Just Another Complainer Doing His Duty

**d'Arthez** · 03-07-2008, 10:29

The most notorious buildings are governors' buildings and temples. A few other buildings (such as markets) also add 5% to unrest.

In case of temples, the best thing you can do is to build them up if it has a large law (+happiness, but law is a bit better as it reduces corruption) bonus. Else you may more or less be forced to wait until you have the chance to tear it down, and replace it with a more suitable temple.

In general, the temple gives more boni than penalties, so beware.

**Danzifuge** · 03-08-2008, 03:16

stuck at rome. i've killed 20k roman soldiers. but sure enough after every battle they build another 20 unit stack. i'm sick of these money bonuses and i'm gonna just have to delete the whole section in the script. i don't give a shit if it makes em a bunch of pussies. the feasibility that an army that size could be raised in one turn on a consistent basis when they're left with three subpar cities and blockaded ports is bullshit. hannibal never held any cities and just ravaged the countryside so rome still had a fighting chance to recruit.

i swear to god every battle is evenly matched with about 3k soldiers on each side. i kill about 5/6 of their men while only taking 1/6 casualties on average. then the very next turn what do i see? another full stack that wasn't there before. this is fuckin nuts

**Parallel Pain** · 03-08-2008, 03:32

What year is it?

I'm sure they're just bringing up reinforcements from other fronts (as happens when I fought the Ptolemy and Seleucids)

After all even if they have all the money in the world one settlement can only make one unit per term. If they don't have 20 settlement they can't make 20 units a term. Even if they do they can't gather them all together to form an army the very next term.

**Danzifuge** · 03-08-2008, 07:57

Originally Posted by Parallel Pain

What year is it?

I'm sure they're just bringing up reinforcements from other fronts (as happens when I fought the Ptolemy and Seleucids)

After all even if they have all the money in the world one settlement can only make one unit per term. If they don't have 20 settlement they can't make 20 units a term. Even if they do they can't gather them all together to form an army the very next term.

263 b.c. its a single front, unless they enjoy scouting (but not attacking) gaul with several 20 stack armies. they have only three cities (ariminium, etrurian city, and mediolanum) i cant convince the averni to attack them, even though they were previously at war with them.

you're right, now that i think about it. they can't build more than three units, but to think they seriously should be able to afford that many reinforcements prior and during my invasion is insane. and the fact they didnt send but one of these armies at me at one time is just plain stupid.

**LorDBulA** · 03-08-2008, 12:23

Maybe they are getting mercenaries? In that case this source of troops should dry out pretty quickly with this recruitment rate.

**d'Arthez** · 03-08-2008, 16:24

I have a similar problem in my Hai campaign. The Ptollies love attacking me, so I took Alexandreia (and the Levant). It did not stop them from attacking me, turn after turn. So I took Paraiton and Memphis. Now it is only once every 2 turns.

Half of the time the armies were merc-based. And they were coming from every direction, but upon closer inspection, they simply abandoned their other fronts (Kart-Hadast, Saba).

I did a check on the faction scroll, and they were swimming in the money. So I sent out some assassins for some sabotage actions. Couple of years down the line, they are nearly bankrupt.

I simply can't be bothered to conquer all the way to Meroe and Axum.

**NeoSpartan** · 03-09-2008, 05:38

Originally Posted by Danzifuge

stuck at rome. i've killed 20k roman soldiers. but sure enough after every battle they build another 20 unit stack. i'm sick of these money bonuses and i'm gonna just have to delete the whole section in the script. i don't give a shit if it makes em a bunch of pussies. the feasibility that an army that size could be raised in one turn on a consistent basis when they're left with three subpar cities and blockaded ports is bullshit. hannibal never held any cities and just ravaged the countryside so rome still had a fighting chance to recruit.

i swear to god every battle is evenly matched with about 3k soldiers on each side. i kill about 5/6 of their men while only taking 1/6 casualties on average. then the very next turn what do i see? another full stack that wasn't there before. this is fuckin nuts

Ahhh.... come on now. Its mercs!

yes its a B! and yes its not fiar. But come on! 3 Towns!!!!

Dude get a 1full stack, 1/2 stack, and 1/2 stack of crappy units. The full stack fights and takes over cities, the 1/2 stack replenishes lost men, and the 1/2 stack of crappy units come to the cities to garrison them.

Your 1 full stack never stops moving!

Now get on it! And don't take many casualties!

.........

On a related subject.
The only people who "need" the money script are people who play a "Sim City EB" type game.
--That is they stay put where they are and build up their cities. And they expand very rarely.

**Parallel Pain** · 03-09-2008, 08:23

Hey that's me!

Well I go like hit hard. Mmmmm, ok stablize situation for XX years depending on how long it takes. Build up build up.

Then BAM 3~7 new provinces mine!

Ok back to stablizing the situation.

At least that's how I played in Saka Rauka. Whenever I went on the offensive my enemies no matter which faction don't know what hit them.

So I fit that criteria. I stay where I am and build up anywhere between 1 year to 10 years or more (since my victory condition required me to save up money anyway).
And I don't expand often.

Of course when I do the size of my empire grow by lots at the end of my expansion campaign.

**NeoSpartan** · 03-09-2008, 15:34

nononononononononono Parallel you ARE NOT an "EB sim city" gamer.

EB sim city expands very little, or very slowly, or expands to a few areas. Also EB sim city stays longer chilling and building cities. He occasionaly fights, but he uses the $$ script because he doesn't want the AI to spam full stacks at him every turn.
(just read the older threads of .81x when they complained about the Sweboz/Aedui/Arveri spamming with stack after stack. That is where the $$ script came from. I told to attack and take over their enemies land, but that was not their goal so.... they created the $$ scrip to continue their style of play) ($$ script is also used by strict roleplaying guys)

Expanding, holding off to stabilize/build up the new towns, and then expand again is normal play in VH/VH. Thanks in large part to the MIC system.