A time of change

[Centurion Crastinus]

I received this icon when I entered the winter of 175 B.C. as the romans. I said something about getting new units and being able to recruit all throughout my provinces. I assumed that it meant the Marian reforms. However I did not receive the ability to build the new barracks to make the new units. However I realized that you can't get the reforms until 172 B.C. So, my question is what did that icon mean and is my game screwed up because of it.

[General Appo]

Can´t get the Marians before 172 BC? I got them somehwere around 220 BC.
Also, what´s up with people not reading the March if Time thing, it´s not like it´s very long. Just read the damn thing when it pops up and you´ll see that it´s a sort of mini-reform that affects mostly eastern factions. The Persians gets some badass Cataphracts as well as their later Bodyguards, I think the same might happen to Baktria, Hay and maybe some of those factions. The KH get´s Greek Pikemen and the Maks get´s Reformed Heavy Phalanx. Possibly some other changes as well.
The reform occurs when a city with the hidden attribute Italy (not Roma itself) become a Huge City.
Hold on a minute, are you saying that by 176 BC none of your Italian cities (apart from maybe Roma) were a Huge one? I´ve seen that AI get them to Huge by then.

[Centurion Crastinus]

Thanks for the prompt reply. I would say that half of my cities are huge and the other half are close to being that size. The reason why that they are not all that size is that I prefer to build every building available in a settlement before I upgrade the size of the settlement.

[General Appo]

Ok, a slight correction on my part. If you want to get the Marians through ordinary measures (you know, get a Marian general that implemets these changes) you have to wait until 172 BC, but if you manage to take 90 provinces before then you can get them earlier.

[Olaf The Great]

Ok, a slight correction on my part. If you want to get the Marians through ordinary measures (you know, get a Marian general that implemets these changes) you have to wait until 172 BC, but if you manage to take 90 provinces before then you can get them earlier.

The Vanilla Marians or the EB Marians?

[General Appo]

The EB ones of course. You can get the Vanilla ones (March of Time in EB) any time.

[Centurion Crastinus]

So, what your saying is that the icon is irrelevent to the Romans.

[Hax]

Yup.

[Centurion Crastinus]

Thanks

[General Appo]

So if you´re really mean, you´ll refuse to make any Italian city a Huge one, thereby stopping your enemies from getting those new better units. Sure you´ll not be able to build omse stuff and you´ll get a hell of a time with the public order, but at least you´ll never have to see a Makedonian Heavy Reformed Phalanx!
There might be a set date when the reforms will trigger anyway, but if it so then I have not heard of it.
Also, I think the March of Time should be added to the reforms in the FAQ, might just cut back on some of these threads.

[CaesarAugustus]

Ok, a slight correction on my part. If you want to get the Marians through ordinary measures (you know, get a Marian general that implemets these changes) you have to wait until 172 BC, but if you manage to take 90 provinces before then you can get them earlier.

What?!? Really?

All this time I could have just gone on a blitz... So theoretically you could get the Marians before the Polybian Reforms?

[LordCurlyton]

No. You must have the Polybians. And from my experience even conquering 90 still requires you to wait until 172 BC. If you've installed am unofficial mod that messes with the reforms then its perfectly possible to start with the Augustans, should you so desire.

[General Appo]

I sure got the Marians before 172 BC.
Are you sure about the Polybians? I don´t know enough to check through the script and everything, but I´d be interested to see some proof that you need the Polybians to get Marians. Of course by the time you have 90 regions you´ll by 99,99% chance already have gotten the Polybians.

[General Appo]

Well, what do ya know, I did manage to look through the script and found that it doesn´t say anywhere that you need the Polybian reforms to get the Marian ones. But still, it should be virtually impossible to take 90 regions and still not get the Polybian reforms.

[Hax]

Or just completely ignore Sicilia and northern Italia.

[LordCurlyton]

Well, what do ya know, I did manage to look through the script and found that it doesn´t say anywhere that you need the Polybian reforms to get the Marian ones. But still, it should be virtually impossible to take 90 regions and still not get the Polybian reforms.

;Unconditional Reforms
monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType seleucid
and I_CompareCounter Romanii_Reform = 1
and I_NumberOfSettlements seleucid > 89

	set_counter Romanii_Reform 2
	set_counter MarianReformsAdvisor 1

        terminate_monitor

end_monitor

Is not I_CompareCounter Romanii_Reform = 1 checking to see if you are at the Polybian Reforms, as Romanii_Reform = 0 would be Camillan?
EDIT: Though it would appear as if the limit on time for when it can appear HAS been removed. My bad.

[d'Arthez]

From my experience in a Romani blitz campaign you do need to have the Polybian reforms before you can get the Marian reforms. However, it is perfectly possible to have the Marians hit in 242 BC. This was also true in 0.81.

LordCurlyton is correct.

[pezhetairoi]

I have had Marians hit in 208BC for me. So far I have to wait for my FL to die before my engineered popularis faction heir can take over. Another 20 years at least. I'm half considering sending the FL on a suicide mission to Kart-Hadast alone.

Darn, no hysteroi pezhetairoi for me, the Makedonians got annihilated at Ipsos by KH the turn before I had the March of Time...

[General Appo]

Hmmm... wonders what happens if you remove the I_CompareCounter Romanii_Reform = 1 and get the Marians before Polybians, and then get the Polybians?
Anyway, in my best Romani campaign I got an Augustus at 218 BC, but since the Augustan reforms can´t actually happen until 125 BC I´m kinda out of luck. I mean, by the time I get those reforms I´ll probably have had like 8 different Augustus or something.

[d'Arthez]

If you remove the counter that says you need to have Polybians before you can hit Marians, you will simply hit Marians. The counter will be set at 2, which makes it impossible then to achieve Polybians (assuming you do not enter other parts of the script).