Yes it is, and described these days as the sacrament of reconciliation - which for once, is more descriptive of the idea than the old name.Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
I still prefer being shriven though.![]()
Yes it is, and described these days as the sacrament of reconciliation - which for once, is more descriptive of the idea than the old name.Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
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"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
I think I'm drifting hard towards agnosticism for many reasons I don't want to lay out here. I did believe before but it's become harder and harder for me.Originally Posted by Lucius Julius
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"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
I am drifting back towards Roman Catholicism. I still don't believe in a God, but I've decided to fake it until I do.
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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Sounds painful. Do you need to go to the hospital after being shriven?Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
I believe it's performed in a hospital, and that they use a local anesthetic.Originally Posted by Pannonian
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pintenOriginally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Down with dried flowers!
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So how does that square with what Don said? Isn't the participation of the Priest essential in order to administer the sacrament, in which case you can't be forgiven without his blessing?Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
Sorry, I have trouble getting my head around Confession.
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The Roman Catholic faith is a faith of intercessors. You pray THROUGH Saints, you confess THROUGH priests. It is a way to pray and do penance in community with others. It is a big deal in many faiths, but the RC church happens to use it in reconciliation as well.Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Why not? It makes us unique.
"The Catholic Church maintains, however, that there is also a social aspect to sin. Sin not only affects our relationship with God, sin also alienates us from other people and the Church." - www.americancatholic.org
-------After his Resurrection, Jesus told the apostles, “Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained” (John 20:23).
-------The Letter of James says, “Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful” (5:16).
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"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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What exactly happens when you get 'shriven'?
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You don't have to pray through Saints. The only one besides God that I've ever prayed to is the Virgin Mary. Never even prayed to St. George (archery), St. Sebastian (athletes), Sebaldus (my hometown), or Julian the Hospitaller (murderers).Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Wait, did I really say that?
You don't pray TO Saints, you merely pray in community with them TO God.
I updated my previous post with some new stuff that I found.
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"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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Well, yes, true.Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Originally Posted by Quirinus
To shrive is the archaic term for the act of a priest hearing confession and pronouncing absolution.
I'm just an old traditionalist. To me, religion went downhill when the peasantry was allowed to have its own bibles...
Originally Posted by 1066 and All That
"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
If that's such a large beef for you, maybe you should consider ScientologyOriginally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
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We all know you're a nazi, Husar, you're not fooling anyone.Originally Posted by Husar
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Well coming from a more mainstream Protestant grouping, the Evangelicals I know call themselves 'Christians', not by their individual denomination, and do not recongise other denominations as Christian.Originally Posted by Zim
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
And this from a notorious Stalinist. Tsk tsk.Originally Posted by HoreTore
*unfurls Trotskiite banner*
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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"The law is like a spider’s web. The small are caught, and the great tear it up.” - Anacharsis
Do they sing catchy songs about how everyone else is going to hell?Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
They do here, and they are catchy. Doesn't stop me having a profoundly negative opinion of their theology though.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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One, two, three!
United forever in friendship and labour,
Our mighty republics will ever endure.
The great Soviet Union will live through the ages.
The dream of a people their fortress secure.
Yeah, well...Originally Posted by Adrian II
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
"Undestanding Holy Trinity is like putting sea into bottle."
Understanding Christianity is like trying to be god - only god can absolutely understand god. :) I believe faith.
John Thomas Gross - liar who want put on Poles responsibility for impassivity of American Jews during holocaust
Originally Posted by KrooK
Well said. Christianity is faith, a belief.
According to the Bible, God encompasses three distinct personalities that make up the Godhead. All 3 parts are just as much God as each other - each of the 3 personalities is 100% God all by itself, and none of the 3 personalities are any "more God" than the other. And they are also 100% God when combined together, too. Those three personalities are: God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. That is the best way to explain it in a way that humans can be able to somewhat comprehend it. But yes, it doesn't make much sense because humans have a limited, human understanding. God is one, and three, at the same time. Jesus Christ is both God, and the Son of God, at the same time.Originally Posted by TB666
However, this concept being confusing and hard for a human to understand, doesn't mean the OP had misinformation in it. The OP's information is completely in line with what the Bible claims.
This is why in Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has God saying things like "Let us make man in our image". The "us" and "our" is the 3 parts of the Godhead.
In regards to your problems with the statement "He will forgive you and give you eternal life ". Eternal life refers to continuing to exist after one no longer exists in his her her human body. It was never meant to refer to living eternally in a human body. That is simply a personal misinterpretation of what the OP is saying, not misinformation.
I still have real trouble trying to reconcile the Old Testament with the New Testament, and still do agree with the Old Testament much moreso. But I still believe in Jesus' divinity even though I don't agree with all his teachings. And I woulda understood the content of the OP as not being misinformation even if I didn't happen to agree with the information in it. The OP did not misrepresent the information represented in the Bible, so it's not misinformation. One could argue that he or she disagrees with the information in the OP, but the word "misinformation" implies the OP was deliberately posting information that is contrary to the information in the Bible, which is not the case.Originally Posted by Pannonian
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well that might be because you are tryng to reconcile very different things by many different authors that have been altered countless times ... or it could be that as Zuch suggests you havn't heard the word of god .I still have real trouble trying to reconcile the Old Testament with the New Testament
Then again it could be that Zuch hasn't really heard the word of God and is claiming he has so he doesn't have to address the contradictions .
What the heck are you talking about?Originally Posted by Kaidonni
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One post I read that Jesus was the son of god and the other says that he IS god, which is it already?
I believe that question was answered by the consul of Nicea. If you love theology read up on the Nicene creed.Originally Posted by Fahad I
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Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pintenOriginally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Down with dried flowers!
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Both.Originally Posted by Fahad I
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Originally Posted by Husar
Pretty much.Originally Posted by Vladimir
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pintenOriginally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Down with dried flowers!
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What you need here, good Navaros, is a shamrock.Originally Posted by Navaros
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"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
The elephant head was in reference to Ganesh.
The way I had the Trinity explained to me was with reference to geography (courtesy of Sister Priscilla Paradis). The Atlantic Ocean is NOT the Pacific Ocean, yet they ARE the same body of water, no?
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