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    Default Re: Some greek names are wrong ( I think)

    1. Attica, the region around Athens.
    2. Doric is spoken in many regions, most prominent is the region of Sparta, but Doric colonies are found in Asia minor, Krete, Sicily and probably elsewhere.
    3. Koine=Common (feminine gender of adjective koinos). Koinon Hellenon is supposed to be transalated like "Greek Commonwealth" or something (koinon is the neuter of the adjective).

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    For anyone willing to learn about pronounciation of Attic Greek you could start by looking up Keravnos' signature: in there is an awesome link...
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    Georgivs Tsililivs Graecvs, as someone who has seen similiar discussions go down on the forum, you really need to consider referencing actual material to back up your statements if you want the EB team to ever take your request seriously. Find some first rate sources to back up your claims about the timetable and distribution of Koine and Attic Greek. While EB isn't free of mistakes you got to remember that the team over the years have had to put up with lets say some extreme nationalist who have made some rather colorful ideas about ancient greek and that have made very similiar claims to what your saying right now. Best of luck in your research.

    p.s. What is up with the format of your post? Makes it hard to read.
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    By the way, would I be correct in assuming some snobbery leading to conventional Attic being the dominant dialect among elites during the time in which Koine was developing, and thus much of EBs period?

    Just wondering - could be an interesting (language) trait if so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
    By the way, would I be correct in assuming some snobbery leading to conventional Attic being the dominant dialect among elites during the time in which Koine was developing, and thus much of EBs period?

    Just wondering - could be an interesting (language) trait if so...
    You would be correct to assume something similar for the next 2000 years or so after EB's timeframe actually; up until less than 40 years ago the official Greek language of the modern Greek state was a simplified form of Attic/Koine, called "katharevusa" ("pure language"), used by scholars, state officials and the Church (the Church still uses it for its official documents). Modern Greek is a mixture of the katharevusa (much vocabulary derives from it) and demotic Greek.
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    Well sorry for being late I was sleeping. It is the difference of the time. Well I have the intention for this thing to be treated with seriousness.
    At this 2 days I can't say so much exactly on the words and the phrases, and I apologise for this, because my job doesn't let me. I'm waiting some of my books which describe the difference between the dialects (slightly difference in pronunciation not so in grammar) and which dialect they speak in every hellenic region.
    I can say that my intention is not to put the EB team in a spear point and stub them. I'm very proud of the job that they do by reproducing ancient greek, as I'm a Greek.
    This thread has not to do with any kind of nationalism and such bad habits.

    I could say that (as being in geographical order) that the dialects spoken at the classical era were: Doric dialect in Sparta (southern peloponnesos),in Epirus,Creta and in the southern part of aegean coast of Asia minor.
    Ionic was the oldest, and was spoken in Athens, a little in Korinthos and mostly at the central part of the aegean coast of Asia Minor then changes to attic in Athenai or Athena later.
    At last Aiolic was the dialect which was spoken in central Greece, Thessalia and in Makedonia and the northern part of the aegean cost of Asia Minor.

    This a summary of the whole story. I'm waiting...

    Because I think that maybe I seem rude (I don't have any intention so) I'll try to give an example which I think is wrong in the grammar.

    Arche Seleukeia ~ ΑΡΧΗ ΣΕΛΕΥΚΕΙΑ Does it seem correct or no?
    Hope my comments will improve the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgivs Tsililivs Graecvs
    Arche Seleukeia ~ ΑΡΧΗ ΣΕΛΕΥΚΕΙΑ Does it seem correct or no?
    It is correct as a formation; now as to whether there is an attested adjective "Σελεύκειος, -α, -ον" (with the meaning of "Seleucid") or not, I cannot really say at the moment, I would let the team reply.
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    I don't understand how any person can logically think that their language hasn't changed over 100+ years, nonetheless 2000+ years! I don't care if you are proud of your land- that is just ridiculous, delusional even. Even France cannot claim anything near that and they have their illustrious French Academy, which indeed tries to enforce consistency and yet the word for computer is... wait for it... 'computer'!! Language is static in no way whatsoever (even if you wish it were). The best one can hope for is a snapshot of a given time and a specific circumstance.
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    blitzkrieg you are ridiculous and pathetic. Read the thread, think (if you can)
    and hold your answer for your own.
    Thank you indeed.
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