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[Ironside]

From Wikipedia's entry on Nazi Germany:Economy

Hitler may have allowed political allies to maintain dejure ownership of some of their businesses, but the means of production were very much under state control- which is the definition of socialism.

You're aware that socialism and state control aren't interchangable right? Yes, socialism involves state control, but state control doesn't need to involve socialism.

The definition of socialism also requires that the state is controlled by the proletariat for example.

For starters, you can compare the nationalist/fascist view of what the state compared to the socialist view.

How very suckingly polarising of you to destroy a perfectly fine established idea with such a relative thing such as facts Xiahou

Well, by changing definitions you can prove anything... 1+1=3 is you define it that way.

[Xiahou]

You're aware that socialism and state control aren't interchangable right? Yes, socialism involves state control, but state control doesn't need to involve socialism.

In the strictest, most basic sense, that's exactly what socialism is.

You can talk about different methodologies, variants and so forth, but all socialism hinges on state control of the means of production.

[Ironside]

In the strictest, most basic sense, that's exactly what socialism is.

You can talk about different methodologies, variants and so forth, but all socialism hinges on state control of the means of production.

That makes the non-socialist participation in WW2 quite low as during war economy the state controls the means of production. And as you appearently insist that what kind of state it is doesn't matter...

Can be true for rabid capitalism as well don't worry, lefties got enron, I got hitler

Point is that the scale contains more than capitalists and socialists. Why do you think the classical liberals (aka capitalists) are in the middle on the old left-right scale?

[Fragony]

In the strictest, most basic sense, that's exactly what socialism is.

You can talk about different methodologies, variants and so forth, but all socialism hinges on state control of the means of production.

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sooooooocialist-t-t-t

[HoreTore]

Workers of the world unite! The Pope is socialist!



The revolutionary Pope Benedict XIV!

The vatican economy is completely controlled by the vatican state, there is no private business. And people are not even allowed to own land there! Truly, he a socialist hero! He even dresses in red!

[Fragony]

Well if you are referring to his absolute faith you might just have a point

[CountArach]

@ HoreTore - Truly, God is on our side.

@ Xiahou - Lets just pick out one paragraph of your wikipedia post:

While the strict state intervention into the economy, and the massive rearmament policy, led to full employment during the 1930s, real wages in Germany dropped by roughly 25% between 1933 and 1938. [11] Trade unions were abolished, as well as collective bargaining and the right to strike. [12] The right to quit also disappeared: Labour books were introduced in 1935, and required the consent of the previous employer in order to be hired for another job. [12]

Which part of this says Socialism to you?

[Tribesman]

Which part of this says Socialism to you?

lots of bits .
Trade unions
real wages
collective bargaining
the right to strike.

[Fragony]

Well, by changing definitions you can prove anything... 1+1=3 is you define it that way.

Can be true for rabid capitalism as well don't worry, lefties got enron, I got hitler

[CrossLOPER]

Leonidas was a Nazi, apparently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism