not offer to die. Look and see.




If I die soon, that should be enough. Detective reveals happen in more than 50% of the games I analyzed, and they were mafia.

[shlin28]

I concur. This factionalism is getting stupid (Although I do stand by my decision to stand in Tevash's side of the argument)

Right now, I think we should at least give Tevash a chance. I'm sorry ATPG, but a chance of him being detective is better than nothing at all

Edit: There is no reason for anyone to really want to lynch you, I mean, a dead townie only means one less vote, so there shouldn't be anyone specifically targetting you.

[seireikhaan]

I personally feel no reason to be suspicious of Shlin, to be clear.

However, I have some rather severe reservations about the legitimacy of Tevash's claims to be detective.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There is a reason.


If I am right about Tevash, then his mafia buddies would all come forward, as they have, to defend him and dismiss everything I've done as "nonsense" and bad analysis. Repeat it over and over and it will convince you.

I predicted he'd reveal as the detective, too. If I am correct about Tevash, they have every reason in the world to want me dead, but more than that, they have every reason to want Tevash alive.

The panicking and hole-filled defenses should tell you something. The universal argument against me has been the same. The votes have been the same. The fact that I offered to die, put myself out there on the chopping block, did all this work, and have multiple dead people vouching my innocence...

Tevash only has his panicking defense and absurdly obvious reveal.


@Seireikhaan-

You can't say one way or another, but Ok... I may have been wrong about Shlin. But I still think YOU are the detective. That's why there have been no counter-reveals.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I personally feel no reason to be suspicious of Shlin, to be clear.

However, I have some rather severe reservations about the legitimacy of Tevash's claims to be detective.

Sure, that's understandable, I don't think anyone is convinced. But surely you can explain your hints from the previous day more clearly?

We also don't know what this games twist is, and it's rash to jump to conclusions before we do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It doesn't matter, you know. Tevash is not the detective, and I doubt you will lynch him this round.

But this gambit will not work. Eventually, he will die, and the game will be over.


I am not sure why I should even bother taking this further. My concern is, after I am gone, and you believe what Tevash says is gospel, he will mislead you all directly into a ditch.

I said it before, and I will say it again. It's OK to lynch me. But I will be if I won't state my case against him, because I know for a fact my allegiance and it is town, and I can get a lot of people to vouch for that.

[Quintus.JC]

Sorry ATPG, but I'm willing to let Tevash live beyond this round. Should his reveal be false; then he is only delaying his inevitable death, the town will lynch him very, very soon. And if he is indeed pro-town, at least we can make use of him, providing the mafia decides to let him live, which I sincerely doubt they would if Tevash was telling the truth about being detective.

Tevash can't help us after death (if he is indeed detective).
You (APTG) on the other hand, can continue to help us post-mortomly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

....


I have nothing on my side that can convince you I am town, and that tevash is guilty, beyond his amazingly bland townie play, and amazingly horrendous defense of himself.


That said, I have considered my options.

I could vote myself. But that won't convince you. And if I die, things will be all right. The mafia have rallied to Tevash's aid, and the only gambit they can play is to murder Tevash themselves. After that, you have one more mafia to find, at best.

Otherwise, lynch him, and you will prove me correct.


If you want, I will change my vote to myself. Do you want me to do so?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is a difficult admission.


I could be wrong. And you're correct, if you don't know I am a townie, the odds are better if Tevash lives.


Unvote: TevashSzat
Vote: Askthepizzaguy.


Please consider my lynch method request.



EDIT: a moment too late. It didn't get in before the deadline. And it was tied, I believe, so toss my vote out please.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Voting closed.

Can we not delay another day? Maybe extend for an hour?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boy I should have been paying attention to the tally.

I can't believe I almost did that. I thought for sure someone had changed their vote to me.


Because I was unable to convince you, I resigned myself to defeat. I have to remember to stop doing that.

Extend the round! Extend it one hour!

[shlin28]

Huh, so Tevash got lynched eh? (I think, I based it on the last posted tally and then added the vote onto it mentally...)

[GeneralHankerchief]

7-7 tie.

Next one to break it ends the round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wasn't it tied? I lost track of it in all the confusion.

I thought I was ahead at the end.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: TevashSzat
Vote: Askthepizzaguy.


There.

[shlin28]

I guess someone needs to change their vote/vote...

*waits patiently for the result*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually, just for the heck of it, this includes shlin.

-edit- nvm, ATPG ended it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, no, I got this one.


If I am wrong about Tevash, I deserve to die. And even though he is my TOP suspect, I like you, doubt myself too.


I demand the death I requested.


Askthepizzaguy, at 15:21 today, nearly did the most bone-headed move in all of mafia. At 15:35, that same move was made on purpose.

[shlin28]

So be it.

GH, could you use ATPG's lynch method over mine? I feel that he deserves this

[seireikhaan]

Alright, Sasaki, let me show my point via a question: Hypothetically(and I'm not saying you are), if you were a mafioso, what would it take for you to kill me in the second round?

Please bare in mind, the vast majority of people playing in this game have, most recently, experienced me as a near psychopath bent upon town destruction 75% of the time in the last few months. I've not been killed early on in... well, honestly, I can't remember the last time. 'Cause I'm total lynch bait.

[shlin28]

Not this again

As I said before: Either you revealed yourself to the mafia, or you were recruited but refused.

Apart from that, I got nothing.



Edit: Aimed at Khaan