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    Default Re: Some greek names are wrong ( I think)

    While it's entirely possible there are mistakes, we will indeed be using transliterations of Attic pronunciations and not koine ones. Thrace has a subscript iota - look it up in any classical dictionary. Koine and modern greeks would not pronounce it, but it is pronounced as an iota in classical greek, therefore we will render it as such. By the latter part of the 2nd century BC, it seems as though the verbalization of the subscript had ceased. Classical iota subscripts are sometimes rendered in inscriptions with iotas themselves. Latin loan words like tragoedus and comoedus reflect the pronunciation also in case some additional evidence is required.

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    yes you have some right about the iota
    but the problem is that the game is around 272 BC right?
    This time prevails koine. the romans at this time were using dipthoggs
    like ai,oi instead of ae,oe which are later. The same happens to the greek.
    using attic it would be more likely at the time of 5th Cent. BC.
    comoedus,tragoedus were written like this: ΚΟΜΟΙΔΙΑ--> ΚΟΜΩΔΙΑ, ΤΡΑΓΟΙΔΙΑ-->ΤΡΑΓΩΔΙΑ.
    In some cases ΟΙ becomes Ω but not every Ω becomes ΟΙ.
    I didn't see all the words but e.g. the words ΑΔΗΣ - hades is like that? In the attic should be ΗΑΙΔΕΣ-->ΑΙΔΗΣ-->AΔΗΣ in koine.
    Also to say attic,doric and others the elements are so few that
    we cannot rely on them so accureately to reproduce the dialects.
    There are also professors between universities that they dispute for this reasons. They dispute even for
    latin which their evolution was much later.
    But the attic dialect also has and other letters which they are not used
    what about F and I (as consonant) or Q (yes it is used in classical greek).

    And the last thing to mention for now is that of the grammar and syntax.
    I think that there are also mistakes to mention later.
    Thank you for listening to me.
    Hope my comments will improve the game.

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    We start in 272. We set the game up for then. Koine has not "prevailed" by then. We will continue to use the classical forms. The few professors that dispute it are in the vast minority and I'd advise not to try to start arguing against a vast Erasmian conspiracy theory. In the end, I can assure you with the utmost confidence that we are not changing our decision on that. If there is an individual mistake that we have made, we will be happy to look into it, but understand that we are more than happy to include these 272 pronunciations as we have transliterated them.

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    Well I don't have any intention to see behind
    the conspiracy but you may also know that
    Alexander obliged the greek to be taught to
    anyone within his empire. The need was such that
    he made the greek to be changed to a more
    easy way to learn. The vowels lost most of
    their quantity (literaly), he had put certain stressing marks
    to help the learning of the greek among the conquered
    people,he had "destroyed" letters like H(consonant),I(consonant),Q,F.
    and around 272BC had passed 50 years of this kind of education.

    I don't know if you'd like to do changes.
    I will continue to refer to any "mistakes" which of them
    I think they are.
    Maybe in few days I will have exact phrases or words.
    Hope my comments will improve the game.

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    Let's focus on the individual phrases etc. for now, ok? It is easier to comment and argue on specific individual cases.
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    This is tiring, but is not surprising. For years we have had to deal with one particular group telling us this pronunciation/transliteration is wrong - one group out of the whole world. . You think obviously that all changes that occurred from classical Attic to koine happpened overnight. They did not. Many different changes occurred over about four centuries and since our game starts in 272 BC, before the consensus of modern classical philologists say (just about any of) those changes happened, we are not putting them into it. That is the end of that discussion as far as we are concerned.

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    but i, for one, am having fun seing the EB team puting thier expertise to use... and im learning too!
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