Client rulers

[Yossarian]

I just found out that client rulers actually require vast amounts of upkeep (875 mnai in my game, large unit size) compared to FM's who have zero upkeep. This explains my struggling Hayasdan economy so I've started killing off these client rulers by rushing them into besieging generals. This is a bit of a pain though, so I'm wondering if there are any other ways to get rid of these mnai-guzzling hunks of junk?

I'm open to cheating and console commands if there are any.

[konny]

Like family members, you can't kill them without a little help from "your friends".

[LordCurlyton]

I only use client rulers mid- to late-game. That way you aren't too concerned about the upkeep. And they have an optional fix to allow client rulers to sally. Besides, if you don't make a Type IV you can never make the trainable FM generals since you need a regional MIC 5, and those can be INVALUABLE once you start to balloon. In any case, as long as you focus on making education buildings rather swiftly you can get good client rulers. I'd say greater than 80% of all the client rulers I've ever made turned out to be a good governor in some sense (high influence/management, good retainers, good trader/miner) that more than made up for their cost. And the cost for client rulers/trainable generals is different by which type of general. I believe either the Eastern or Hellenic one is the most expensive, whereas the Celtic Lesser King is a darn good bargain.

[Irishmafia2020]

The first time I used a type 4 government I didn't know what I was doing, and I immediately destroyed it after building it. The spawned general was still there, but he could move a small distance. I am unsure if that was because he had some other trait that increased his mobility or if he lost the "client Ruler" status when I destroyed the government. Either way I was able to use him to fight some spawned rebels, whereas even using the "fix" I can't get my client rulers to sally when they are under siege. I think they make solid governors though, if you leave them there for a lifetime. I have a half dozen client rulers in my current Baktria campaign, at around 240 BC, and i did not even notice the economic drain. Most of those guys have between 7 - 10 management scrolls, and they free up my FM's for military duty. Also, when the rulers die, they are replaced by my chosen college kids within the family who take over and upgrade the respective provincial government. If you can't get your client ruler to sally, I suggest that you keep one nearby unit who can attack from the outside during a siege and the Client ruler and his garrison will reinforce that unit for the actual battle.

[Yossarian]

The first time I used a type 4 government I didn't know what I was doing, and I immediately destroyed it after building it. The spawned general was still there, but he could move a small distance. I am unsure if that was because he had some other trait that increased his mobility or if he lost the "client Ruler" status when I destroyed the government. Either way I was able to use him to fight some spawned rebels, whereas even using the "fix" I can't get my client rulers to sally when they are under siege. I think they make solid governors though, if you leave them there for a lifetime. I have a half dozen client rulers in my current Baktria campaign, at around 240 BC, and i did not even notice the economic drain. Most of those guys have between 7 - 10 management scrolls, and they free up my FM's for military duty. Also, when the rulers die, they are replaced by my chosen college kids within the family who take over and upgrade the respective provincial government. If you can't get your client ruler to sally, I suggest that you keep one nearby unit who can attack from the outside during a siege and the Client ruler and his garrison will reinforce that unit for the actual battle.

That is exactly how I've been killing off three of my client rulers so far. That leaves three, two of which I actually need since they govern large cities that won't be needing any upgrades for a while yet.

I really wish there was an easier way to get rid of them though.

[Bacchus]

I never noticed they cost so much...
I found it handy to have them as a standingforce in the settlement so my legions can move on.
The government is destroyed as soon as it is stable. Just wait for the general to die, actually.
Mistakes in my game-playing are treated as simple management errors offering a new challange to survive them...