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    Well sorry for being late I was sleeping. It is the difference of the time. Well I have the intention for this thing to be treated with seriousness.
    At this 2 days I can't say so much exactly on the words and the phrases, and I apologise for this, because my job doesn't let me. I'm waiting some of my books which describe the difference between the dialects (slightly difference in pronunciation not so in grammar) and which dialect they speak in every hellenic region.
    I can say that my intention is not to put the EB team in a spear point and stub them. I'm very proud of the job that they do by reproducing ancient greek, as I'm a Greek.
    This thread has not to do with any kind of nationalism and such bad habits.

    I could say that (as being in geographical order) that the dialects spoken at the classical era were: Doric dialect in Sparta (southern peloponnesos),in Epirus,Creta and in the southern part of aegean coast of Asia minor.
    Ionic was the oldest, and was spoken in Athens, a little in Korinthos and mostly at the central part of the aegean coast of Asia Minor then changes to attic in Athenai or Athena later.
    At last Aiolic was the dialect which was spoken in central Greece, Thessalia and in Makedonia and the northern part of the aegean cost of Asia Minor.

    This a summary of the whole story. I'm waiting...

    Because I think that maybe I seem rude (I don't have any intention so) I'll try to give an example which I think is wrong in the grammar.

    Arche Seleukeia ~ ΑΡΧΗ ΣΕΛΕΥΚΕΙΑ Does it seem correct or no?
    Hope my comments will improve the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgivs Tsililivs Graecvs
    Arche Seleukeia ~ ΑΡΧΗ ΣΕΛΕΥΚΕΙΑ Does it seem correct or no?
    It is correct as a formation; now as to whether there is an attested adjective "Σελεύκειος, -α, -ον" (with the meaning of "Seleucid") or not, I cannot really say at the moment, I would let the team reply.
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    Arche Seleukeia~ AΡΧΗ ΣΕΛΕΥΚΕΙΑ uses two nominative cases in an order
    unacceptable. The 2nd must be in genitive or changed.
    Also must show that goverments are of the people or the rulers not of the lands.
    Last edited by Georgivs Tsililivs Graecvs; 03-06-2008 at 13:22.
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    It is supposed to be an adjective, not a genitive. Adjectives have to agree in case gender and number with the word they qualify, in this instance ΑΡΧΗ.

    P.S. the accent in ΣΕΛΕΥΚΕΙΑ is supposed to be on the iota. You might be misreading it for "Seleucia", the city, hence the confusion.
    Last edited by Tiberius Nero; 03-06-2008 at 13:26.
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    I'm looking at the dictionary and the adjective is Seleukeios, -a, -on. Indeed both Arche and Seleukeia are both nominative, as is necessary. But we aren't looking at two nominative nouns here; it is a nominative noun and an adjective modifying it which is also in the nominative case. It is fine as it is.

    "Also must show that goverments are of the people or the rulers not of the lands." We will name the factions what we think is the most appropriate name and will not be told what the restrictions or criteria are. We have discussed every faction name very carefully over and over in threads more than three years ago. They weren't just chosen willy-nilly.

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    I think that you have misunderstood me. I don't do any assault to the
    team. I didn't say that you have chosen the names without searching.
    I'm not the wise of the tribe but as the romans said "de omnibvs est dvbitandvm".
    I'd like only to help improving the game.
    I can't do it now because I don't have the list ready and I need few days to do it 'cos' I'm working.
    And to discuss about seleukeia. Koinon Hellenon seems fine to me. It desribes the state and the political situation of them.
    Makedonia is fine describes fairly fine the geographical region written in many marbles and texts.
    Epeirus the same. But both names don't show any characterisation for the people.
    Ptolemaioi has to do more as saying Greeks... I don't know if it is a formal name of a state.
    Arche Seleukeia seems little strange because says about "rule ~ Arche~ΑΡΧΗ"
    which derives from someone (people,ruler etc) and 2nd word which is an adjective describing the kind of rule? whose was the rule?
    Briefly I would say as I've seen through my life that every time words which are showing property,state, goverment we use as 2nd word the reference to the rule.
    examples: (in greek because I don't know how to say it in english)
    1st my city: City of Trikala, ΠΟΛΗ or -ΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΤΡΙΚΑΛΩΝ
    in this city live people ,who has a "ruler", the mayor.
    Now which seems more correct?
    e.g. ΑΡΧΗ ΤΡΙΚΑΛΙΝΗ, ΑΡΧΗ ΤΡΙΚΚΑΙΩΝ or ΑΡΧΗ of the mayor?
    the same can be said with koinon hellenon. "arche hellenike" or "arche hellenon".
    I don't know also if you want names of states or names of the peoples' ethnicities.
    e.g. Aedui,Romani but Koinon Hellenon,Makedonia
    Maybe ancient coins can be resourceful here to prove which fits best or
    titles in the marbles.
    Texts used to be in koine most of them so I don't know if they are reliable.


    Ending this post I'd like to say that I'm here to discuss and only that.
    Not to start any flame wars with stupidities.
    I'm human and so are you and "errare hvmanvm est".

    waiting for replies but I won't reply in any other aspect until I've done the
    list I'm saying a long time now.
    Hope my comments will improve the game.

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    ΑΡΧΗ= power, authority. The Athenian hegemony was refered to as an ΑΡΧΗ in the sense we would translate as "hegemony" or "empire". I actually think I have seen in an ancient source the Seleucid Kingdom being refered to as an ΑΡΧΗ, but no idea where that was now. So Arche Seleucia is fine I guess.
    Wow, got 3 ballons in one fell swoop

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