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    absurd
    People don't realize that she is running because she is Bill Clinton. Which she isn't.

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    Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims

    By Toby Harnden in Washington


    Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

    "I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

    Mrs Clinton has made Northern Ireland key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience, which helped her defeat Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday after she presented herself as being ready to tackle foreign policy crises at 3am.

    "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," she told CNN on Wednesday. But negotiators from the parties that helped broker the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 told The Daily Telegraph that her role was peripheral and that she played no part in the gruelling political talks over the years.

    Lord Trimble shared the Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume, leader of the nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party, in 1998. Conall McDevitt, an SDLP negotiator and aide to Mr Hume during the talks, said: "There would have been no contact with her either in person or on the phone. I was with Hume regularly during calls in the months leading up to the Good Friday Agreement when he was taking calls from the White House and they were invariably coming from the president."
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    Central to Mrs Clinton’s claim of an important Northern Ireland role is a meeting she attended in Belfast in with a group of women from cross-community groups. "I actually went to Northern Ireland more than my husband did," she said in Nashua, New Hampshire on January 6th.

    "I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don’t go to school together, they don’t live together and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there.

    "And I wasn’t sure it was going to be very successful and finally a Catholic woman on one side of the table said, ’You know, every time my husband leaves for work in the morning I worry he won’t come home at night.

    "And then a Protestant woman on the other side said, ’Every time my son tries to go out at night I worry he won’t come home again’. And suddenly instead of seeing each other as caricatures and stereotypes they saw each other as human beings and the slow, hard work of peace-making could move forward."

    There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city’s Ormeau Road.

    The "Belfast Telegraph" reported the next day that the café meeting was crammed with reporters, cameramen and Secret Service agents. Conversation "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" and Mrs Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot, which was duly given to her, for keeping the brew "so nice and hot".

    Among those attending were women from groups representing single parents, relationship counsellors, youth workers and a cultural society. In her 2003 autobiography "Living History", Mrs Clinton wrote about the meeting in some detail but made no claim that it was significant.

    Rather than it being the first time the women had met, Mrs Clinton wrote: "Because they were willing to work across the religious divide, they had found common ground." Mary Fox, the wife of a former IRA prisoner and one of the seven women at the meeting, said she had been there on behalf of the Footprints community centre. "It was quite a political change for the women’s sector after the visit of Hillary Clinton. We would love to see her as president. She spoke to each of us and was very interested in our work. She was lovely."

    Mr McDevitt said: "I’ve always had a theory that these people were already well networked. Maybe they needed a bit of bringing together and she [Mrs Clinton] was an ideal focus point." Once a peace deal was in place, Mrs Clinton supported women politicians and was always available if they visited Washington "to give them a pat on the back, give them moral support", he added.

    "So in a classic woman politicky sort of way I think she was active...She was certainly investing some time, no doubt about it. Whether she was involved on the issue side I think probably not." Some of the people Mrs Clinton met went on to help found the Women’s Coalition, which took part in the Good Friday talks. Lord Trimble said: "The Women’s Coalition will think they were important. Other people beg to differ."

    Steven King, a negotiator with Lord Trimble’s Ulster Unionist Party, argued that Mrs Clinton might even have helped delay the chances of peace. "She was invited along to some pre-arranged meetings but I don’t think she exactly brought anybody together that hadn’t been brought together already," he said. Mrs Clinton was "a cheerleader for the Irish republican side of the argument", he added.

    "She really lost all credibility when on Bill Clinton’s last visit to Northern Ireland [in December 2000] when she hugged and kissed [Sinn Fein leaders] Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness."
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    Responding to inquiries from this newspaper, Hillary Clinton’s campaign issued a statement from Mr Hume. "I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as First Lady," the statement said.

    "I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland. She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process.

    "There is no doubt that the people of Northern Ireland think very positively of Hillary Clinton’s support for our peace process, due to her visits to Northern Ireland and her meetings with so many people. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward."
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    I don't know who to trust...the infallible first female presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, or those actually present in Ireland? Hillary's never lied before, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
    I don't know who to trust...the infallible first female presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, or those actually present in Ireland? Hillary's never lied before, right?
    When you put it that way.... People need to see her for what she is before it's too late.

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    Its interesting that the two people who shared the noble peace prize would differ with each other. But then what's the political stance of each of those claimants?
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    Ease up guys, it is not like she's claiming she invented the internet...
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    But she is claiming to have had relationships with those women!
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    I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
    But she is claiming to have had relationships with those women!
    well, that depends on what the definition of "is" is.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Damn McGruff, take it easy! BTW, Algore also invented pants.


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    Its funny isn't it , when Bill Clinton was in office the complaints were that Hillary was the one doing everything , that she wore the pants and did the work while he just stained dresses , I even read one a while ago (off of one of Gawains great sites)that it was Hillary who personally ordered the attack on the Waco compound .

    So when Bill was in power its all "its hillary doing it all " and when Hillary wants power its all "she didn't do nothing" .

    Bloody hell , this crap election still has months of rubbish to throw out before the final vote , how do you yanks stand it ?
    Are you not thoroughly pissed at all the candidates months before the event finally happens ?



    Its interesting that the two people who shared the noble peace prize would differ with each other.
    Now that is a really funny statement given the context .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregoshi
    Ease up guys, it is not like she's claiming she invented the internet...
    Gah! I was going to say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Bloody hell , this crap election still has months of rubbish to throw out before the final vote , how do you yanks stand it ?
    I stopped watching the news/checking political forums daily. Once a week for politics seems appropriate, although this forum is bit watered down compared to political crossfire, so daily is fine.

    Are you not thoroughly pissed at all the candidates months before the event finally happens ?
    Yup. It makes picking a candidate to vote for more of a challenge, which I suppose is good and bad.



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    It turns out that Hillary is really the cookie monster.
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    She is a monster, and what she consumes are not cookies but the better part of people's souls. KEEP THIS WITCH OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE! Vote for ANYbody but her!
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    Wow. A politician lying. Who would've thought?
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Wow. A politician lying. Who would've thought?
    Ah but in this case , leaving aside my views on the person , is she lying ?

    It should be simple enough to establish
    One question should put it all to rest .
    I wonder if the opening poster would be willing to answer one question that would establish one way or the other the actual claim made by hillary ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Ah but in this case , leaving aside my views on the person , is she lying ?
    Add "people distorting the views and actual comments of a politician" to my list of Wow's.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Desperate housewives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Desperate housewives?
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    But she is claiming to have had relationships with those women!
    But, but, that means she CAN'T be a Clinton, surely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Bloody hell , this crap election still has months of rubbish to throw out before the final vote , how do you yanks stand it ?
    Are you not thoroughly pissed at all the candidates months before the event finally happens ?
    There's a reason only 2/3's register and only seldom do more than 60% of those registered show up at the polls. In other words, a lot of us yanks just opt out. This of course magnifies the polarization effect since the remainder have a higher portion of the "true believer" type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
    There's a reason only 2/3's register and only seldom do more than 60% of those registered show up at the polls. In other words, a lot of us yanks just opt out. This of course magnifies the polarization effect since the remainder have a higher portion of the "true believer" type.
    Sad, but true.

    Mandatory poll attendance. It's what's for dinner.

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    Actually, only primaries are paid for with public money. A caucus is funded by the party itself. Yet another reason for Hillary to hate caucuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    Actually, only primaries are paid for with public money. A caucus is funded by the party itself. Yet another reason for Hillary to hate caucuses.
    My error. Thanks. Although caucus' are not totally cost-free to taxpayers, I'll concede that the costs incurred are no greater than any other "private use" of a public facility (school, library, firehouse, etc), and that the ancillary costs are often recovered.

    So, in future, I'll just sputter on about the Millions of bucks we spend on Primaries, which non-Dems, non-Repubs, non-Greens, etc. are forced to pay for.
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