Hastati to low upkeep?
Why should Rome have dangerous sword solider like the Hastati, and only have to pay 270!
Some factions have to pay 300 for a Town Watch, or some other no good unit.
Roman army of the time where not any cheaper to maintain than another national army, from my understanding. As it consisted of rather wealthy tax payers.
Last edited by Reshey; 03-29-2008 at 00:02.
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Town watch? I thought EB threw these guys out.
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Re: Hastati to low upkeep?
I think the low upkeep (and cost) is meant to represent the citizen-soldier structure of the roman army and the massive number of men that it could mobilize and field. Since the other stats for them are quite low I see no reason to increse costs.
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Is this historical correct? In the early time of the republic, was the citizen-soldier of Rome cheaper to upkeep then those citizen-soldier of Greece? Why?
Could Rome on her own realy mobilize that many in the early republic? My understanding is that the reforms came also because they could not field that many as long as the army was limited to the upper tax classes.
Last edited by Reshey; 03-29-2008 at 00:15.
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Well that came later. Rome had a incredible ability to muster huge amounts of men without completely collapsing, and though I´ll leave the explanation to others, I would say that the upkeep for the Hastai is not to high. Remember though, the Hastati aren´t really meant to deployed for 20 years in the field, that´s the later proffesional post-Marian legionaries, most Camillan and Polybian legions disbanded after just one or at most a couple of seasons, when the need for an army was over. Only in extreme cases did people serve any longer, such as during the Second Punic War, were some people served for over a decade. Later as the republic became larger this didn´t really work anymore, as men were forced to serve for many years in remote locations such as Asia Minor, one of the main reasons the Marians came along in the first place.
Last edited by General Appo; 03-29-2008 at 00:24.
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Re: Hastati to low upkeep?
REALLY!!!!!!!!
Look man Camilian Romani and Polybian Romani are CHEAP AS HELL!
Don't believe me?? Look!
Polybian Principes: $342 Upkeep.
Aedui Gaeroas: $357! Upkeep. --> and these guys are just with pants, cloak, shield and a spear NOTHING ELSE!
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Hastati really aren't that great, 'ya know...
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Re: Hastati to low upkeep?
Argh! I went in and changed all army upkeep to 0,so I never noticed.
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Not to draw too fine a point, but do you know about Roman social law or understand what the Latin term legio actually means?Originally Posted by Reshey
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Re: Hastati to low upkeep?
I'll try to answer it, since I smelled some anger in my topic from you.
legio basically means levy; of any male that wasn't enslaved. From there of course it got broken down into land ownership, wealth ect.
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I agree legio=levy or grouping
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Re: Hastati to low upkeep?
Gaeroas come in a 120 man unit. They'd be cheaper than hastati if they had 80.
Rome and her allies in 225 B.C had a total of 700,000 men eligible to be drafted into the legions. This was why they could retrain new units faster than other nations who only used a small section of their citizenry to fight. I also believe Romans were not paid for their service so the maintenance might go only to food and necessaries. Not loot or pay.
Last edited by Decimus Attius Arbiter; 03-29-2008 at 07:42.
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Indeed, all eligible citizens were expected to serve in the Legions without complaint nor payment apart from soem possible looting. Modern cynicism should not make us doubt this system, and virtually all Romans of all classes were very patriotic and it was very seldom that Rome had difficulties finding men to serve in the Legions. At least until the late Republic.
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Re: Hastati to low upkeep?
Indeed. 357 mnai upkeep divided by 120 times 80 equals 238. Hastati are 270 for 80 men.
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