What makes the Epeirotes so fricking great?

**General Appo** · 03-27-2008, 10:15

Howdy.
In my Sweboz campaign I have noticed something very strange. In the area around Pella and Demetrias there are 6 Famous Battle markers, all from Epeirote victorys. 3 against the Maks, 2 against KH and 1 against the Getai.
So my question is, what causes the Epeirotes to win so many great battles? Don´t get me wrong, I love it and is great for role-playing, but there´s got to be something that causes this. I know the Baktrians often get so huge because they HA´s are underpowered in auto-calc, and some claim that the Ptolies get so big because the widespread Galatians they recruit, but what exactly makes the Epeirotes win all these famous battles?

**Moros** · 03-27-2008, 10:36

Myabe Phyrrus had something to do with that?

**konny** · 03-27-2008, 11:28

Those markers can be from one army that got more and more experinced every battle and was so able to defeat even stronger armies every time. The Epeirotes can basicaly recruite the same units as the Maks and so there is no balance issue that might make them stronger than their rivals.

**General Appo** · 03-27-2008, 12:25

I guess that is the most reasonable explanation. The earliest marker came from 244 and the latest 221, so yeah, it could be one army. Which really seems quite historical, as I doubt the Epeirotes would have had 4 or 5 armies in the field, as the Maks always seem to do.

**Moros** · 03-27-2008, 13:46

244-221? Definately not phyrrus then! lol.
Then it probably is an experienced army, with a now probably experienced general.

**Bacchus** · 03-27-2008, 15:53

Lol
I have no markers from them because I destroyed that faction around 266bc....

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 03-27-2008, 15:59

Possibly it was another really highly rated general instead of Pyrrhus. Or chance.

**Ibrahim** · 03-27-2008, 16:07

they useually tell who who won if you leave the mouse pointer on the crossed awords marker on the map...

**General Appo** · 03-27-2008, 20:37

Good idea. Just checked though, and apart from one guy who´d won 2 battles, it´s a different general in every single one. It is a general and not a captain though, but different generals. Must be a good army.
Just an idea, could the elephants from Ambrakia have anything to do with this? All battles have been within at most 3 turns march from Ambrakia, and by 240 the Epeirotes should have enough money to train at least a few Elephants. Don´t know if the elephants are under- or overpowered though, but it´s a theory.

**Xurr** · 03-27-2008, 20:47

Actually I think what is probably happening is a general with just one or 2 units standing next to a allied army gets attacked by a large army. The reinforcements that come from the allied army kick the attacking army's butt and the General with just a few troops gets credit for the victory. This would look like a really small force defeating a very large one and possibly allow the heroic victory thing.