Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
Hmmm. Well, as far as equal footing, Jesus had the limitations of human physicality. Body, brain, everything. Even Jesus woke up with a boner from time to time. He did, after all, have a penis. And Jesus took a dump in the sand when the need arose. I don't think that the Father was ever restricted with the demands of his G.I. tract.

Benedict, pull the Pope-Mobile over. That curry is on its way out!

So, I only mean to point out that Jesus Christ had all of the physical limitations of any human being. Which is the very reason why he is so relevant. He was God as one of us. God was able to drop a deuce and drain the weasel, to have friends and communicate directly in relationships, etc.

The living will, of the Father, the Holy Spirit, was His soul and guiding force, just as you have your own soul which influences your mind and behavior.

That doesn't make Jesus inferior. It just articulates his nature with greater detail than that offered by the nicean creed.
Ah, I see, you equate Jesus and God the Son completely. I wouldn't dissagree that Jesus was limited but God the Son is not because He does not occupy a human body. Given that a human body is a temporal and physical thing I don't believe God the Son had one before Jesus' birth, nor am I convinced he has one now.




Is God really beyond our experience? If he is, then you don't have a relationship with him.

Measurable? No, God is not measurable. But infinity is a quantification no less. But I don't think quantifying God is even useful. The qualification of God, or rather the detailing of his quality, is what is useful. The question I ask is "What is God made of?" Rather than "How much God is there?" And this is where my point on the differentiating aspects of three presentations of God are important. The Father is the self-awareness. You are self-aware and that is not quantifiable. Are you infinite or finite? That doesn't really matter. What does matter is that what makes up "you" as far as self-aware experience goes is the same as what makes up the Father. This is how we are made in his likeness. Not because the Father has hands and a face, but because he is self-aware and experiential as you and I are. The difference of course is the limitation of perception. Where ours is restricted by the inputs of physical sensors and the interpretation of a physical brain to relay that experience to our self-awareness, His perception is not limited. This does not mean that he is outside of time and space. It means that time and space are not immediately consequential or relevant to him. His desire is a relationship with us. And that connection, that relationship, is the only thing we can experience in our existence that is free of time and space.

Now that is just the Divine Mind. The Father.

The Holy Spirit is an entirely different but equal and connected component.
Hmmm, interesting, I shall have to ponder this bit.