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[Gaiseric]

I agree with Martok and Poor Bloody Infantry.

Most strategy games do have setbacks when world conquest is concerned. It's fun to get big and fight for your survival, but once your too big, you become unstopable. Basically its fun to have a challange not a cake walk. At least mtw2 adds the mongol and timurid invasions. Distance to capital penalty, and religious differances also play a part to increase the late game challange.

It would be nice if rebels were active and related to these penalties. This would seem to add to the challange of maintaining a large empire, but maybe it would just add more unwanted micromanagement. The problem in mtw2 is not so much the lack of challange as it is the scope of world conquest, which can be a very long task. Its made longer for me because I don't use auto-calc for battles. In most of my late games, there are still battles to be won, lands to be conquered. I just don't have the time to do it all.

Lack of time, lack of intrest, lack of challange, and game frustations, are the reasons I have never completed a campaign. They are the same reasons I abandon my campaign, the game, and these forums. I get bored with other games too, and thats why I am back into mtw2 trying to finish a campaign by conquering the world.

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I agree, i prefur to weak and on the verge of destruction, than conquering everything in sight, killing everyone, it does get a little tedious.

[CynicalP]

Thanks for the welcome.

I havent play Rome and I only halfway through my first grand campaign in MTW2 but I played many games of MTW/vikings and shogun and I didn't mind their end game experience that much. Nothing like the tedious end game grind of Civilization where half of hour is spent managing polution/barbarian invasions/tons of city production queues. Civilization is a mirco managers wet dream!

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

Ive seen that in the shops, just looks like a Caesar game to me, just organising cities and samll armies, nothing like the true conquest of M2TW!

[CynicalP]

Civilization is a very addicting game, and very much like the empire building game similiar to total war series except there is no real time component. Howeve,r most folks who are fans of RTS games find the gameplay of Civ little slow and boring. Since I am old fart I was weened on turn based strategy games so I love those types of games.

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I agree with that accusation, however empire building games can be interesting, if it is simular to Caesar, i got addicted to that game, playing the same map for over 7 hours solid

[CynicalP]

LOL, I can't remember if I played Ceasar I or II, But I choose the maps with the military conflicts. I used to wall up the sides of the screen to slow down Hannibals elephants so I could get my armies in place to meet them.
I think I stopped at the final map. I couldn't produce enough luxary areas or something to complete it and I just became bored with the game. Haven't touch another city builder game since.