A time of change

**Centurion Crastinus** · 03-22-2008, 07:41

I received this icon when I entered the winter of 175 B.C. as the romans. I said something about getting new units and being able to recruit all throughout my provinces. I assumed that it meant the Marian reforms. However I did not receive the ability to build the new barracks to make the new units. However I realized that you can't get the reforms until 172 B.C. So, my question is what did that icon mean and is my game screwed up because of it.

**General Appo** · 03-22-2008, 07:48

Can´t get the Marians before 172 BC? I got them somehwere around 220 BC.
Also, what´s up with people not reading the March if Time thing, it´s not like it´s very long. Just read the damn thing when it pops up and you´ll see that it´s a sort of mini-reform that affects mostly eastern factions. The Persians gets some badass Cataphracts as well as their later Bodyguards, I think the same might happen to Baktria, Hay and maybe some of those factions. The KH get´s Greek Pikemen and the Maks get´s Reformed Heavy Phalanx. Possibly some other changes as well.
The reform occurs when a city with the hidden attribute Italy (not Roma itself) become a Huge City.
Hold on a minute, are you saying that by 176 BC none of your Italian cities (apart from maybe Roma) were a Huge one? I´ve seen that AI get them to Huge by then.

**Centurion Crastinus** · 03-22-2008, 07:52

Thanks for the prompt reply. I would say that half of my cities are huge and the other half are close to being that size. The reason why that they are not all that size is that I prefer to build every building available in a settlement before I upgrade the size of the settlement.

**General Appo** · 03-22-2008, 07:57

Ok, a slight correction on my part. If you want to get the Marians through ordinary measures (you know, get a Marian general that implemets these changes) you have to wait until 172 BC, but if you manage to take 90 provinces before then you can get them earlier.

**Olaf The Great** · 03-22-2008, 08:04

Originally Posted by General Appo

Ok, a slight correction on my part. If you want to get the Marians through ordinary measures (you know, get a Marian general that implemets these changes) you have to wait until 172 BC, but if you manage to take 90 provinces before then you can get them earlier.

The Vanilla Marians or the EB Marians?

**General Appo** · 03-22-2008, 10:39

The EB ones of course. You can get the Vanilla ones (March of Time in EB) any time.

**CaesarAugustus** · 03-22-2008, 22:54

Originally Posted by General Appo

Ok, a slight correction on my part. If you want to get the Marians through ordinary measures (you know, get a Marian general that implemets these changes) you have to wait until 172 BC, but if you manage to take 90 provinces before then you can get them earlier.

What?!? Really?

All this time I could have just gone on a blitz... So theoretically you could get the Marians before the Polybian Reforms?

**LordCurlyton** · 03-22-2008, 23:27

No. You must have the Polybians. And from my experience even conquering 90 still requires you to wait until 172 BC. If you've installed am unofficial mod that messes with the reforms then its perfectly possible to start with the Augustans, should you so desire.