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    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking
    Bollocks, socialism doesn't equal an authoritarian government. You could have a free trade market with little state influence and still have an authoritarian government. A capitalistic NK? Yes, very possible.
    Authoritorian is necesarily oppressive but it's easy to become just that, call it soft tyranny. It will however always result in a huge intrusive government that sucks the life out of everything. I'll gladly sacrifice some, if not all social-security for a little bit of air. Soft tyrrany is the worst it a way, can't do anything about it because there is never the legitimacy to take up arms, and in the meantime it grows and grows and costs and costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    Bah. Huge welfare state, nationalized companies, state monopolies on several fields, very powerful unions, womens rights, a very limited church/religion, the list goes on.

    In the 73 years since 1935(first lasting labour government), we've had 7 non-socialist governments, for a total of 20 years, with only 3 of those governments actually serving a full term. I'd say it's pretty damn safe to say that we are a socialist country, even if you count newlab-wannabe Stoltenberg as an actual human being. He has, after all, showed at least some signs of sanity recently...
    Ahem.

    Yeah, I agree it is very leant to the left, but the only real socialist parties are The Socialistic Left and further out. DNA isn't fully socialistic.
    Further more, do not forget that we do have private, albeit usually religiously themed, schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    An authoritarian free market government? Doesn't strike me as very sustainable- the two are opposites. A free market requires free people. People have to be able to work and earn income for themselves and then be able to decide for themselves how best to spend their earnings. Authoritarianism conflicts with that because it is about telling people where to go and what to do (not unlike communism). Communism meshes so well with authoritarianism because of this- it's all about controlling people- telling the people where they can work, what they can earn, what they can consume, where they can travel, and so on.
    A free market requires a free market, whether the government has strict opinions on what the people should think and watch on television does not conflict with a free market. The government doesn't bother to maintain it's own TV-stations, it just censors the commercial ones; as the US gov willl do too in extreme cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    A free market requires no governments and no countries .
    Indeed.

    Soft tyrrany is the worst it a way, can't do anything about it because there is never the legitimacy to take up arms, and in the meantime it grows and grows and costs and costs.
    Well if so, I'd suggest to do something else than to take up arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking
    Ahem.

    Yeah, I agree it is very leant to the left, but the only real socialist parties are The Socialistic Left and further out. DNA isn't fully socialistic.
    What? Of course they are! Yes, they do currently have their privatization whores, like Stoltenberg, but that is only the last 10 years. Einar Gerhardsen etc, can't be called anything but socialists. Social democrats are a brand of socialism. And remember that DNA actually joined komintern for a short period

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
    Everyone wants to pretend they're socialists ~,)

    Anyway, Hitler and nationalsocialism was the third way, separate from both capitalism AND socialism, which both were, you know, created and controlled by them evil jews(marx).
    Last edited by HoreTore; 03-24-2008 at 20:52.
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