Need an English to Latin translation

**Respenus** · 03-13-2008, 17:19

I know that there are members on this forums that are fluent in their Latin, so I'd though to ask here.

I'm in the process of working on something (no kidding) and I would need this saying translated into Latin.

"Peace through Force"

That would be all and I thank you in advance.

**Ibrahim** · 03-13-2008, 17:42

pax coactu is one way of saying that...

or: pax Vi
there may be other ways of saying that.

**zooeyglass** · 03-13-2008, 18:01

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

pax Vi

i woulda said that.

pax vi

or mebbe pax per vim...not as a golden latin phrase, certainly not really strictly correct, but late latin with that lovely lil alliteration....

**abou** · 03-13-2008, 18:31

You don't want to use per in this context as it gives the impression that you are moving through force. Simply using the ablative is a bit confusing due to how vis declines. I would use this: pax via vi. Peace by the way of force.

**zooeyglass** · 03-13-2008, 18:38

Originally Posted by abou

You don't want to use per in this context as it gives the impression that you are moving through force. Simply using the ablative is a bit confusing due to how vis declines. I would use this: pax via vi. Peace by the way of force.

ah, now as i said, i wasn't mean per as if to imply that was correct, just that late latin does use it instead of the ablative. i certainly wouldn't use via as that (although please correct me if i'm wrong) is certainly only a noun in golden latin.....

right?

**abou** · 03-13-2008, 19:14

Yeah, probably could use the accusative. Pacem via vi or something. I don't really study mottoes so I have no idea how they usually treat these things.

Originally Posted by zooeyglass

ah, now as i said, i wasn't mean per as if to imply that was correct, just that late latin does use it instead of the ablative. i certainly wouldn't use via as that (although please correct me if i'm wrong) is certainly only a noun in golden latin.....

right?

Uhm... I'm not sure I follow. Yes, it is a noun and in the ablative form. Force is in the genitive (crap, did I decline that wrong?). So, by the way of force. I'm not entirely sure where the problem is.

Besides, who uses late Latin?

Anyway, I can't remember my declension of vis off the top of my head. I have a feeling it is vis. Pacem via vis.

**Respenus** · 03-13-2008, 19:00

Originally Posted by abou

You don't want to use per in this context as it gives the impression that you are moving through force. Simply using the ablative is a bit confusing due to how vis declines. I would use this: pax via vi. Peace by the way of force.

I would like to thank all, yet the winner is abou! I wanted a three word sentence and now I have it.

**Obelics** · 03-13-2008, 19:03

im not an expert, but i wouldn't use a nominative, just an accusative:
"pacem", since it is a sort of motto.

**HanBarca** · 03-15-2008, 17:57

I think that the basic structure for your phrase is similar to the famous:
"per aspera ad astra" (Through hardships to the stars)

I'm not sure if you have to use "vis" or "robur" for force, but the structure should be:
"per (ablative) ad (accusative)", per vi ad pacem

**Tiberius Nero** · 03-15-2008, 18:15

robur doesn't mean "strength" in the sense of "violence" or "applied strength", it is strength as a resource or quality.

And per takes an accusative following it, so you can either have per+acc. or simple ablative.

**HanBarca** · 03-15-2008, 19:21

*** mmhhh.... "per aspera" is per + ablative, not accusative. ***
as not said, Tiberius is right; it's plural accusative, so the right form is per + accusative

then what about "per vim ad pacem" or "vi ad pacem" ?