FE_MINIMAP_LUKUP_f1.bif

[caravel]

I've just finished changing this file. Extracted to .bmp, edited accordingly imported back in and working fine. The only problem is, as far as I can see, two provinces: Corsica and Milan. The palette index of Corsica is 178 and Wessex is 10, the problem is that Paint Shop Pro refuses to just force 178 for Corsica and keeps using 10 because it is the same RGB value and comes earlier in the palette. The same goes for Milan which is using 16 (unused as far as I can tell) instead of 184 because again 16 comes earlier in the palette. For example picking 184 with the eyedropper and then drawing with that colour still gives 16.

Any ideas? Does the gimp or Photoshop have this problem?

[macsen rufus]

Hmmm - there shouldn't be any repeated colours in the palette - I did have a similar problem with Milan and Corsica getting confused on one I did, but I put it down to going through a non-indexed colour mode en route to the final map (was making big border changes so had it in RGB a while so I could use layers to "trace" through from one to another).

I'd suggest opening a virgin file and recheck the colours in the palette, then manually edit the entries in the palette of your new BIF file using BIFReader.

Actually, no, I have the figures to hand

INDEX no., followed by RGB

000  0,128,0            
001  16,120,56           	 
002  32,128,64
003  48,136,64
004  64,152,72
005  80,160,80
006  96,176,88
007  112,192,96
008  128,200,96
009  128,216,104
010  144,232,112 *
011  160,240,120
012  184,0,128
013  200,16,136
014  216,32,144
015  232,48,152 **
016  240,216,88 
017  240,224,88
018  0,240,96
019  24,0,104
020  40,16,112
021  56,24,120
022  72,40,128
023  88,56,136
024  104,72,144
025  120,80,152
026  136,96,160
027  152,112,160
028  168,128,176
029  184,144,184
030  200,160,192
031  216,176,200
032  96,224,16
033  96,232,24
034  112,248,24
035  136,8,32
036  152,24,32
037  168,40,40
038  184,48,40
039  200,64,48
040  232,80,56
041  248,96,64
042  8,112,64
043  24,120,72
044  40,136,80
045  72,152,88
046  88,168,96
047  104,184,104
048  0,0,0
049  16,0,0
050  32,0,0
051  48,0,0
052  64,0,0
053  80,0,0
054  96,0,0
055  112,0,0
056  128,0,0
057  144,0,0
058  160,0,0
059  176,0,0
060  192,0,0
061  208,0,0
062  224,0,0
063  240,0,0
064  48,48,112
065  48,56,120
066  64,64,128
067  80,80,136
068  96,88,144
069  112,104,152
070  128,120,168
071  144,136,176
072  160,152,184
073  176,168,192
074  192,192,200
075  208,208,208
076  224,224,224
077  0,248,232
078  24,16,240
079  56,40,248
080  8,0,32
081  24,16,32
082  40,32,32
083  56,48,32
084  72,64,40
085  88,80,40
086  104,96,40
087  120,112,40
088  136,128,48
089  152,144,48
090  168,160,48
091  184,176,56
092  200,192,56
093  216,208,56
094  232,232,56
095  248,248,64
096  160,128,112
097  176,136,120
098  192,152,128
099  208,168,136
100  224,184,144
101  240,192,152
102  0,208,168
103  16,224,176
104  32,240,184
105  56,0,192
106  72,16,200
107  88,32,208
108  104,48,224
109  120,64,232
110  136,88,240
111  168,104,248
112  0,192,48
113  16,200,48
114  32,216,56
115  48,232,56
116  64,248,64
117  88,8,64
118  104,32,72
119  120,48,72
120  136,64,80
121  152,80,80
122  168,96,88
123  184,112,96
124  200,136,96
125  216,152,104
126  232,168,104
127  248,192,112
128  112,208,56
129  128,216,64
130  144,232,72
131  160,240,80
132  168,0,80
133  184,16,88 
134  200,24,96
135  216,40,104
136  232,48,112
137  248,64,120
138  24,80,136
139  40,80,144
140  56,104,152
141  72,112,160
142  88,128,168 
143  120,144,184
144  224,128,64
145  240,136,64
146  0,152,72
147  0,160,80
148  16,176,88
149  32,192,96
150  48,208,104
151  48,224,112
152  64,240,120
153  88,0,128
154  104,16,136
155  104,32,144
156  120,56,152
157  136,72,160
158  152,88,168
159  168,112,184
160  208,120,104
161  208,128,104 
162  224,144,112
163  240,160,120
164  0,168,128
165  16,184,136
166  32,200,144
167  32,216,144
168  48,232,152
169  64,248,160
170  88,16,168
171  104,32,176
172  120,48,184
173  120,72,184
174  136,88,192
175  152,112,200
176  112,208,104
177  128,216,104
178  144,232,112 *
179  160,240,120
180  168,0,128
181  184,16,136
182  200,24,136
183  216,40,144
184  232,48,152 **
185  248,64,160
186  24,80,168
187  40,88,168
188  56,104,176
189  72,112,184
190  88,128,192
191  120,144,200
192  128,128,104
193  128,136,112
194  144,152,120
195  160,160,120
196  176,176,128
197  192,192,136
198  208,208,144
199  224,224,144
200  240,240,152
201  8,0,160
202  24,16,168
203  40,32,168
204  56,56,176
205  72,72,184
206  88,88,192
207  120,112,200
208  80,176,16
209  80,184,16 
210  96,192,24
211  112,208,32
212  112,216,40
213  128,232,48
214  144,248,56
215  152,0,64
216  168,16,72
217  184,32,80
218  200,48,88
219  200,64,96
220  216,80,104
221  232,96,112
222  232,104,128
223  248,128,136
224  224,136,48
225  240,144,48
226  0,168,56
227  16,184,64
228  48,200,72
229  64,216,80
230  80,232,88
231  104,0,96
232  120,16,112
233  136,40,120
234  152,56,128
235  184,80,136
236  200,96,152
237  216,120,160
238  232,144,176
239  248,168,184
240  208,208,104
241  224,224,112
242  240,240,120
243  8,0,128
244  24,16,136
245  40,40,144
246  56,56,152
247  72,72,160
248  88,88,168
249  104,104,176
250  136,128,192
251  8,248,248
252  8,248,248
253  8,248,248
254  8,248,248
255  216,216,232

And suddenly I'm confused There shouldn't be any repeats - I notice though that 184 is the same as 15 (not 16, but did you start counting from 0?), and 10 and 178 are identical, just as you say.

But I expect a work-around would be re-edit the brushes in BIFReader, even if the colour is the same, this app maintains the index number, so it should work. Now I need to work out why my own BIF palette above has duped colours??? I wonder if you used my palette and this introduced the dupe??

[caravel]

Hmmm - there shouldn't be any repeated colours in the palette - I did have a similar problem with Milan and Corsica getting confused on one I did, but I put it down to going through a non-indexed colour mode en route to the final map (was making big border changes so had it in RGB a while so I could use layers to "trace" through from one to another).

I'd suggest opening a virgin file and recheck the colours in the palette, then manually edit the entries in the palette of your new BIF file using BIFReader.

Actually, no, I have the figures to hand

INDEX no., followed by RGB

000  0,128,0            
001  16,120,56           	 
002  32,128,64
003  48,136,64
004  64,152,72
005  80,160,80
006  96,176,88
007  112,192,96
008  128,200,96
009  128,216,104
010  144,232,112 *
011  160,240,120
012  184,0,128
013  200,16,136
014  216,32,144
015  232,48,152 **
016  240,216,88 
017  240,224,88
018  0,240,96
019  24,0,104
020  40,16,112
021  56,24,120
022  72,40,128
023  88,56,136
024  104,72,144
025  120,80,152
026  136,96,160
027  152,112,160
028  168,128,176
029  184,144,184
030  200,160,192
031  216,176,200
032  96,224,16
033  96,232,24
034  112,248,24
035  136,8,32
036  152,24,32
037  168,40,40
038  184,48,40
039  200,64,48
040  232,80,56
041  248,96,64
042  8,112,64
043  24,120,72
044  40,136,80
045  72,152,88
046  88,168,96
047  104,184,104
048  0,0,0
049  16,0,0
050  32,0,0
051  48,0,0
052  64,0,0
053  80,0,0
054  96,0,0
055  112,0,0
056  128,0,0
057  144,0,0
058  160,0,0
059  176,0,0
060  192,0,0
061  208,0,0
062  224,0,0
063  240,0,0
064  48,48,112
065  48,56,120
066  64,64,128
067  80,80,136
068  96,88,144
069  112,104,152
070  128,120,168
071  144,136,176
072  160,152,184
073  176,168,192
074  192,192,200
075  208,208,208
076  224,224,224
077  0,248,232
078  24,16,240
079  56,40,248
080  8,0,32
081  24,16,32
082  40,32,32
083  56,48,32
084  72,64,40
085  88,80,40
086  104,96,40
087  120,112,40
088  136,128,48
089  152,144,48
090  168,160,48
091  184,176,56
092  200,192,56
093  216,208,56
094  232,232,56
095  248,248,64
096  160,128,112
097  176,136,120
098  192,152,128
099  208,168,136
100  224,184,144
101  240,192,152
102  0,208,168
103  16,224,176
104  32,240,184
105  56,0,192
106  72,16,200
107  88,32,208
108  104,48,224
109  120,64,232
110  136,88,240
111  168,104,248
112  0,192,48
113  16,200,48
114  32,216,56
115  48,232,56
116  64,248,64
117  88,8,64
118  104,32,72
119  120,48,72
120  136,64,80
121  152,80,80
122  168,96,88
123  184,112,96
124  200,136,96
125  216,152,104
126  232,168,104
127  248,192,112
128  112,208,56
129  128,216,64
130  144,232,72
131  160,240,80
132  168,0,80
133  184,16,88 
134  200,24,96
135  216,40,104
136  232,48,112
137  248,64,120
138  24,80,136
139  40,80,144
140  56,104,152
141  72,112,160
142  88,128,168 
143  120,144,184
144  224,128,64
145  240,136,64
146  0,152,72
147  0,160,80
148  16,176,88
149  32,192,96
150  48,208,104
151  48,224,112
152  64,240,120
153  88,0,128
154  104,16,136
155  104,32,144
156  120,56,152
157  136,72,160
158  152,88,168
159  168,112,184
160  208,120,104
161  208,128,104 
162  224,144,112
163  240,160,120
164  0,168,128
165  16,184,136
166  32,200,144
167  32,216,144
168  48,232,152
169  64,248,160
170  88,16,168
171  104,32,176
172  120,48,184
173  120,72,184
174  136,88,192
175  152,112,200
176  112,208,104
177  128,216,104
178  144,232,112 *
179  160,240,120
180  168,0,128
181  184,16,136
182  200,24,136
183  216,40,144
184  232,48,152 **
185  248,64,160
186  24,80,168
187  40,88,168
188  56,104,176
189  72,112,184
190  88,128,192
191  120,144,200
192  128,128,104
193  128,136,112
194  144,152,120
195  160,160,120
196  176,176,128
197  192,192,136
198  208,208,144
199  224,224,144
200  240,240,152
201  8,0,160
202  24,16,168
203  40,32,168
204  56,56,176
205  72,72,184
206  88,88,192
207  120,112,200
208  80,176,16
209  80,184,16 
210  96,192,24
211  112,208,32
212  112,216,40
213  128,232,48
214  144,248,56
215  152,0,64
216  168,16,72
217  184,32,80
218  200,48,88
219  200,64,96
220  216,80,104
221  232,96,112
222  232,104,128
223  248,128,136
224  224,136,48
225  240,144,48
226  0,168,56
227  16,184,64
228  48,200,72
229  64,216,80
230  80,232,88
231  104,0,96
232  120,16,112
233  136,40,120
234  152,56,128
235  184,80,136
236  200,96,152
237  216,120,160
238  232,144,176
239  248,168,184
240  208,208,104
241  224,224,112
242  240,240,120
243  8,0,128
244  24,16,136
245  40,40,144
246  56,56,152
247  72,72,160
248  88,88,168
249  104,104,176
250  136,128,192
251  8,248,248
252  8,248,248
253  8,248,248
254  8,248,248
255  216,216,232

And suddenly I'm confused There shouldn't be any repeats - I notice though that 184 is the same as 15 (not 16, but did you start counting from 0?), and 10 and 178 are identical, just as you say.

But I expect a work-around would be re-edit the brushes in BIFReader, even if the colour is the same, this app maintains the index number, so it should work. Now I need to work out why my own BIF palette above has duped colours??? I wonder if you used my palette and this introduced the dupe??

Sorry I meant 15 and not 16 - my mistake.

I haven't used your palette in the file, only as a reference (and very useful it was too, thanks) the duplicate values exist in the palettes inside the actual BIFs themselves. 009 and 011 are also duplicated RGB values as 177 and 179 respectively. There may be more but I can't see any yet.

Manually colouring in with bif reader is the only option unless I can find another image editor that doesn't have this problem. Thanks for your assistance.



-Edit: Manually colouring in from readbif, though tedious worked. First I had recolour as blank, so that I can see the difference, and then colour in again with the correct index.